Warning

 

Close
Confirm Action

Are you sure you wish to do this?

Cancel Confirm
AR15.COM
AR Sponsor
6/6/2008 4:41:01 AM EDT
Hello,

I plan to buy my first AR today and cant decided between two models:  Bushmaster Modular Carbine and Bushmaster Optics Ready Carbine.

I like everything about the modular carbine except the heavy barrel.  In other words, if I get the ORC I will be adding everything that is on the modular carbine--the folding sights, better pistol grip, and a rail (but not necessarily a quad rail).  

I intend to use the gun for plinking and shtf if the time ever comes, thus the interest in weight.  I will be adding a scope (TA33-8 acog) immediately and may add a light or bipod or vertical grip in the future.

So, the question is--will the pound or so from the heavy (fluted) barrel make a big difference compared to the regular barrel, or am I making too big a deal out of it?

Thanks for your help EDIT:  One more question:  If I got an ar with a standard front sight (non-folding), would I be able to use the scope I have with a flat top (a3) rail?
6/6/2008 4:52:13 AM EDT
[#1]
The modular is heavy as your sister.
6/6/2008 5:07:20 AM EDT
[#2]
Flat top(optics ready) would be the way to go.And "Yes"with a fixed front sight you can use a  scope with BUIS in the rear.IMHO.
6/6/2008 5:13:03 AM EDT
[#3]
LMT
Noveske

6/6/2008 5:18:52 AM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
LMT
Noveske

6/6/2008 5:55:31 AM EDT
[#5]
I believe your dealer can special-order the ORC for you with a different barrel. Here is how it's done:

1. Go to this web page, look over the barrels, and see which one you would like (e.g. 16" Superlight Barrel, part# A BBL-16SLA):

Bushmaster Barrel Catalog  http://www.bushmaster.com/products.asp?cat=7

2. See what type of buttstock and handgrip you might like (e.g. ACE Skeleton Stock, part # SKELETON STOCK, or Magpul MIAD, part #MAG050-BLK)

Bushmaster Buttstocks and Pistol Grips  http://www.bushmaster.com/products.asp?cat=13

3. Determine whether or not you want the 2-stage National Match trigger (e.g. part # 8448592-SCGK)

Bushmaster Lower Receiver Parts  http://www.bushmaster.com/products.asp?cat=501

Give the list of preferred barrel, grip, buttstock, match trigger, etc. (whatever you want) and ask your FFL dealer to call it in to Bushmaster. They will give him an adjusted price (crediting him for the substituted parts and charging for the new ones) and do the custom build including factory test firing at no additional cost.

If you don't want to bother with an FFL (and if you have an existing AR-15 lower) you can always contact Harvey Macomber at Bushmaster Customer Support:

Customer Service: [email protected]

Ask him if Bushmaster will sell you an ORC upper receiver assemly with the barrel of your choice, what the cost is, and which barrel, FF tube/rail, FH, etc. you'd like. Both the ORC upper and the Carbon 15 upper come with M4 feed ramps. All the Bushmaster 16" barrels also (now) come with M4 feed ramps. He'll do all the necessary price adjustments needed, quote you a price, delivery time, etc. My experience with Bushmaster Customer Support (both Maine and Arizona) has been EXCELLENT 10/10. This might save you money in the long run since you won't have extra M4 handquards, an unloved barrel and FH, etc. just lying around waiting to be built into another AR one day...

For example, I just special ordered a Carbon 15 M4 type upper with an Ultralight barrel and the Gas Piston Conversion. If you were interested in low weight, you might consider this also, or just go with the GI system if you don't care for GP.

ETA: For some reason the links are not working for me. So, I posted the URLs next to the links in case this happens to you too. I also just noticed this is your "first" AR, so you probably won't have a lower (DOH). If you're interested in weight savings why not check out their Ultraligt Carbine? Or better yet, the Carbon 15 M4 type carbine custom ordered with the Ultralight barrel to replace the M4 barrel? The 1/2" scope risers are just YHM risers you could buy anywhere, or you can order them from Bushmaster (it's as BMAS part)

6/6/2008 7:40:49 AM EDT
[#6]
Thanks for your replies!  Links work fine Greymantle, thanks.

I was originally looking at the carbon 15 guns but decided I wanted aluminum over the polymer.  Call me old fashioned, but I don't trust the plastic.  I also heard stories of cracks and other problems, and I want the gun to be as reliable as possible without getting too heavy.  

I also considered the superlight barrels but again I want to find the "sweet spot" between durability and weight.  I heard that superlight barrels do not like many rounds being fired in a short time, which I may need to do at some point.  

I was interested in gas piston.  Is it really much more reliable than the standard system?
6/6/2008 8:28:53 AM EDT
[#7]
If you are not going for an m4 profile bbl I would go with the pencil bbl. Lighter is better for a carbine. I would not worry about wearing out the bbl. BM makes good ones and if you can afford to shoot out a bbl then you can definately afford a replacement. JMHO
6/6/2008 8:44:56 AM EDT
[#8]
Have you handled either?

Do yourself a favor and handle both before buying. Better yet, handle as many as possible before buying.  Some profiles will just "feel" better to you than others.

I originally thought I wanted an HBar dissipator. After handling one, then pawing an M4, and a Superlite, I went with the Superlite. No regrets at all.

Don't discount the Superlite.  Folks that have them almost always love them.  They can take as much as you want to put them through.  Let's put it this way, the original Stoner design had a lite profile barrel.  Think of all the M16A1's that went through Vietnam with pencil barrels. The barrels held up even on full auto.  As a civilian with semi auto you aren't going to hurt it.

Yes, the heat faster, but they cool faster too.  Shots will tend to string if you do mag dumps and get the barrel really hot. But mine will still hold 3-4MOA even with a really hot barrel.
6/6/2008 8:47:09 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:
LMT
Noveske




You dont know them

The right answer is

FOR SHTF CARBINE

LMT NOVESKE COLT ARE A WAY BETTER PICK

I Bought a bushmaster carbine hbar in 1999

It ran great but was Way to heavy


I would never own a HBAR for a SHTF CARBINE


And if I couldnt buy LMT/Colt/Noveske and just had to have a Bushmaster then I would go SUPERLITE

then I would take it to a gun smith
AR Sponsor