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Posted: 3/4/2008 8:57:15 AM EDT
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If I wanted a short barrel rifle...Is there anyway of getting around the registration? I know that the permanent flash suppresor works but what if I wanted to take of the FSB later? I don't want to have to go to the trouble of cutting it off and re-welding one on. If I go with a 14.5" or less, and by a FH to bring it into 16" territory....Does it HAVE to be permanent? If so can some one give me the reasoning behind getting the SBR. Isn't there still going to be the same amount of metal extending from the HG?Is there any accuracy loss or gain with a shorter barrel? Advantages/Disadvantages please. |
No one "gets around the registration." You will have to pay the $200 tax & complete a Form 1 or Form 4 for legal ownership just like eveyone else who cares not to risk having federal charges brought against them. Get the set up you want the first time so you don't have to worry about removing & reinstalling the FH. |
Sounds like a plan. Is this 200 bucks a on time thing? Also if the FH is long enough to complete 16" is it no longer considered an SBR? |
Once it is registered as a SBR it will always be a NFA registered SBR regardless if you have a 5-inch barrel on there or a 26-inch barrel. You are registereing the receiver at that point and not the barrel or configuration... SBRs are fun... I don't have an AR-15 SBR yet but I have a MINI UZI SBR and that is lots of fun! |
Once you register it as an SBR, it stays an SBR until you have them alter the status back to a Title I firearm. You can install a 16" barrel or barrel/fh combo, but the receiver is still an SBR |
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Well, there is one way to "skirt" the Short Barrel Rifle tax stamp. You can get AR15 lowers that are pistols. I believe they have to come from the factory with that designation, but you should verify that. Either way, the 4473 would have to be marked as "handgun" and not "long gun". They use a round buffer tube, without the slot for a stock. That has to stay that way, adding a stock to it turns it into a short barreled rifle, and is a felony. Rock River Arms sells them, check out their web site. They even say "Pistol Only" on them. You can have a short barrel as long as there is a flash hider or "something" permanetly welded which brings the overall length up to 16 inches. Noveske has 13.7" (I think) barrels and a moderator that makes a cool setup. |
The $200 tax is a one time thing for the particular firearm you are registering, whether it be on a Form 1 or 4, etc. However, it's $200 per NFA item. Once it's an SBR then it's an SBR. You can switch back & forth between short upper or 16> upper as long as it's not a permanent change. If you have a 14.5 with perm FH to bring the length past 16 then it's not an SBR until you remove the FH & then it requires the tax stamp. |
Yep, unfortunately that's the way it is. Anything that can be removed easily by the use of hand tools isn't considered part of the barrel. Something pinned and welded is a good deal more involving, thus okay. It sucks, but those are the (arbitrary) rules. 
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Because Chicks dig the Short Barrel.... What are you trying to use the weapon for? |
I got it right away. The funniest thing I've read all night! Good work! to the OP: I SBR'd for the compact size. I wanted something more than a pistol in close quarters. It's still plenty accurate and will do its job out to 100 yards or more... |
Velocity with 16 or 14.5 is greater than the shorter barrels, the shorter the barrel the louder they are, weight & 16 is the minimum length without a tax stamp regardless of how you get there provided that the FH is perm attached if the barrel is less than 16. A 16 barrel comes out to be slightly greater than 17 with the A2 FH installed. |
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IMO its not worth the 200 to SBR a 14.5" barrel since just a spacer or extended FH will do the trick. Plus even if you live in an SBR friendly state not all CLEO's will sign your paperwork. Ive had/have a few 14.5" with perm attach and its not that big of a deal. Theres a couple places that sell them and also do the weld job so you get a non-NFA item right from the start. If you ever change your mind on something like the FSB you can send it back to them. The smart thing to do is to really decide what you want first... The only way around the NFA is to ignore it and hope you dont get caught. If thats a risk you want to take then so be it. A $50 dollar weld job is a lot better than having your life ruined over a stupid ass law. |
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It doesn't matter if a CLEO will sign or not. My CLEO wouldn't sign so I just started a Trust and registered it that way. Very easy and the stupid CLEO doesn't need to know. In fact, I'm going to be submitting another Form 1 through my Trust in a month or so. It's all perfectly legal and explained in the NFA section. I do agree with you on the 14.5" not being worth it. If you want to get the most out of your money, go for the 10.5"
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| I plan on just shooting it for fun and some home and self defense. I think I have pretty much decided to just stick with a 16" since there are no real benefits that can negate the 200 extra bucks for registration. Is there anything that might convince me otherwise? |
go sbr, the girls will love it... 
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If you want a 10.5" and your CLEO wont sign off then yes setup a trust. He was talking about 14.5" so for a person with no NFA history its just easier to do a pin and weld for a 14.5". I have my toys too but I still wont pay another 200 for my 14.5" rifles- for a 10.5 and 7.5" its well worth the price of admission... 
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