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11/19/2007 4:30:17 PM EDT
Well I finished my first build the other day and took it out to my farm (thank goodness) to sight it in. When I pulled the trigger I popped off 3 rounds. It will only fire auto.
What is USUALLY the culprit when this happens? Im geussing I might have installed the trigger/hammer wrong. Does that sound likely? Thanks
11/19/2007 4:34:37 PM EDT
[#1]
sounds like you may have a bad hammer/trigger group

Who's parts kit did you use?
11/19/2007 4:35:06 PM EDT
[#2]
Hmm. I dunno if I'd be posting that kinda confession here. Maybe light primer strikes? What type of ammo? What type of lower parts kit?

-Foxxz
11/19/2007 4:37:34 PM EDT
[#3]
disconnector????
11/19/2007 4:38:04 PM EDT
[#4]
If the disconnector spring is installed wrong or the disconnector is just fubar, then the weapon will slam fire a burst like that.

Does the FCG pass a function check?

11/19/2007 4:38:11 PM EDT
[#5]
Pics?
11/19/2007 4:38:32 PM EDT
[#6]
Disconnector , is it slam firing ?
11/19/2007 4:39:21 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
sounds like you may have a bad hammer/trigger group

Who's parts kit did you use?


DPMS. I am out of town and I don't have my camera with me. I wish I could post a picture so if you guys could see if I installed something wrong. I am very dissapointed.
11/19/2007 4:40:17 PM EDT
[#8]
Since nobody has said it, this is a bad thing and you shouldn't shoot it until it's fixed (no matter how much fun it is).
11/19/2007 4:40:30 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
Hmm. I dunno if I'd be posting that kinda confession here. Maybe light primer strikes? What type of ammo? What type of lower parts kit?

-Foxxz


It's not like I purposefully did it.

I was using Rem UMC 55g
11/19/2007 4:40:35 PM EDT
[#10]
Teach me...

11/19/2007 4:42:04 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
If the disconnector spring is installed wrong or the disconnector is just fubar, then the weapon will slam fire a burst like that.

Does the FCG pass a function check?



I geuss my noobness is showing. What is the FCG function test?
11/19/2007 4:42:26 PM EDT
[#12]
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11/19/2007 4:43:26 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Hmm. I dunno if I'd be posting that kinda confession here. Maybe light primer strikes? What type of ammo? What type of lower parts kit?

-Foxxz


It's not like I purposefully did it.

I was using Rem UMC 55g


Your right, it wouldn't matter to the feds.
11/19/2007 4:43:41 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
Since nobody has said it, this is a bad thing and you shouldn't shoot it until it's fixed (no matter how much fun it is).


Oh yeah, I know. I only shot a few rounds tinkering between each shot to see if I could fix it. No dice. I bet I installed the disco spring wrong. I'll check it tommorow.
11/19/2007 5:13:41 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:

Quoted:
If the disconnector spring is installed wrong or the disconnector is just fubar, then the weapon will slam fire a burst like that.

Does the FCG pass a function check?



I geuss my noobness is showing. What is the FCG function test?
With the rifle open, cock the hammer.  Now with one thumb on the hammer (holding firmly), pull the trigger and keep it pulled.  The hammer will push against the thumb that's holding it-let it go forward (while STILL holding the trigger back!), then push it back to full cock.  You should hear the disconnector catch it, and as you gently release pressure, the disconnector should HOLD the hammer.  Now slowly release the trigger while still controlling the hammer-you should feel and hear the disconnector slip off the hammer and let it lower to where the trigger catches the sear notch and holds it cocked.  If ANY of these things don't happen as described (or as others will probably amplify or maybe even slightly correct), then there's a problem with the hammer, trigger, disconnector or their springs.

(There are other versions of this that you do with the rifle fully assembled, but the way I describe lets you see what's happening.)
11/19/2007 5:19:40 PM EDT
[#16]
Did you forget the disconnector spring?
11/19/2007 5:24:12 PM EDT
[#17]
Check to see if you put the disconnector spring in upside down.
11/19/2007 5:25:33 PM EDT
[#18]
But..but...but...I thought it was extremely expensive to convert one to FA?!?!?!?!?!?!

Hope you get it fixed before Janet Sterno burns down your compound  and has your dogs shot.
11/19/2007 5:29:38 PM EDT
[#19]
You could also have the disconnecter spring swapped with the bolt catch spring.  The disconnecter spring has one coil that is much larger on one end, then on the other.
11/19/2007 5:38:38 PM EDT
[#20]
Tinman, its only that way ($$$$$$$$$$$) when you are busted.
11/19/2007 5:54:00 PM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
If the disconnector spring is installed wrong or the disconnector is just fubar, then the weapon will slam fire a burst like that.

Does the FCG pass a function check?



I geuss my noobness is showing. What is the FCG function test?
With the rifle open, cock the hammer.  Now with one thumb on the hammer (holding firmly), pull the trigger and keep it pulled.  The hammer will push against the thumb that's holding it-let it go forward (while STILL holding the trigger back!), then push it back to full cock.  You should hear the disconnector catch it, and as you gently release pressure, the disconnector should HOLD the hammer.  Now slowly release the trigger while still controlling the hammer-you should feel and hear the disconnector slip off the hammer and let it lower to where the trigger catches the sear notch and holds it cocked.  If ANY of these things don't happen as described (or as others will probably amplify or maybe even slightly correct), then there's a problem with the hammer, trigger, disconnector or their springs.

(There are other versions of this that you do with the rifle fully assembled, but the way I describe lets you see what's happening.)


Thank you very much!

I just broke it down and when I popped the trigger group out the problem was revealed. Somehow, someway that disconnector spring had become disfigured. It was bent/smushed to the side. I certainly remember it being intact when I assembeld the lower. Not really sure what happened, but I basically had no disco spring. Thanks for all the help guys!
11/19/2007 5:54:37 PM EDT
[#22]
You're having a problem with your FCG.  Do the test as said above.  DO NOT shoot your rifle until you get it figured out.  First off if you were to get caught it could mean trouble for you, even if you didn't mean to.  LE would love to find someone with an illegal MG.  Secondly what is most likely happening; the hammer is following the bcg home and you COULD have a round fire out of battery (the hammer hits the firing pin before the bolt is locked), which would lead to a kaboom.

nm - you got it fixed.
11/19/2007 5:57:27 PM EDT
[#23]
FYI it's ok for him to stop shooting and then come here to seek help.  Nothing wrong with that.  
11/19/2007 5:58:53 PM EDT
[#24]
This is why you should do a function check before firing a new weapon.
11/19/2007 6:09:29 PM EDT
[#25]
Cool!


Glad you got that fixed!  
11/19/2007 6:33:31 PM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:
But..but...but...I thought it was extremely expensive to convert one to FA?!?!?!?!?!?!


It is. Uncontrollable slam-firing is a different animal than real select-fire.
11/19/2007 6:34:36 PM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:

Quoted:
But..but...but...I thought it was extremely expensive to convert one to FA?!?!?!?!?!?!


It is. Uncontrollable slam-firing is a different animal than real select-fire.


I see my facitiousness has been lost on you.
11/19/2007 6:37:12 PM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:
This is why you should do a function check before firing a new weapon.


Lesson learned the hard way. thanks
11/19/2007 6:49:10 PM EDT
[#29]
i had a buddy that was all excited about how he could simply remove the disco spring in case of SHTF/ marshal law... i admit it sounded interesting, but i knew the law was against it, so i looked around.. until i learned about what would happen if the hammer followed before the bolt locked up... he gave up on that idea... might be fun if it accidentally happens, but the silver hook up or KB isn't worth it. glad you got it fixed. enjoy your new build!
11/19/2007 6:53:45 PM EDT
[#30]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
But..but...but...I thought it was extremely expensive to convert one to FA?!?!?!?!?!?!


It is. Uncontrollable slam-firing is a different animal than real select-fire.


I see my facitiousness has been lost on you.


11/19/2007 7:12:53 PM EDT
[#31]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Hmm. I dunno if I'd be posting that kinda confession here. Maybe light primer strikes? What type of ammo? What type of lower parts kit?

-Foxxz


It's not like I purposefully did it.

I was using Rem UMC 55g


Your right, it wouldn't matter to the feds.


like witchcraft
11/19/2007 7:14:43 PM EDT
[#32]
I just ordered a new disco spring..... .50 cent part 5$ shipping



For future reference. Does the wide end of disco spring orient to the bottom?
11/19/2007 7:21:41 PM EDT
[#33]

Quoted:
I just ordered a new disco spring..... .50 cent part 5$ shipping



For future reference. Does the wide end of disco sp

ring orient to the bottom?


yes
11/19/2007 7:54:21 PM EDT
[#34]

Quoted:

Quoted:
This is why you should do a function check before firing a new weapon.


Lesson learned the hard way. thanks


I'm not sure a function test would have discovered this...

I had one go FA on me at the range once. I had a pin walk on me. Fun.
11/20/2007 7:42:19 AM EDT
[#35]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
This is why you should do a function check before firing a new weapon.

Lesson learned the hard way. thanks

I'm not sure a function test would have discovered this...
I had one go FA on me at the range once. I had a pin walk on me. Fun.


The fun part is holding on until the mag empties itself.

First function firing tests should be done with a less-than-full mag for just this reason.
11/20/2007 9:08:42 AM EDT
[#36]

Quoted:
When I pulled the trigger I popped off 3 rounds. It will only fire auto.


Sounds like a good thing to me!!! If it were legal....
11/20/2007 9:18:51 AM EDT
[#37]

Quoted:

Quoted:
When I pulled the trigger I popped off 3 rounds. It will only fire auto.


Sounds like a good thing to me!!!


 
11/20/2007 10:39:38 AM EDT
[#38]

Quoted:
You're having a problem with your FCG.  Do the test as said above.  DO NOT shoot your rifle until you get it figured out.  First off if you were to get caught it could mean trouble for you, even if you didn't mean to.  LE would love to find someone with an illegal MG.  Secondly what is most likely happening; the hammer is following the bcg home and you COULD have a round fire out of battery (the hammer hits the firing pin before the bolt is locked), which would lead to a kaboom.

nm - you got it fixed
.


A rather broad brush don't you think?

Perhaps some desk fed.  I don't know anyone I work with that would go looking for this.  I'm sure there may be some in my dept that would, but I don't know them.  And it's not because they are LE that they are A-holes.....they were A-holes long before they became LE

EDIT:

For those that think this is an easy way to go FA just remember that there is a possibility for a primer strike before the bolt is fully locked.....which could cause a KB



11/20/2007 10:53:04 AM EDT
[#39]

Quoted:

Quoted:
When I pulled the trigger I popped off 3 rounds. It will only fire auto.


Sounds like a good thing to me!!! If it were legal....


It is good until it goes off out of battery.
11/20/2007 10:57:02 AM EDT
[#40]
Do not play games with ideas of screwing with your FCG. Club Fed is not the place for a recreational shooter to end up spending 15 years.

It is likely your disconnector is not engaging the back of the hammer. Missing/wrong spring is the likely culprit. If that's not it, have someone with an AR look at it for you, they can probably spot the problem & fix it for you.
11/20/2007 10:58:29 AM EDT
[#41]
Quoted:
I just ordered a new disco spring..... .50 cent part 5$ shipping


Del-ton has special pricing for small parts........
11/20/2007 11:39:58 AM EDT
[#42]

Quoted:
Disconnector , is it slam firing ?


OF COARSE, I've been there and done that.
11/20/2007 11:57:58 AM EDT
[#43]

Quoted:

Quoted:
You're having a problem with your FCG.  Do the test as said above.  DO NOT shoot your rifle until you get it figured out.  First off if you were to get caught it could mean trouble for you, even if you didn't mean to.  LE would love to find someone with an illegal MG.  Secondly what is most likely happening; the hammer is following the bcg home and you COULD have a round fire out of battery (the hammer hits the firing pin before the bolt is locked), which would lead to a kaboom.

nm - you got it fixed
.


A rather broad brush don't you think?

Perhaps some desk fed.  I don't know anyone I work with that would go looking for this.  I'm sure there may be some in my dept that would, but I don't know them.  And it's not because they are LE that they are A-holes.....they were A-holes long before they became LE

EDIT:

For those that think this is an easy way to go FA just remember that there is a possibility for a primer strike before the bolt is fully locked.....which could cause a KB


I'm not saying that all LE would get up in a tizzy however I would say the general LE would wet their pants if they saw an illegal MG.  

Case in point in this thread the op is getting bent over by the LE/BATFE for loaning out an AR-15 and the person whom he loaned it to changed out the FCG to an M16 FCG, causing the hammer to follow the bcg and slamfire.  Read the thread.  LE test fired the AR and it supposedly caused the weapon to fire FA.  Then the BATFE expert examined the weapon and concluded, in writing, that the weapon WAS NOT an illegal MG however the BATFE will won't drop the case.  .  
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