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7/27/2007 3:30:04 PM EDT
If this has been discussed before I apologize. I have been a believer in 10 rd groups since I started shooting my new AR in Nov.'06. With the recent increase in ammo prices I am wondering if I should start shooting 5 rd groups. Are they relative? I have a BS in Marketing/Economics but am too lazy to do the math. Have any of you dropped to 5 rounds?

Thanks guys
7/27/2007 3:33:03 PM EDT
[#1]
I usually shoot 5 with sometimes shooting 10.  5 is good enough in my opinion.
7/27/2007 3:52:07 PM EDT
[#2]
10 gives you a better idea of the actual accuracy a rifle is capable of. 5 I suppose is much better than 3 but 10 is best in my opinion.

7/27/2007 5:42:07 PM EDT
[#3]
Thanks for the response. I certainly would have thought there would be more opinions.
7/27/2007 5:56:44 PM EDT
[#4]
I shoot 10. But then I'm hard on myself.
7/27/2007 7:06:53 PM EDT
[#5]
Stastically, 10 round groups are far more demonstrative of a load than a smaller number of shots.

This HAS been discussed in The Trouble with 3-Shot Groups thread.  Lots of good reading, including the science behind it all.  Enjoy.
7/27/2007 7:43:31 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
I shoot 10. But then I'm hard on myself.


I think 10 shot groups are taking a bit far to be hard on yourself.  Especially if you are not using a bench rest/vice.  People/humans in general have a hard time doing the exact same thing 10 times in a row.  That applies to a lot of things.

-X
7/27/2007 10:14:12 PM EDT
[#7]
i shoot alot of 1 round groups, if i hit what i aim at i move on to another target.
7/28/2007 7:10:19 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I shoot 10. But then I'm hard on myself.


I think 10 shot groups are taking a bit far to be hard on yourself.  Especially if you are not using a bench rest/vice.  People/humans in general have a hard time doing the exact same thing 10 times in a row.  That applies to a lot of things.

-X


I think it also depends on what you're trying to do. If you are evaluating reloads, different bullet weights, or the potential of your rifle you may shoot in a way that might make it easier to keep groups as small as possible (e.g. 5 shots, discounting any called fliers). But if I'm shooting with a known rifle and load I may shoot up to 30 round groups. Sure my groups will open up, but I'm seeing how well I'm shooting and get a better idea of how precise any given shot may be, not what an ideal shot does.
Is that clear as mud?


Edited to summarize: Sometimes you reveal more about your shooting by doing it the hard way.
7/28/2007 8:34:10 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
Stastically, 10 round groups are far more demonstrative of a load than a smaller number of shots.

This HAS been discussed in The Trouble with 3-Shot Groups thread.  Lots of good reading, including the science behind it all.  Enjoy.


Exactly - that thread is one of the best on ar15.com!


If anyone is trying to seriously evaluate rifle, shooter or ammo, they should be using 10 shot groups (preferably several 10 shot groups).

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