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6/19/2007 7:53:21 PM EDT
Sorry if this is somewhere in easy sight, but I didn't see anything with specifics.

What is the general manufacturing process for AR15 rifles? I mean, how much is hand done? The dimensions have to be so close (to be mil-spec), so how do they do it?

Can computers and guided equipment create everything? How does it work? I want to know!

Teach me, you elder ones.

Regards,
Mark
6/19/2007 8:23:47 PM EDT
[#1]
Virtually all the machine work is done by CNC machines.  You put in the measurements and the machines do all the work.  Most are capable of much greater precision than required by the milspec.

These rifles aren't very complicated.
6/19/2007 8:38:11 PM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
Virtually all the machine work is done by CNC machines.  You put in the measurements and the machines do all the work.  Most are capable of much greater precision than required by the milspec.

These rifles aren't very complicated.


Of course not, but they still need to be precise!

Do they not just feed the dimensions from... something like a CAD?
6/19/2007 8:43:38 PM EDT
[#3]
Yes.  CNC = Computer Numerical Control

6/19/2007 9:13:22 PM EDT
[#4]
I did look up CNC before I replied.

It just sounds like they have to manually do it. Is it really that hard to program some robitic arms, these machines, and throw some other stuff together and make an assembly line?

The more AR's the better!
6/19/2007 9:18:13 PM EDT
[#5]
CNC machines follow a computer program.  Once the program is input, the machine does all the work automatically.  A raw forging goes in the machine and a completely machined receiver comes out a few minutes later.

There is very little manual intervention until the components are assembled.
6/19/2007 10:24:37 PM EDT
[#6]
So, inflated prices by some companies are simply because they are gouging for money, or to make up for this high price machines?

Cheers, and thanks for all of your input.
6/19/2007 11:44:59 PM EDT
[#7]
Not necessarily.  There's more to the price than just the CNC work.  Some companies have much more overhead...some have more QC checks....use different finishes...etc.  Some charge more simply because of the name on the magwell.   Plus, not all lower receivers are built to the same specs (rear shelf height, for instance).  

Regardless, you can buy a perfectly adequate upper or lower receiver for ~$125 or less from a variety of manufacturers.
6/20/2007 3:33:24 AM EDT
[#8]
they covered this 3-6 months ago on "GI Factory"? Was it Discovery or the Military Channel? Maybe there's a youtube vid you can search for.  Pretty interesting!
6/20/2007 6:05:48 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
So, inflated prices by some companies are simply because they are gouging for money, or to make up for this high price machines?

Cheers, and thanks for all of your input.



Most forged lowers run near the same price point. Complete rifles vary quite a bit, this is driven by quality of the LPK, BCG, barrels, QC on assembled unit, and company overhead. This is before you get market factors involved, if demand outstrips supply the price for a specific brand or model will increase.




6/23/2007 1:07:14 PM EDT
[#10]
GI Factory episode on the M16 is here

military.discovery.com/fansites/gifactory/videogallery/videogallery.html

ETA: not the whole episode, but about 1/3 of it as I remember
6/23/2007 1:14:01 PM EDT
[#11]
There is a little more to the process than just typing incommand aand the machine doing it automatically.

The program is drawn in a CAD type program, and tooling has to be selcted.  then they have to make jigs/vises to hold the assemblies.  Once they insert the part in the Jig, they have to program the CNC machine to locate the 0,0,0 point.  then the machine can do its programmed task.  

This may have to be done three or four times, most machines cannot do multiple processes in one program, sometime you have to turn the part over or 90 degrees etc.  so this means multiple jig and setups....

Basically you are paying for all everyone above said, plus machine operators, tooling that gets used up in the process, and the time that it takes.  

But yeah most of it is automated....
6/23/2007 1:31:04 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
Virtually all the machine work is done by CNC machines.  You put in the measurements and the machines do all the work.  Most are capable of much greater precision than required by the milspec.

These rifles aren't very complicated.


Depends on the company.  I think Colt broaches the magwell and has hard fixtures to do a lot of the work instead of machine centers.
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