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Posted: 4/23/2007 7:23:31 AM EDT
| I have the choice to get either a Bushmaster AR-15 M4 a3 without the LE markings on it or one with LE markings on it for $100 more. Which would you choose and why? |
IMO, don't buy a current production AR15 for investment purposes. |
Yea my purchase isnt stickly for an investment, but If getting the LE marked version may become a little more valuable then the standard, I would like to get that one. Thats why im asking before I make the purchase.. Here are the tweo im looking at LE marked: Item # RCWA3F-16M4-DCH Mfg Bushmaster Model E2S A3 M4 SOPMOD "DSC Exclusive" Action: Semi-Automatic Stock: 6-Position Telescoping Buttstock,Blk Pistol Grp Receiver: Forward Assist Brass Deflector, LE/Govt Marked Capacity: 30+1 # of Mags: 1 Safety: Manual Safety Sights: A3 Sights Barrel Length: 16" Chrome-Lined M4 Profile BBL Overall Length: 32.5" Weight: 6.7 lbs Muzzlebreak: Birdcage Flash Suppressor Add'l Features 1: A3 Removeable Carry Handle, 3 Long Rail Covers Add'l Features 2: 4-Rail Free Floating Hand Guard, Bayonet Lug Packaging: Black Hard Case ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Or... Item # BCWA3F-16M4 Mfg Bushmaster Model E2S A3 M4 Type Carbine Action: Semi-Automatic Stock: 6-Position Telescoping Buttstock Receiver: Forward Assist Brass Deflector Capacity: 30+1 # of Mags: 1 Safety: Manual Safety Sights: Open Sights Barrel Length: 16" Chrome-Lined M4 Profile BBL Overall Length: 32.5" Weight: 6.7 lbs Muzzlebreak: Flash Suppressor Add'l Features 1: A3 Removeable Carry Handle, Bayonet Lug, Add'l Features 2: 1" Black Sling, Black Thermaplastic Pistol Grip Packaging: Black Hard Case -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The first one is $1000 + tax (on sale) MSRP 1295.00 the second is $840+ tax (not on sale) MSRP 1230.00 |
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lol no no no. I just want to make the right choice. Im going to order one up today. I am now leaning towards the non LE marked... I dont know much about AR's Can someone go through the specs above and tell me which is worth it for the price? I dont think they are configured the same.. This is my last question, 
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The difference is the floated rail , if your going to want to mount a light or grip get the rail |
So the LE model is probably is worth it right? Ok, you guys are also saying the LE markings are ugly. Can someone show me a side by side picture or the difference? Wouldnt it make sense to get the LE model for $1000 with he rail rather then spending $840 and adding a rail later on for $150? I mean you wouldnt disregard the LE just because it has LE on it right? Are the LE markings that bad? |
The LEO gun will be lighter If I had the choice at the same price I would take the LEO gun , just for fun. For $100 more I'll take the cheaper rifle. |
www.galleryofguns.com Go to gun locator, then type in the specs "bushmaster ar-15, .223" etc .etc. The two models in question are RCWA3F-16M4-DCH and BCWA3F-16M4 I cut and pasted the specs of both rifles above, did you see? |
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For the price considering the specs and markings and price which would you buy? LE marked: Item # RCWA3F-16M4-DCH Mfg Bushmaster Model E2S A3 M4 SOPMOD "DSC Exclusive" Action: Semi-Automatic Stock: 6-Position Telescoping Buttstock,Blk Pistol Grp Receiver: Forward Assist Brass Deflector, LE/Govt Marked Capacity: 30+1 # of Mags: 1 Safety: Manual Safety Sights: A3 Sights Barrel Length: 16" Chrome-Lined M4 Profile BBL Overall Length: 32.5" Weight: 6.7 lbs Muzzlebreak: Birdcage Flash Suppressor Add'l Features 1: A3 Removeable Carry Handle, 3 Long Rail Covers Add'l Features 2: 4-Rail Free Floating Hand Guard, Bayonet Lug Packaging: Black Hard Case ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Or... Item # BCWA3F-16M4 Mfg Bushmaster Model E2S A3 M4 Type Carbine Action: Semi-Automatic Stock: 6-Position Telescoping Buttstock Receiver: Forward Assist Brass Deflector Capacity: 30+1 # of Mags: 1 Safety: Manual Safety Sights: Open Sights Barrel Length: 16" Chrome-Lined M4 Profile BBL Overall Length: 32.5" Weight: 6.7 lbs Muzzlebreak: Flash Suppressor Add'l Features 1: A3 Removeable Carry Handle, Bayonet Lug, Add'l Features 2: 1" Black Sling, Black Thermaplastic Pistol Grip Packaging: Black Hard Case -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The first one is $1000 + tax (on sale) MSRP 1295.00 the second is $840+ tax (not on sale) MSRP 1230.00 |
What kind of asshole wants to invest in something that represents a grossly unconstitutional law, in the unlikely event that they can turn a profit if our country ever passed another such law infringing upon a basic right? I guarantee if you buy it, you'll find yourself secretly hoping for another ban, just like all those assholes on gunbroker. |
| My personal opinion: I don't like the markings. I prefer a "clean" looking receiver, but more than that I don't want to have my "Gov't/LEO/Military Only" marked AR15 questioned or confiscated by a LEO that doesn't understand the law. The same reason I personally don't use a selector switch that will move to the F/A position on a semi-only FAL rifle. Not worth the possible headache to me. |
Quote" Yea my purchase isnt stickly for an investment" If im in the market for a AR for personal use and am researching what would be all around best bet for my money , what is wrong wioth that? Im not hoping for anything. Sorry if you took it the wrong way. I hear what your saying but I am not in anyway supporting any BAN. Lets just stop at that. Please. Dont get mad at me for what might happen. I have as much control over any BAN as the next guy and trust me I am not for it.. |
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It just sounds like you would no sooner have a problem with a nazi symbol, or "Hilary 2008" engraved on the side of your receiver... the "For Law Enforcement Use Only" is a sick representation of what this country has been slowly turning into : a police state. Do you really want a reminder of what kind of screwed up legislation we had for 10 years? I wouldn't risk it either - if you ever have to USE that thing, the DA will run up and down your ass for having "For LE Use Only" on the side, trying to make it look like you thought you were a commando or something. There are plenty of rare firearms to invest in. Having 'For LE Only' is rare, in much the same way that having an AR used in a mass shooting is rare. It's not something you want your hands to be on. |
So you're ok with, "I hate our constitution" ? |
He is fucking with you, dasanii If there are 2 side by side exactly alike in every way except the markings, I would take the blank one. The marked one's are a holdover practice from the national AWB. Makers have continued it for a variety of reasons. Just whip out the change to get a plain jane A3 and you will be glad you did. |
This is the kind of thing that deters people from posting on this forum. If someone wants an LE marked lower for perceived CDI factor, so be it. Just like some people have to have a pony or a snake on their rifle. That said, although I don't associate with any of those "a**holes" on Gunbroker or any other auction, the only reason people get away with charging extra for anything is because some people are willing to pay for it. As much as it sucks for those of us who won't, that's the ugly reality of a free-market economy. Hooray for those folks who make their living selling guns. Yes, I happen to have two LE marked guns. No, I didn't pay extra for them. And yes, the one with the pony did happen to increase in value overnight. Rest assured, you won't see either one on Gunbroker. |
Pardon me? I'm a LEO & we don't run around checking the side of magwells to see if "LE/MILITARY USE ONLY" is stamped on the side of an AR owners rifle who does not fit either catagory. Actually, we've never had a suspect who has even used an AR in the commission of a crime where it would even matter. Although I'm not sure why a non-leo would want to have this stamp on his rifle, it's not illegal & the OP can buy what he wants. I don't sell my rifles so I'm not concerned with its markings to determine value. Mine are used for work/training & nothing else. They get banged up & continue to function so who cares. No offense, but if you think this is a police state, then you quite possibly are more of a threat to society than a possible AWB. We have one of these types in my city who constantly posts on the local paper's web-site & yells this crap at us as we drive by. Down with the police state, cops are workers of the anti-christ, etc. He is a sick man. Your replies ring familiar with the crap we put up with from this metnally ill subject. Sorry for the thread jack, but I couldn't resist. |
| It's silly to think that a company would actually think they could get someone to pay anything (let alone $100) for a LEO-marked receiver. I have an LMT LEO-marked lower and 2 non-marked LMT lowers. I paid the same amount for all 3. I would not have gotten the LEO-marked lower had they had non-marked ones in stock. There are plenty of LEO's out there that have no clue about firearms laws and would still think it is illegal to have because of that marking. I'd rather not go through the hassle of dealing with that if I can avoid it. |
He did not say this is a police state, he said that this country has been slowly turning into a police state. I know what he meant ... only police with LEO marked ARs will run around and enforce McCarthy's and Pelosi's gun laws. He's not a threat to society. He's true American and supporter of Bill of Rights. |
I would get the one without the LE markings. Sure, it looks cool, but I would worry that some law enforcement person who didn't have a full understanding of firearms laws, would mistakenly confiscate it from me. Then I'd go through a hassle getting it back. And after being thrown into a property room somewhere, how do I know I'll get it back in the same condition? |
I would agree with you, Richard, but he did come on pretty strong by suggesting it would make you an asshole if you chose to buy a rifle with LE markings. To each his own. But the fact that you have the option of buying one if you want one, proves our's isn't a police state. |
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