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Posted: 4/22/2007 8:31:26 PM EDT
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Hi, I searched around and didn't find any comparisons on the two triggers. Does anyone have any personal experience why they like one over the other. Any first hand experience would be greatly appreciated. thanks, chris |
Yep! it's discontinued. it looked good at first and then it sucked bad! My little friend here will prove it to you: Link to Video |
How does the Accuracy Speaks function? Is it a light trigger pull with a short reset like the Timney and CMC? I was thinking about buying a Timney but with all these bad reviews; i'm having second thoughts now. |
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AS is a nice single stage trigger with a proven track record and no set crews or other adjustments that can work out of adjustment under recoil. You may have to adjust it for safety engagement and disconnector engagement though. Its not difficult. I did it with no problems. They will drop right in on some lowers and on others you will have to fit it in one or both of the areas mentioned. |
I have one in my Bushy lower. I used a stock disconnector, and file a bit for the safety to engage, but it breaks like glass at 4.25 lb. |
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I've got a "1st gen" CMC single stage and it has been 100% reliable over the last 2500 rounds. It was purchased used so there's no telling how many actual rounds it's sent down the pipe. The redesigned CMC triggers have supposedly cured the problems some customers reported having...and they're $20+ cheaper to boot. IMO, the CMC is fine trigger. |
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I have never bought one of these custom triggers but I have a question if anyone knows. Does something like this guys work here on ar15 http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=125&t=344868 Does this compare at all to custom triggers or is there a noticable difference? I guess Flame away but it's a serious question as I have never bought one but I just mailed mine off to the guy in CO and I will see when I get them back. |
no idea. no idea. the reported problem on the 1st gen. CMC was hammer follow/doubling IIRC. MY SEWAG would be a redesign of the sear/hammer contact geometry. |
That kid handled rapid fire very well. I taught college kids to shoot who wouldn't have held up like that. - BG |
I don't see how, as it is a simple installation. Install trigger, insert trigger pins, tighten down the set screws and you are good to go. Unless I am missing something that is not noted in the install instructions. |
I know it's simple but nevertheless; people fuck it up. Denny was telling me about a guy who bought a Timney from him. The guy called and complained that it was doubling up. Denny had the guy ship him his lower and behold; the set screws wern't fasened properly and the trigger was loose. Denny fixed it up and sent it back to the guy and he's been happy ever since. Denny also said he has Timney's in several of his rigs and they've been flawless for thousands of rounds. |
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I'm running RRA double, AS single and stock trigger groups. RRA no problems. AS - took a while to get it going. Some stoning of the disconnector and switching of springs. Definitely my fault as I got the trigger used and without instructions and tried to fit it without knowing what I was doing. Finally went with heavy stock springs as lighter springs would cause the same kind of disconnector not releasing the hammer problems as described with the Timneys. The problems began while shooting various .22LR uppers but not caused by fouling. Something about the way the .22 units function seemed to initiate the problem. Got to the point where we had to push the trigger forward to get the hammer to reset. Working fine with the stock springs. Stock trigger groups - no problems but creepy pulls. |
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Timney did redesign the disconnector hook on the hammer. They spent a good amount of time on it and appears to have solved the problem with the first run of units. This is complete deja vu as the CMC single stage triggers had doubling problems when they first came out. The Timney issue was confusing at first because, as Denny correctly stated, not locking the set screws in place could allow the whole trigger to move slightly and result in a double, just like the disconnector dropping the hammer. Some folks can find a way to not follow almost any instructions correctly. A true gift... Timney is definitely not out of the AR trigger business. They have replaced triggers that had problems (at last count I heard it was under 30 units) and have started shipping Gen II triggers. We have had stock for a few weeks now, as have other dealers. Timney is a long time, family owned business run by some very nice people. They have always stood by their products and there is no reason to believe they will do anything differently this time. |
I have a two stage from when they first came out. I talked to the guy at shot show who assembles the triggers, told him what I wanted for pull weight. It was a few months before I got my trigger but it was exactly what I asked for and has been 100% thus far. (only about 800 rounds out of that rifle thus far) On the other hand my friend who got a curved single stage shortly after I got mine, put it in his 10.3" shorty and has not had a problem in 2k+ rounds. I hope the latest version of their triggers are as good. |
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I recently bought my second Gen II McCorimck since the first one not only yielded a great trigger pull, but has been completely reliable with thousands of rounds of military ammo in my DPMS .308cal. The newest trigger is just as impressive. When ordering my recent trigger direct I asked if they had been having any problems with the Gen II's. I was told since introduction in Jan '06 no Gen II has ever been complained about or returned due to doubling or lack of reliability. I bought a Gen I four years ago that had a problem, but they promptly fixed it and I've never had another problem with it. It sounds like the improvements in the Gen II's resulted in completely reliable triggers. My triggers all have such excellent, crisp pulls, if I were the man with the unacceptable trigger pull, I would call those folks and let them work out the problem. Any one I know who's delt with them on AR or 1911 parts seems to agree with me, great products and great customer service. According to their brochure the company is over 20 years old and McCormick must still own and run it since I saw him working in their booth at the last Shot Show. By the way, Ultrastealth, when you say your McCormick is the worst of any trigger you've ever tried, Do you mean including stock, standard base line triggers that have 8 to 10 pound pulls...that move 3 or 4 times before they finally release the hammer? I know a good many people with McCormicks. I've shot all my buddies triggers and they are all real nice. Makes me think you are experiencing some sort of anamoly. Makes me wonder, they warn against snapping the trigger when it's not installed in the rifle. I asked about that at the Shot Show and they explained that it can damage the sear tip. |
Good Info, thanks again IPSC_GUY SIERRA II ALPHA |
I'm sorry to repeat the same question that has been asked several times above, but I REALLY need to know how to discern the 2nd generation CMC triggers. I know a guy selling a new, in the bag unit for $190. Not the best deal, I know, but there's always something tempting about a purchase you can immediately grab as opposed to sending away for it. I keep meaning to call CMC, but the only time I seem to remember having to do it is at night or over the weekend. If nobody knows the answer, I promise to call this week and post the info. Also, for the longest time, nobody had the CMC units in stock so it was difficult to figure out what was a good sale price. I see several ads on the EE with prices around $180 give or take a few dollars. A quick Google search showed that "Cheaper Than Dirt" listed them for $30-$40 less. What's a good deal right now and who has them in stock? Thanks guys! |
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