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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Colt Vs. CMMG (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 4/2/2007 2:06:55 AM EDT
| Alright, I am having a dilemna. I have wanted a Colt LE6920 for a while now, but got fed up with backorders and the massive price inflation that I generally see. I got with my FFL and he helped me shop around and I settled on a CMMG 16" M4, Complete with free float quad rail handguards and flip front sight, and my dealer gave me a substantial discount on these items. However, I have recently found a Colt that I can acquire for a reasonable price, but the CMMG with all of its upgrades still costs less that the standard Colt. I just want to ask those in the know, which purchase should i go through with: CMMG with upgrade? Or, the more expensive factory new Colt that I have wanted for a while now? |
| Colt will always have the resale value and is one of the best AR's on the planet. That said, I have a "6920" clone using a Rock River lower, CMT upper, CMMG 16 inch M-4 barrel, LMT bolt and carrier and MIL-SPEC LMT butt stock. I pretty much have everything the 6920 has with out the prancing pony on the lower. Cmmg is probably one of the best AR makers out there and will serve you well. |
Is a mid-Length Gas System better than the standard M4 Gas system? |
It is slightly more reliable with its lower pressure at the gas port, reducing the over-function and extraction issues of the short carbine gas system while going easier on the gun. I understand this is a bigger deal on the 16" carbine barrels due to increased dwell time. Also, you can run a bayonet on a 16" mid-length and, IMO, the mid-length looks better since you don't have so much barrel sticking out of the handguard. You end up with more real estate for mounting stuff on the handguard, too. Regardless, there's not anything actually "wrong" with a carbine length system. |
The sight radius is longer on the mid as well. |
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themadlbb, CMMG is still a fairly new company, if you upgrade your membership you can search back over the past 6 months. there have been some complaints about CMMG's customer service and some problems reported with their rifles. IIRC, wasn't CMMG the one that voided their warranty if you shot "Wolf" ammo? In that same time period the only Colt problem's reported on here have been cosmetic. If your dealer can get an AR in your hands immediately with all the options you want, there is no reason you shouldn't go with the CMMG. Have you gone to CMMG's website and checked the prices? what type of rail/sights/etc is your dealer hooking you up with? i am very wary of dealers "discounts" and if you post exact pricing we could definitely tell you if you are getting a good deal. If you REALLY want an LE6920 and you are anything like me, it will bother you that you still don't have the 6920 you wanted and you will end up with both. |
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I have recently taken delivery of a CMMG mid-length and it is simply perfect in every respect. Absolutely nothing but praise for them and their products. Fit and finish is flawless and after sending roughly 400 rounds down range so far (not a significant test, I realize), not a hicup. |
Alright, the deal for the CMMG is: 16" M4 YHM Lite free float handguards YHM Front flip sight Total Price: $1147 Colt: 16" M4 Total Price: $1350 Please tell me which is the better deal, (although it seems that CMMG is in the lead in terms of support right now!) |
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As previously stated, if you've always wanted a Colt, then get it. It will always bother you that you didn't get what you always wanted. Colt is the standard by which all others are measured. There is nothing wrong with CMMG, RRA or a Bushy. If you're like anyone else here, you're going to want a second or even a third AR. Get one of the other brands then. |
How is it "better"? |
It's not. Perpetuation of a retarded myth. You know, the myth where shirtless vikings hammer forge the bolt out of reliability metals and use their own blood to coat the chambers for better extraction. |
That post inspired me to start collecting all the great ARFCOM quotes and compile them into 1 location which I'll reveal after I've completed my search. SO FAR... ============= Originally Posted By Hemi-Cuda regarding the COLT AR15: "You know, the myth where shirtless vikings hammer forge the bolt out of reliability metals and use their own blood to coat the chambers for better extraction." Quoted: "The best thing Kurt Cobain ever released was the safety." Originally Posted By Charging_Handle of Kentucky: "I know the Mini-14 is no match rifle, but me and a shooting buddy were busting eggs all day long at ranges of around 200 yards. This was with inexpensive Wal-Mart bought Simmons scopes and Federal American Eagle ammo." Quoted: "I can see it now..."AR15.com, a gathering spot for moody loners with assault rifles,those rejected by match.com, and paranoid survivalists." Original by Phoebus mod by TheMocoMan: Mon: Build or Buy? & Free-Float vs. Non-FF Tues: Billet vs. Forged vs. Cast & 16" vs. 14.5/7" Wed: CL vs. Non-CL & 1:7 or 1:9 Twist Thurs: M4 feedramps! woot! Fri: Mil-spec vs. Commercial Tube |
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I have found no reason at all to spend the extra cash that Colt asks. Well, I guess it depends on why you're buying the gun. Are you a collector, do you want to show it off and tell everyone you come in contact with that it's EXACTLY what they use in Iraq - or are you just buying it for the rifle that it is? |
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Alright guys, i went to the gun dealer today and picked up the CMMG. I really wanted a Colt, but as it turns out (from my research, anyway) the CMMG is put under the same tests for quality control AND they are much cheaper. The fact that they have a lifetime warranty doesnt hurt either. I will try to post pics and a range report soon. |
If you do not appreciate the difference in a factory Colt LE rifle and the CMMG, you should get the CMMG. edit: sorry, themadlbb. I did not notice you had picked your rifle. Seriously - they make very nice AR15s and you will be happy with it I am sure. Those guys will see to it. congratulations!!  |
Yes search back for the two people out of hundreds that had an issue. Then search back for the thousands that can't get Colt to even answer the phone. Go CMMG!!!!!111111eleven\\\\\\////// |
>>>>> I have a COLT M4 Marked Carbine from Gander Mtn.....  I have a BUSHY M4 Carbine from Cabela's.....  I have a CMMG M4 w/ MedCon from Sportsman's Warehouse (ordered)....  The Colt was just as good as the Bushy and CMMG....after it came back from US Anodizing, and had a CMMG 14.7"barrel installed..... DON'T DRINK THE KOOL-AIDE 
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I doubt you speak from experience. I do not have enough time with CMMG products to know if they are inferior, but I do know they are not superior. Except for availability of certain configurations. |
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I recently bought a CMMG, great rifle and great customer service. I was like a woman with all the questions I asked and John kept on answering them. I had a few ammo related problems inside of the first 500 rounds but I have since switched and the gun is performing flawlessly. I believe you will be very happy with the rifle. |
I'm honored 
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a round got lodged in the chamber as it failed to feed. Please let me know if this is something that will go away with a few more firings or if this is a real problem. I thought this was normal during the "breaking in" period and now yall have got me scared! |
Dude, you have no idea what my Bushmaster went through, before it turned into the unjammable rifle. Check your ammo, check your mags and you'll be okay. |
The ammo i was using was monarch brass cased softpoint. My mags were the brand new factory mags sent by CMMG. As i said, this occured while i was dumping a mag after i had already been shooting for a while, so is this normal for the first few firings of a new rifle? I could swear i had heard of rifles needing to be broken in before they work to their fullest, is this what i am experiencing? |
Most likely that was your problem. Did you properly lube it? Or just took it straight to the range? |
Yeh, I just took it straight to the range. I haven't dealt with a factory new rifle before and this didnt cross my mind until a few minutes ago. i will try to put together an updated range report after a proper cleaning when i get the chance. |
Yeah, improper lubrication was probably the cause of your malfunction. Let us know how it goes. |
buddy ive had various ar15 these days, by far the quality on cmmg is greater, do u ever own any cmmg's? im mean i own them all colt,bushy,gse,cmmg, even knights. |
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I have seen and used several CMMG products, and the newer ones are nice. They may in many respects be the equal of Colt, but finish and configuration (mid-lengths are nice) excepted they are not the better of a Colt. I can say without hesitation that CMMG has excellent customer service. I cannot speak to Colts customer service, others have experienced trouble with it but being unconcerned with marks in my anodizing, I have yet to need their assitance. ETA: Sorry to be harsh in my first post to you, I tend to get aggravated in this sort of thread. I mean no offense. |
Not quite exactly the same. Do I need to re-post CMMG's letter that assorted dimensions on their product are proprietary? Given their reputation, I'm sure CMMG is capable of making a perfectly good rifle. Coming from me, that's being really freakin' generous, but it's also most likely true. But to say an M4gery from CMMG is "the same thing" as one from Colt is, strictly speaking, not accurate. Just because something is overpriced doesn't mean that it's no different than the other products. |
As a Life long Colt lover. I say go with CMMG. Its sad how in the last 10years or so Colt has been mistreating the people who made them what they are. There customors. CMMG products that I have used inpressed me with there quality and versatilty. They have excelent customer service. They have everything Colt used to have Inclueding me as a customer.
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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Colt Vs. CMMG (Page 1 of 2)
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