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Posted: 4/25/2006 10:43:40 PM EDT
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If these barrels are so much better than standard cut rifling, why aren't they standard issue now? Don't think this guy will selling very many. polygon barrels |
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This company are making and selling AR polygon rifled barrels also. www.noveskerifleworks.com/ |
Incorrect. I keep saying this and people just never listen. Novekse PacNor polgonal rifling is NOTHING like the HK polygonal barrels. HK barrels are the shape of a polygon that has no lands or grooves. The shpae turns to turn the bullet. PacNor/Noveske has a traditional land and groove profile where the lands and grooves are polgonal shaped instead of shaped like a square more or less. NOT THE SAME THING! Tha said I do not think he will sell those fast. Why? .223 chamber, no chrome lining, unknown steel, etc. plus they are $400 and that kind fo jack gets you a nice custom barrel from a reputable barrel maker. |
Since there are no official terms for the two types of barrel rifling they will always be grouped together. I agree about the technical difference between the two manufacturers, I used to have a HK 94 carbine and a HK P7M8 which I bought in '89 and used for 12 years. If I have a choice between that noted HK AR barrel for sale and the Noveske, I'll go with Noveske. I'm going to try the Noveske barrel for my next build project. |
I like how the guy selling them says the PAYPAL is the safest method of payment, except when they cancel your account for selling gun parts! How can PAYPAL be safer? They sure as hell are not going to stick up for the buyer on a gun part transaction. Now a Postal Money Order creates the issue of interstatemail fraud, much more of a deterrent to fraud.  |
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Correct on the "Noveske" (actually it's Pac Nor's) rifling, it's not a true polygonal like Hk, or in this case, Lothar Walther uses. Personally I would classify it along with the 5R type of rifling. Lothar Walther makes excellent blanks and if they were available in the US I'd get barrels made from them in a heartbeat. I believe these were stainless steel barrels. I remember them at the time but didn't get one fast enough and they were gone. mach6 got some lothar walther based barrels made for a special DMR/SPR type rifle a year or so ago based on a discussion on this site. I suggested he should take orders for overruns  . Lothar walther polygonal barrel in the new "supergrade" stainless alloy would be the holy grail of AR barrels IMHO (well, maybe with the ultracem coating). Unfortunately you can't even get the blanks in the US AFAIK.The US mil doesn't use polygonal rifling because they haven't used polygonal rifling. The europeans were more involved with hammer forging barrels and the polygonal rifling design, the US companies didn't seem to want to put $$ into hammer forging, and the mil didn't spec it. IMHO one of the reasons that Colt purchased Diemaco was to get access to their hammer forged barrels (and then the US wouldn't let them import them  )
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Gamma762- Lothar Walther barrels ARE available here. They have a shop in Cumming, GA. LW Polygonal |
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Ok, I'm confused. If Lothar Walther barrels use true HK type polygonal rifling then why do they list the number of grooves? Does anyone have a picture of these barrels (from the muzzle)? It's too bad that they only seem to offer 1/12 on the polygonal barrels. So what company offers true HK type polygonal rifling using cold hammer forged blanks? Anybody? |
Only Glock and HK use that kind of barrel that I know of and noone uses it in ARs that I know of. |
what are you talking about, the marine m40 uses a schiedner poly barrel.
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Damnit!!!! <pulls out hair> Did you even bother to READ THE THREAD!!??!?!? He is discussing barrels with a polygonal profile inside. You are discussing tradition land and groove barrels with a differnt angle on the land and groove!!!! Polygonal on inside = hammer forged barrel. PLEASE RE READ THE THREAD. Schneider is like PacNor/Noveske or 5R where its a TRADITIONAL LAND AND GROOVE and not the shape of a polygon. It refers to the shape of the lands and grooves on one and the shape of the bore on the other. NOT THE SAME THING. |
Dude, you forgot the head slamming against the wall icon... |
DevL, are you saying the Lothar Walther blanks are not true polygonal bores? I got the impression from this thread that they are. It doesn't matter to me who is making them for AR's, If I can find a polygonal blank (in 1/7 stainless) then I can have someone turn it for me. |
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I honestly do not know, sorry. But I dont think they are GLock HK style. Quotes like this make me think its like PacNor with lands and grooves. "Lothar-Walther Custom German Rifle Barrel Polished Polygonal Button Rifling" The rifling in an HK or Glock style is not button rifled. It is made with the barrel as part of the process of making the hammer forged barrel. No need to button rifle because there is already rifling in the barrel. Also look here: LW POLY BARREL BLANK ORDER PAGE Note these are polygonal blanks you can buy and they detail discuss the LANDS AND GOOVES both number and size. Now the guy in the ad says the rifle barrel he has DOES NOT have traditional lands and grooves. Is he telling the truth? Or is he saying they are not right angle lands and grooves but lands and grooves none the less? He says its like the PSG1 barrel. I have never taken notice of a PSG1 barrel. I have only seen 2 in my whole life. |
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