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Posted: 11/19/2005 10:46:02 AM EDT
| Anyone see this model on Atlantic Firearms. I would love to shoot an AR in 7.62. OK give opinions. |
| I think that this in an excellent weapon. Its a much better option than a standard 7.62x39 AR though it does use some non-standard parts, including lower and upper receivers. KAC made a few SR47 which was the inspiration for the AR47. The KAC version was availible with a variant of the M4QD suppressor and can accept any of the SOPMOD accessories. I belive 8 were made and 6 were supplied to SOCOM for field testing, but was never adopted as there was no requirement for such a weapon. If you are going to be able to harvest battlefield pickup ammo, then you are likely to obtain a weapon. Also, the accuracy and range of the M4 is wasted when chambered in 7.62x39 with its rainbow like trajectory. Not to mention, ammo that you find in a cave isn't exacly match grade. Its a cool gun for those who like this particular cartridge and the AR platform. It completely eliminates the problem of unrelaible or unavailible magazines for stadard 7.62 M43 AR's. If you want a 7.62x39 AR, I think this would be the best option. |
-100 No way. In this country during A SHTF senario I want the weapon that has easy to get parts/mags/ammo. |
I agree 100 percent. If it was an invasion type thing and for some logical reason the govt actually recognized/semi supplied citizen organized militias for defense of the country. Guess what? That 7.62x39 chambered Ar or Ak is not gonna do much good when our military uses 5.56 not to mention magazines, parts and scores of other things that are same as the govt. In a total chaos scenario, parts are still readily available for the Ar platform versus an Ak from civilian suppliers at local gun shops. That and I have yet to understand the whole Ak is better than Ar debate, you keep an Ar clean, really just semi clean, they run like a top. I'm not an ignorant Russian peasant that was conscripted, having a gun that actually requires care is not a problem. I have nothing against Ak's but definitely prefer Ar's. |
It all depends. Being an AR15 site naturally the AR will be favored. As for the AR47? In my opinion a poor choice to either an AK47 OR an AR15. It's a novelty... Having more access to more AR parts and ammo is a moot point. In a SHTF situation ammunition and spare parts should have been stored LONG before the situation arises, and just because the military has the same ammo as your AR15, there's no gurantee you can get to any of it. You are more likely to get ammo from those who oppose you and you take out. In a civil war situation perhaps the AR15 would be a better choice in the long run, but in any other case anything goes. |
Donovan007007 is just a nutjob kid that think's he's heard that AK47s are more reliable than AR15s because he saw a select few movies way too many times... |
F*** yourself, AK lover! I kid. For the record, there was a guy here who posted his pimped out AR47, eotech, rail, drum magazine, etc. He and others had nothing bad to say about it. But I think I remember another thread where someone was saying their bolt sheared a lug. If you've got the cash and you want a toy, I'd say go for it. |
As a toy I think its pretty cool, but I love my AR's for what they are, and I love my AK's for what they are. But I keep them seperate.  Also I have heard that in 76239 AR's the bolts have breakage probs at a lower round count than 556 ARs. Has anyone else concluded that? (If it validates it any more, it was Campy who said it) 
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"This is the AK47, the prefered weapon of your enemy, it makes a distinctive sound when fired"
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And for shtf, wouldn't a 5.56 ak be best? plentiful ammo+reliability? |
Ive already heard it eleventybillion times, Ive already made up my mind what Im going to use, and so has everyone else.
To be honest, at this point in the history of the development of both rifles, it's probably a coin toss. Take a Krebs Custom KTR AK with thumb safety and top rail for optics, perhaps add a bolt hold open www.geocities.com/akcatch/ and you will have a rifle that is not wanting for anything. Take an AR with a LW/POF piston upper and you make a reliable weapon even more so. |
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Can somebody point me to a thread that doesn't end up in a pissing contest or retarded name calling, cuz I can't seem to find one. You get five guys arguing in the corner about who's going to be Mr. Black and nobody wants to back down because they don't know each other. Some other guy on some other job is Mr. Purple. |
You are both wrong as far as I know. The AK "pops" the way it does because of it's design, i.e. the way the gas escapes from the gas tube etc. An AR sounds pretty much the same when you fire different rounds out of it- just different levels of noise, not distinctly different types of sounds and sound levels. What was it I said about watching too many movies? Terd- you've got to admit- there's a lot more "movie knowledge" in here than actual firearms knowledge. Donovan- you can grab a rusty AK that still works. I'll take my AR that has no rust on it. Most ARs don't ever see rust anyway. I know what your point is, but it's not really valid. Besides, you started or helped start to divert the thread into an AR versus AK thread. |
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Even a good AK has problems matching a run-of-the-mill AR in terms of accuracy. The big lead AKs have over ARs is that their clearances are so large that they can apparently work while submerged in swamp mud and/or while clogged with bread dough, or any other goop. They are not designed to be accurate, they're designed for reliable volume fire. ARs on the other hand are designed for reliable and ACCURATE fire. The whole employment philosophy of each rifle (and thus their significantly different designs) is so totally different that you have to examine the scenario before you can say "I need this gun and nothing else will do." Invasion by some force using 7.62X39mm ammunition is one reason to stick with the AK. I'm still trying to figure another one. In any other disaster or breakdown situation, I'll stick with something I can depend on one-shot hits with. Maybe that's an AR, maybe it's my Garand, or maybe my Winchester 94... |
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OK.......OK.........OK When I wrote this post
I meant it to be the AR47 version, but if you wanna talk a little............. I didnt mean to ruin a perfectly good thread about SHTF and which is better......  but honestly, in the most worst situation that can ever be had in a SHTF situation.............an AK would be choice. I'm not talking about all you guy's precious little gem safe queens but the balls-out more reliable firearm. I own 4 AR's and almost 2 AK's (1 1/2 actually ), and to compliment the AR's I have 36 mags with 6,000K rds and 17 mags and 2,000k rds for the AK.(I know, I need more) I have the utmost respect for the AR but I would trust a AK for being the most rialiable out of the two. |
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In a lot of training videos and documentary series they say what about the M16/AR15's............ "KEEP YOUR RIFLE CLEAN, THIS IS MOST IMPORTANT, YOU DO NOT WANT YOUR RIFLE TO FAIL WHEN YOU NEED IT THE MOST!" When I run out of ammo for my AK's...............I will use my M1A SOCOM until it expires it ammo...........and then it will be the AR (of course I will have to break it out of its vacuum-pack seal to make sure it hasnt gotten any sand in it )
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I may tend to disagree a little with that statement. Sure, there are posts everyday about that kind of stuff. But there are many more knowledgeable posts that share great information. It just seems as if the dumb posts stand out a little more because of their dumbness. I feel like there can be something learned or taught in almost any thread. No matter how many times a question has been asked before, no matter how many wivestales or rumors or hearsay a question involves, valuable information can be gained if the right people respond. Think of it as mentoring. When threads devolve into a pissing contest or "yo momma" jokes, nothing can be passed along. This was the case the other day with a thread about Wilson Tactical. Somebody asked about their products and I think it was Stickman who replied that Wilson was a pack of posers. The thread starter mistakenly thought he was being called a poser and the name calling and challenges began. I made some sort of witty comment about reading comprehension in an effort to mentor this guy and when I came back to check on it, it was gone. I assume it was locked due to the childish shit going on in the thread (Stickman was not part of the childish stuff, it was the thread starter who couldn't read and someone defending Stickman). It just suck is all, I mean even the dumbest question can gleam valuable facts and information from the wealth of information we collectively posses (us smart guys anyway). It's nothing really personal against you JosephR, so please don't take it that way. It's more of a frustration with attitudes on here in general. I too get tired of seeing the same question 4 times a day that can be answered with a simple search or sometimes even looking on the first page of a category. I mean sometimes literally three topics down from a thread "How is CMMG?" is another thread "Is CMMG any good?". But I try to excercise patience and help when I can. I remember many moons ago when I was a new guy with guns (I guess when I was about 12, I'm 33 now.). I'm glad someone had the patience to answer all my dumb questions. [/rant mode] |
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I agree with you 100% Terd. With that said... When the hurricane first hit NOLA a dozen or so threads popped up regarding different aspects of the AR and defending yourself. Some were regarding stockpiling of ammo, some were intended to bring up discussions about looting and where the fine line was between looting and surviving, etc. They all turned into arguments about being armed to the tooth and killing as many bad guys as possible. Many of the threads turned into AK versus AR threads and one important point that was brought up was that you might be better off with an AR as opposed to an AK because to an LEO, the civilian with the AK would look more like a threat than the guy with the AR, everything else aside. |
Oppurtunities like the ones you mention are the perfect time to teach and dispell rumors, wivestales, and movie facts. Sure, a lot won't listen, but some will and that's where we win. The more well informed, responsible, and smart gun owners we have just make our community that much better. |
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Sorry to get back on topic...... but to answer the orig posters questions. The atlantic gun is made on the reciever by Michaels Machines. Anything called an Ar-47 is patented by him. FOr teh sytem to work mods have to be done to your upper. see for details. www.ar47.com/mod1.html he can do them and he promises no feeding problems. I Bought his lower and 7.62 upper from EE. I had him do the mods. Let me just say that i wasted my money. I get FTF pretty much evey shot. I shoot wolf HP ammo. i thought the HP was to blaim so i bought a ton of FMJ. They feed even wrose. This gun is interesting to look at but it is not worth the money. I am going to be dealing with michales machines a ton soon i think to make him get this gun to work. It is going to be a major headache. I just wish i had bought a few more AKs insteed. you have any questions feel free to IM me. |
Sorry to hear that, I remember a couple years ago when people had them when they are just out, folks loved 'em. |
I just wish i had bought a few more AKs insteed. you have any questions feel free to IM me.| yeah i was all excited about it. Seemed like a great idea combination. To be fair i have not given micheals machines a chance to fix it yet but i have little hopes and it is going to cost money becouse each time he mails me back the upper i am going to have to do FFL. This has made me think twice about getting a 9mm conversion. i do not like tweaking my guns just to get them to work right. |
Why do you have to use an FFL for the UPPER? That can be mailed direct, as can the lower if you are sending the gun directly to the manufacturer for repair. No need to do a 4473 for that. |
This was the response I hoped to get Jimmy. Sorry guys for starting another AK vs AR war. Anyway I do not think I will be picking up one of these at all seeing the trouble you had. I could just buy another AR or AK. Really I do not see why we war about which rifle we would choose in the SHTF scenario. Personaly I would be the one idiot carrying both weapons with me. One slung on my back and one in my hands. If not that then one or the other would definatly be in the car or close by to whatever I am using as shelter. Pick which rifle you like the most . I am not mad at your choice. At least your armed. Just think , there are actually people in the USA that do not own a single gun to defend themselves from a zombie invasion WHEN it happens 
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