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7/23/2005 3:28:46 AM EDT
My dealer got a LEO marked Colt 6920 in a couple of days ago for a customer.  He got it from Bill Hicks who had special ordered it from Colt.  When they were checking it out, they discovered it had been built and shipped with a full auto bolt carrier .  Others who have purchased this same model may want to check theirs to see if they have been put in the same position
7/23/2005 3:33:24 AM EDT
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My dealer got a LEO marked Colt 6920 in a couple of days ago for a customer.  He got it from Bill Hicks who had special ordered it from Colt.  When they were checking it out, they discovered it had been built and shipped with a full auto bolt carrier .  Others who have purchased this same model may want to check theirs to see if they have been put in the same position




welcome to last month.

Almost all the COLTs have this carrier, its nothing to worry about. ATF doesnt really say one way or the other, the carrier by itself can not make a gun go FA so someone would be hardpressed to get a conviction.
7/23/2005 3:34:46 AM EDT
[#2]
This appears to be the configuration they are shipping them in these days. Virtually everyone I am aware of who has a late-model 6920 has full auto bolt carrier.

Colt is PC? Never, I say

If Colt doesn't worry, then we shouldn't either.

Brewer
7/23/2005 3:43:37 AM EDT
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Colt is PC? Never, I say



Wrong.  Colt has PC'd their civilian line of rifles near to death, even before it was mandated by the '94 AWB.

The M16 carrier is not a big deal.  It has been and continues to be legal.  The ATF "strongly suggests" that you avoid the use of any full auto rifle components, but there is no law or ruling that states that it is illegal.
7/23/2005 3:53:59 AM EDT
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Others who have purchased this same model may want to check theirs to see if they have been put in the same position



The position have having a better bolt carrier with more mass?

That's a good position to be in.

7/23/2005 4:21:11 AM EDT
[#5]
this letter from the ATF to Colt, posted on another board, found by CJan_NH, and offered again here, seems to clarify (I think)





ETA But your concern for your fellow AR entusiast is appreciated just the same, Blackmore

Just noticed the date on the letter, which seems to correspond to the issue of M16 carriers in the LE Colts. They began showing up in March or April this year, IIRC
7/23/2005 5:25:34 AM EDT
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Tagged
7/23/2005 5:29:52 AM EDT
[#7]
The ATF was the one that forced Colt to modify the carrier in the first place (to prevent conversion to auto) Colt responded with several changes with the half moon non protected firing pin version as the one that pacified the ATF. So now they're going back to the full auto carrier. Hmmm. Very interesting.
7/23/2005 5:31:18 AM EDT
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My dealer got a LEO marked Colt 6920 in a couple of days ago for a customer.  He got it from Bill Hicks who had special ordered it from Colt.  When they were checking it out, they discovered it had been built and shipped with a full auto bolt carrier .  Others who have purchased this same model may want to check theirs to see if they have been put in the same position




welcome to last month.

Almost all the COLTs have this carrier, its nothing to worry about. ATF doesnt really say one way or the other, the carrier by itself can not make a gun go FA so someone would be hardpressed to get a conviction.

welcome to last month
7/23/2005 6:16:14 AM EDT
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The ATF was the one that forced Colt to modify the carrier in the first place (to prevent conversion to auto) Colt responded with several changes with the half moon non protected firing pin version as the one that pacified the ATF. So now they're going back to the full auto carrier. Hmmm. Very interesting.



It is odd, ATF made Colt's use the goofy off set pivot pin.  But when others started making them they were allowed to use standard pivot pin dimensions.  So after awhile Colt's stopped making them offset.
7/23/2005 6:26:31 AM EDT
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My dealer got a LEO marked Colt 6920 in a couple of days ago for a customer.  He got it from Bill Hicks who had special ordered it from Colt.  When they were checking it out, they discovered it had been built and shipped with a full auto bolt carrier .  Others who have purchased this same model may want to check theirs to see if they have been put in the same position



Anyone with a full auto bolt carrier should send it me with a check for $129.95 and I will replace it with a non-full auto bolt carrier.  IM for address.
7/23/2005 6:57:53 AM EDT
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My dealer got a LEO marked Colt 6920 in a couple of days ago for a customer.  He got it from Bill Hicks who had special ordered it from Colt.  When they were checking it out, they discovered it had been built and shipped with a full auto bolt carrier .  Others who have purchased this same model may want to check theirs to see if they have been put in the same position



Please make sure to tell that dealer and his customer that this is NOTHING to be panicked about!!!!
7/23/2005 7:05:23 AM EDT
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My dealer got a LEO marked Colt 6920  When they were checking it out, they discovered it had been built and shipped with a full auto bolt carrier .  




 OMG!!!!!
7/23/2005 8:01:37 AM EDT
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My dealer got a LEO marked Colt 6920 in a couple of days ago for a customer.  He got it from Bill Hicks who had special ordered it from Colt.  When they were checking it out, they discovered it had been built and shipped with a full auto bolt carrier .  Others who have purchased this same model may want to check theirs to see if they have been put in the same position





Hey Blackmore,    2004 called........, they want their topic back!!!



BFD
7/23/2005 8:13:58 AM EDT
[#14]
I'm just hoping "they" who checked it out was the customer who purchased the rifle along with the receiving dealer, and not just the dealer and his employees before the customer came to pick it up.
7/23/2005 8:20:03 AM EDT
[#15]
 Glad they are putting in the proper configuration in myself, as the stupid cut one's beat up the buffer face. All the ones I purchased since the beginning of the year were with the "16" carrier, as long as they were built after jan.  Look at it as if it was an added bonus.
7/23/2005 8:37:47 AM EDT
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This is a win-win for Colt and the shooting public.



[In my best PR voice, hypothetically from Colt] These rifles are clearly marked LEO, therefore, we have no problem incorporating components, through parts commonality, that were previously decided to be unfit for civilian sale by the BATF. If we find unscrupulous dealers that are selling these to the public, then we will no longer distribute to them. Unfortunatley, given the GWOT, that is not our priority at this time--putting our fine rifles in the hands of America's finest is our sole priority. The added convenience of parts commonality helps us carry that objective to fruition. Even if these rifles are ending up in civilian hands, the rifle configurations and components violate no laws and are available similarly configured from myriad manufacturers.

7/23/2005 9:09:12 AM EDT
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The ATF was the one that forced Colt to modify the carrier in the first place (to prevent conversion to auto) Colt responded with several changes with the half moon non protected firing pin version as the one that pacified the ATF. So now they're going back to the full auto carrier. Hmmm. Very interesting.



Tightening chinstrap on my foil helmet---- "Maybe its to be used against the upstanding patriotic gun owning God fearing minutemen patriot (did I say that twice) God fearing Amearican red blooded baseball watchin, Nascar loving American , red blooded , patriotic citizens."
7/23/2005 9:24:56 AM EDT
[#18]
All your Colt M16 bolts are belong to us.
7/23/2005 10:04:27 AM EDT
[#19]
Now if they will just start using standard size fire control pins, and mill the lowers to SP1 Spec.
7/23/2005 10:07:55 AM EDT
[#20]
I will gladly trade my 6920's semi-auto bolt carrier for your full auto carrier
7/23/2005 10:21:31 AM EDT
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I will gladly trade my 6920's semi-auto bolt carrier for your full auto carrier



Same here and some $ extra.

Danny
7/23/2005 11:28:34 AM EDT
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I will gladly trade my 6920's semi-auto bolt carrier for your full auto carrier



Same here and some $ extra.

Danny



Me too!
7/23/2005 12:53:34 PM EDT
[#23]
Okay, okay.  Next time I will do a search.  Hadn't noticed this brought up before, though.
7/23/2005 2:27:39 PM EDT
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Okay, okay.  Next time I will do a search.  Hadn't noticed this brought up before, though.



Here's the original thread:

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=232771

Be sure to educate the dealer to the fact that it is perfectly LEGAL to have an M16 bolt carrier in an AR-15 rifle. If he tries to say that it is only legal in LEO rifles, explain to him that LEO's are not exempt from NFA anymore than you or I am.
7/23/2005 10:30:15 PM EDT
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EVERYONE LOVES THE PONY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
7/23/2005 10:51:09 PM EDT
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EVERYONE LOVES THE PONY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



and in washington, sometimes literally.

txl
7/23/2005 11:10:17 PM EDT
[#27]
My question is, why was the dealer disassembling a customers gun?  I know if I ordered a $1200 rifle, I wouldnt want people messing with it without me there.
7/24/2005 2:58:17 AM EDT
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Okay, okay.  Next time I will do a search.  Hadn't noticed this brought up before, though.



It is only a well known fact and multi-dupe to the us ARFcom lifers..

Thanks for the heads up

I will guarantee that with nearly 1,000 reads (at the time of this post -885) someone learned something from your topic.
7/24/2005 4:15:42 AM EDT
[#29]
I got screwed, I got semi auto carriers in mine
7/24/2005 5:23:24 AM EDT
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My dealer got a LEO marked Colt 6920 in a couple of days ago for a customer.  He got it from Bill Hicks who had special ordered it from Colt.  When they were checking it out, they discovered it had been built and shipped with a full auto bolt carrier .  Others who have purchased this same model may want to check theirs to see if they have been put in the same position



I'll take two!
7/24/2005 7:15:17 AM EDT
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My question is, why was the dealer disassembling a customers gun?  I know if I ordered a $1200 rifle, I wouldnt want people messing with it without me there.



My guess is they were checking it when they received it & logged it in.  You need to verify the SN on the gun matches the SN on the box.  It's also a good idea to verify the gun is what was ordered & is in the proper condition.
7/24/2005 11:07:08 AM EDT
[#32]
Hope your dealer isn't withholding the rifle from you because he thinks it's "illegal" or some bullshit.
7/26/2005 7:12:32 AM EDT
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Just got my 6920 last night it came with the m16 carrier and 2 20round mags, couldnt be happier now I dont have to upgrade the carrier,,, now if I could only get stickman to take the picture.
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