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5/30/2005 5:13:00 PM EDT
Well I have been reading and understand what I have to do as far as the paper work. I am just wondering once and if my paper work would approved how hard it is to build one. Never done a rifle build before. I am good at taking em apart and putting them back together correctly, but there would be more to this I am certain. What really makes me think is the barrel. Attaching it to the receiver correctly. I am guessing there is more to it than just screwing it in, right? The gas tube has me wondering too. I feel like I can handle evrything else, but I am really wondering about the barrel. Can someone shed some light on a build for me. Like whats involved, especially with the barrel to receiver and gas system.

Thanks!
5/30/2005 5:34:50 PM EDT
[#1]
Theres good threads with pics in the build it yourself forum.  Check there and I bet you can figure it out.  Its not that hard with the right tools.  
5/30/2005 5:35:35 PM EDT
[#2]
Just buy a short upper.. Thats what I did.
5/30/2005 5:39:27 PM EDT
[#3]
Wheres a good place to get a short upper?
5/30/2005 5:42:24 PM EDT
[#4]
I'm new too - currently working on my first three builds (I've got 3 lower receivers; why not three guns??).
However, I do know that the the barrel/ receiver question is a no-brainer - the barrel notches into the receiver and is tightened down by the barrel nut. You couldn't screw it up if you tried. I haven't got there yet, but I believe the gas tube install is equally straigtforward, but I'll leave this one for someone more experienced to confirm or clarify. Have fun!!  
5/30/2005 6:41:54 PM EDT
[#5]
WHITE_WOLFE, once your approved paperwork comes back, you have two choices: you can either swap barrels or uppers. Changing barrels really isn't difficult, and can be done rather quickly if you have an armorer's wrench and action block. In simple terms you pull the gas tube, unscrew the barrel nut, and remove the barrel. Then you push the new barrel into the receiver, tighten the barrel nut, and replace the gas tube. It involves a little more detail, and I'll be glad to walk you through it later if you decide to go that route. Heck, I have all the tools if you want to drive the 75 miles or so from your county to mine.
5/30/2005 6:45:06 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
Just buy a short upper.. Thats what I did.



+1

Easy peasy
5/31/2005 6:03:56 AM EDT
[#7]
Thanks for all the info and offering to help me. I have the armorer's wrench, but not the action block. I think I will just purchase one. I think there only about 40 bucks or so. I did go to the build section and have been looking and reading. I not sure exactly what I will do yet. I know the paper work is first. Fun fun waiting game from what I have heard.
5/31/2005 6:23:37 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
Well I have been reading and understand what I have to do as far as the paper work. I am just wondering once and if my paper work would approved how hard it is to build one. Never done a rifle build before. I am good at taking em apart and putting them back together correctly, but there would be more to this I am certain. What really makes me think is the barrel. Attaching it to the receiver correctly. I am guessing there is more to it than just screwing it in, right? The gas tube has me wondering too. I feel like I can handle evrything else, but I am really wondering about the barrel. Can someone shed some light on a build for me. Like whats involved, especially with the barrel to receiver and gas system.

Thanks!

KEY
MG - machine gun
SI - sound suppressor (silencer)
SR - short barreled rifle
SG - short shotgun
AOW - any other weapon
LBDD - large bore destructive device
EXPDD - explosive, incendiary or poison gas destructive device


STATEMG SI  SR   SG   AOWLBDD  EXPDD  Comments

AK  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
AL  Y   Y   N    N    Y  Y    ?
AR  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    ?   (state registration of pistol cal. MG's over .30)
AZ  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
CA  Y   N   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y   (requires discretionary and rarely issued permit for mg, lbdd or expdd from state Dept. of
                                 Justice; no AOW pen guns; C&R sg, sr only)
CO  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y   (requires state explosives permit for expdd)
CT  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    ?   (no select fire mg's-full auto's only, after 1993 assault weapon ban, state registration of
                                 mg's)
DE  N   N   Y    N    Y  Y    N   (no smooth bore pistol AOW's)
FL  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
GA  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y   (no incendiary expdd's)
HI  N   N   N    N    N  N    N  
IA  N   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y   (only si, sr, sg, lbdd and expdd designated as collector's items by the Comm'r of Public
                                 Safety - they use the ATF C&R list)
ID  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
IL  N   N   N    N    Y  ?    N
IN  Y   Y   Y    N    Y  Y    N
KS  N   N   Y    N    Y  Y    N   DEWAT machine guns are OK.
KY  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    ?
LA  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y   (mg's require a permit to purchase - war relics only; mg's, sr, si, sg and some expdd's
                                 require a permit to purchase)
MA  Y   N   Y    N    N  Y    N   (license for mg's required; 1998 law bans covert firearms (AOW's), short shotguns)
MD  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    N   (mg's must be registered)
ME  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
MI  Y   N   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y   (FFL needed to own machine guns; no incendiary expdd; C&R sr, sg only)
MN  Y   N   Y    Y    Y  Y    ?   (C&R mg, sg only, registration required)
MO  Y   N   Y    Y    Y  N    N   (C&R mg, sr, sg only to non-FFL holders; FFL holders (including C&R) any mg, sr, sg)
MS  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y   (as of 7/1/00, silencers are legal, but must be registered with the state)
MT  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  N    N   (state law banning silencers and requiring pistol cal. mg's over .30 be registered with state
                                 repealed 4/23/99)
NE  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    N
NC  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y   (sheriff's permit required for mg's; must be FFL holder (including C&R) for mg, si, sr, sg
                                 lbdd and expdd, or fall into another exception, see comments below)
ND  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y   (fed. "licensees" required to register all NFA weapons with state when possessed for
                                 "protection or sale")
NH  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
NJ  Y   N   N    N    Y  N    N   (mg requires discretionary and rarely issued permit from state court)
NM  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
NV  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
NY  N   N   N    N    Y  Y    N   (AOW smooth bore handguns are allowed, on a state pistol license)
OH  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
OK  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
OR  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y   (no incendiary expdd's)
PA  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    N
RI  N   N   N    N    Y  Y    ?
SC  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    ?   In 2001, S.C. law was changed to permit all Federally registered items  
SD  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
TN  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    ?
TX  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
UT  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
VA  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y   (state registration of all mg's)
VT  Y   N   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
WA  N   Y   N    N    Y  Y    N   (silencer may not be used on a gun)
WI  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y   (permit required for expdd, no incendiary expdd's; no pistol caliber mg's w/o permit)
WV  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    ?
WY  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    ?
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5/31/2005 7:21:24 AM EDT
[#9]
I have submitted my corp form 1 to make an SBR. I'll just be unpinning the pinned 5.5" FH on my DPMS 11.5" upper.

Two months and still waiting. Don't do this unless you are very patient.

I'm not patient  and it's driving me nuts.
5/31/2005 7:44:38 AM EDT
[#10]
Anyone here from New York State that has a short barreled rifle? If so, what was the process?

Jeff
5/31/2005 7:45:09 AM EDT
[#11]
besides the state law, also check your local community law........some of them may have ordinances against owning a NFA weapon, a quick trip to your local library and checking the codified ordinances would be a good thing to do

the biggest problem some  folks have is getting the CLEO (chief of police, sheriff) signing off on NFA forms, even though there is no laws against it. good luck
5/31/2005 11:01:13 AM EDT
[#12]
Having the proper tools to do barrel/upper receiver work is crucial for proper alignment and ease-of-assembly. I am sure there are many folks who can do it with basic tools, but having a receiver block, armorer's wrench, mounted bench vise, and a set of good punches is a "must" IMHO. As far as the actual work - it isn't difficult, but these tools sure would make life ALOT easier.
5/31/2005 11:36:51 AM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
Having the proper tools to do barrel/upper receiver work is crucial for proper alignment and ease-of-assembly. I am sure there are many folks who can do it with basic tools, but having a receiver block, armorer's wrench, mounted bench vise, and a set of good punches is a "must" IMHO. As far as the actual work - it isn't difficult, but these tools sure would make life ALOT easier.



I'd add a set of aluminum  vise barrel jaws to that list of tools.
5/31/2005 12:07:04 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Well I have been reading and understand what I have to do as far as the paper work. I am just wondering once and if my paper work would approved how hard it is to build one. Never done a rifle build before. I am good at taking em apart and putting them back together correctly, but there would be more to this I am certain. What really makes me think is the barrel. Attaching it to the receiver correctly. I am guessing there is more to it than just screwing it in, right? The gas tube has me wondering too. I feel like I can handle evrything else, but I am really wondering about the barrel. Can someone shed some light on a build for me. Like whats involved, especially with the barrel to receiver and gas system.

Thanks!

KEY
MG - machine gun
SI - sound suppressor (silencer)
SR - short barreled rifle
SG - short shotgun
AOW - any other weapon
LBDD - large bore destructive device
EXPDD - explosive, incendiary or poison gas destructive device


STATEMG SI  SR   SG   AOWLBDD  EXPDD  Comments

AK  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
AL  Y   Y   N    N    Y  Y    ?
AR  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    ?   (state registration of pistol cal. MG's over .30)
AZ  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
CA  Y   N   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y   (requires discretionary and rarely issued permit for mg, lbdd or expdd from state Dept. of
                                 Justice; no AOW pen guns; C&R sg, sr only)
CO  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y   (requires state explosives permit for expdd)
CT  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    ?   (no select fire mg's-full auto's only, after 1993 assault weapon ban, state registration of
                                 mg's)
DE  N   N   Y    N    Y  Y    N   (no smooth bore pistol AOW's)
FL  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y <-----Its good to live here
GA  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y   (no incendiary expdd's)
HI  N   N   N    N    N  N    N  
IA  N   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y   (only si, sr, sg, lbdd and expdd designated as collector's items by the Comm'r of Public
                                 Safety - they use the ATF C&R list)
ID  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
IL  N   N   N    N    Y  ?    N
IN  Y   Y   Y    N    Y  Y    N
KS  N   N   Y    N    Y  Y    N   DEWAT machine guns are OK.
KY  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    ?
LA  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y   (mg's require a permit to purchase - war relics only; mg's, sr, si, sg and some expdd's
                                 require a permit to purchase)
MA  Y   N   Y    N    N  Y    N   (license for mg's required; 1998 law bans covert firearms (AOW's), short shotguns)
MD  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    N   (mg's must be registered)
ME  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
MI  Y   N   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y   (FFL needed to own machine guns; no incendiary expdd; C&R sr, sg only)
MN  Y   N   Y    Y    Y  Y    ?   (C&R mg, sg only, registration required)
MO  Y   N   Y    Y    Y  N    N   (C&R mg, sr, sg only to non-FFL holders; FFL holders (including C&R) any mg, sr, sg)
MS  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y   (as of 7/1/00, silencers are legal, but must be registered with the state)
MT  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  N    N   (state law banning silencers and requiring pistol cal. mg's over .30 be registered with state
                                 repealed 4/23/99)
NE  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    N
NC  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y   (sheriff's permit required for mg's; must be FFL holder (including C&R) for mg, si, sr, sg
                                 lbdd and expdd, or fall into another exception, see comments below)
ND  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y   (fed. "licensees" required to register all NFA weapons with state when possessed for
                                 "protection or sale")
NH  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
NJ  Y   N   N    N    Y  N    N   (mg requires discretionary and rarely issued permit from state court)
NM  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
NV  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
NY  N   N   N    N    Y  Y    N   (AOW smooth bore handguns are allowed, on a state pistol license)
OH  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
OK  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
OR  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y   (no incendiary expdd's)
PA  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    N
RI  N   N   N    N    Y  Y    ?
SC  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    ?   In 2001, S.C. law was changed to permit all Federally registered items  
SD  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
TN  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    ?
TX  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
UT  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
VA  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y   (state registration of all mg's)
VT  Y   N   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
WA  N   Y   N    N    Y  Y    N   (silencer may not be used on a gun)
WI  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y   (permit required for expdd, no incendiary expdd's; no pistol caliber mg's w/o permit)
WV  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    ?
WY  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    ?
 ------------------------------------------------------------

5/31/2005 1:06:12 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Well I have been reading and understand what I have to do as far as the paper work. I am just wondering once and if my paper work would approved how hard it is to build one. Never done a rifle build before. I am good at taking em apart and putting them back together correctly, but there would be more to this I am certain. What really makes me think is the barrel. Attaching it to the receiver correctly. I am guessing there is more to it than just screwing it in, right? The gas tube has me wondering too. I feel like I can handle evrything else, but I am really wondering about the barrel. Can someone shed some light on a build for me. Like whats involved, especially with the barrel to receiver and gas system.

Thanks!

KEY
MG - machine gun
SI - sound suppressor (silencer)
SR - short barreled rifle
SG - short shotgun
AOW - any other weapon
LBDD - large bore destructive device
EXPDD - explosive, incendiary or poison gas destructive device


STATEMG SI  SR   SG   AOWLBDD  EXPDD  Comments

AK  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
AL  Y   Y   N    N    Y  Y    ?
AR  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    ?   (state registration of pistol cal. MG's over .30)
AZ  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
CA  Y   N   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y   (requires discretionary and rarely issued permit for mg, lbdd or expdd from state Dept. of
                                 Justice; no AOW pen guns; C&R sg, sr only)
CO  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y   (requires state explosives permit for expdd)
CT  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    ?   (no select fire mg's-full auto's only, after 1993 assault weapon ban, state registration of
                                 mg's)
DE  N   N   Y    N    Y  Y    N   (no smooth bore pistol AOW's)
FL  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
GA  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y   (no incendiary expdd's)
HI  N   N   N    N    N  N    N  
IA  N   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y   (only si, sr, sg, lbdd and expdd designated as collector's items by the Comm'r of Public
                                 Safety - they use the ATF C&R list)
ID  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
IL  N   N   N    N    Y  ?    N
IN  Y   Y   Y    N    Y  Y    N
KS  N   N   Y    N    Y  Y    N   DEWAT machine guns are OK.
KY  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    ?
LA  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y   (mg's require a permit to purchase - war relics only; mg's, sr, si, sg and some expdd's
                                 require a permit to purchase)
MA  Y   N   Y    N    N  Y    N   (license for mg's required; 1998 law bans covert firearms (AOW's), short shotguns)
MD  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    N   (mg's must be registered)
ME  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
MI  Y   N   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y   (FFL needed to own machine guns; no incendiary expdd; C&R sr, sg only)
MN  Y   N   Y    Y    Y  Y    ?   (C&R mg, sg only, registration required)
MO  Y   N   Y    Y    Y  N    N   (C&R mg, sr, sg only to non-FFL holders; FFL holders (including C&R) any mg, sr, sg)
MS  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y   (as of 7/1/00, silencers are legal, but must be registered with the state)
MT  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  N    N   (state law banning silencers and requiring pistol cal. mg's over .30 be registered with state
                                 repealed 4/23/99)
NE  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    N
NC  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y   (sheriff's permit required for mg's; must be FFL holder (including C&R) for mg, si, sr, sg
                                 lbdd and expdd, or fall into another exception, see comments below)
ND  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y   (fed. "licensees" required to register all NFA weapons with state when possessed for
                                 "protection or sale")
NH  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
NJ  Y   N   N    N    Y  N    N   (mg requires discretionary and rarely issued permit from state court)
NM  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
NV  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
NY  N   N   N    N    Y  Y    N   (AOW smooth bore handguns are allowed, on a state pistol license)
OH  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
OK  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
OR  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y   (no incendiary expdd's)
PA  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    N
RI  N   N   N    N    Y  Y    ?
SC  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    ?   In 2001, S.C. law was changed to permit all Federally registered items  
SD  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
TN  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    ?
TX  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
UT  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
VA  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y   (state registration of all mg's)
VT  Y   N   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y
WA  N   Y   N    N    Y  Y    N   (silencer may not be used on a gun)
WI  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    Y   (permit required for expdd, no incendiary expdd's; no pistol caliber mg's w/o permit)
WV  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    ?
WY  Y   Y   Y    Y    Y  Y    ?
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Once again, my state sucks.
5/31/2005 2:25:22 PM EDT
[#16]

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IL  N   N   N    N    Y  ?    N  ------------------------------------------------------------



Once again, my state sucks.



Ain't that the truth

Indiana is close, though

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