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11/30/2004 6:21:53 PM EDT
Does anybody know how to Fluff & Buff the AR? There is a website for the Kel-Tec pistols, it show how to polish, lightly sand  with 420 grit sandpaper the areas of the slide, ramp etc.  It makes the firearm (my Kel-Tec) operate much smoothly and  and sometimes more accurately. Matter of fact it enabled me to use ammo that would FTE all the time. (Just Wondering)
11/30/2004 6:24:10 PM EDT
[#1]
Your kidding right?
11/30/2004 6:24:45 PM EDT
[#2]
NOPE......
11/30/2004 6:26:44 PM EDT
[#3]
I'll try to find the website on fluff and buff and post it. it would be for the Kel-tec.
11/30/2004 6:28:42 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
NOPE......


This isn't a cheap POS - no need for 'fluff & buff'.
11/30/2004 6:28:56 PM EDT
[#5]
http://www.goldenloki.com/guns/keltec/prep.htm


Here it is.. The bottom of my bolt seems a little and I mean a little rough, I will use crocus cloth and polish that area and put a mirror finish there. I don't know if it will improve anything but the area will be very smooth anyway. Forest, I agree they are not  POS.
11/30/2004 7:47:03 PM EDT
[#6]
I know the feeling you're talking about. I had the same concerns with my previous ARs. Everyone of them seemed to have a little bit too much friction in the bolt...

I'm by no means an expert, but after a few hundred rounds she ran just fine. Clean it up and lube her with some CLP and you're going to be good to go.  Of course, if I'm wrong I apologize...

I'll hafta remember to check back in on this thread.
11/30/2004 7:53:24 PM EDT
[#7]
The words:  Fluff n Buff and AR-15  NO NOT belong in the same sentence !!  

 
12/1/2004 2:06:10 AM EDT
[#8]
(StrkAliteN,   Understandable, what shall it be called?) I polished the bottom of the bolt, just where the hammer rides. The finish is like a mirror. I'm quessing the the hammer will ride smoothly with no minor, minute divits. There are a few other place too smooth out but I have to be very careful while I'm buffing the areas. Too me it's just another way of interacting with my m4. If ED BROWN, Wilson products are tweaked to fine firearms why not my M4.
12/1/2004 2:12:11 AM EDT
[#9]
xm193 will buff out all the spots that need buffing.

if your keltec ain't working, send it back.  i sent my p32 back on monday, got it back running great on thursday.
12/1/2004 2:19:26 AM EDT
[#10]
Check out the Maryland ar-15 site on MSN groups. They have a way to buff and fluff your std trigger. They may have more fluff listed there as well.
12/1/2004 5:14:27 AM EDT
[#11]
The Kel-Tec I have is the P3AT, it worked fine with certain ammo. After the F&B I tried the ammo the gun fail to shoot prior, they work now. I will go to the website you guys are mentioning for more F&B knowledge. Thanks. The trigger F&B will be my next project.
12/1/2004 5:16:48 AM EDT
[#12]
Is this a joke?   I don't get it.............
12/1/2004 6:18:42 AM EDT
[#13]
PocketG, this just isn't necessary to do on an AR.  It's necessary on Kel-Tecs because KT doesn't do the polishing that should really be done at the factory.  Don't get me wrong - I have a P-3AT and love it dearly, but I bought it knowing that it would take a little work to make it 100% reliable.  An AR from any decent manufacturer is going to have all these steps already done at the factory.

If you want to tinker, check out the build-it-yourself forum and start gathering the parts and tools to build your own.  This will be much more satisfying to you than fixing a problem that never existed.
12/1/2004 7:49:14 AM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
I will use crocus cloth and polish that area and put a mirror finish there.



So you are going to remove the protective rust-preventative finish because you want to check your hair in the field?
12/1/2004 8:24:15 AM EDT
[#15]
Fluff&Buff,shit what did this thread turn into? a porno set
12/1/2004 11:50:06 AM EDT
[#16]
The trigger I put aside for now. Anyways I completed the second phase of Fluff & Buff, The Firing pin. The Pin was spun at 65000 rpm at that time a laser emits a blue laser light and removes any inperfections on the surface. I'll explain the principles of the blue beam later in the F & B process, most likely in the last phase.  

Thanks again.
12/1/2004 12:57:16 PM EDT
[#17]
Fluffing an AR.  Not a pretty image!!!
12/1/2004 1:01:50 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
The trigger I put aside for now. Anyways I completed the second phase of Fluff & Buff, The Firing pin. The Pin was spun at 65000 rpm at that time a laser emits a blue laser light and removes any inperfections on the surface. I'll explain the principles of the blue beam later in the F & B process, most likely in the last phase.  

Thanks again.




  ??????????
12/1/2004 1:15:59 PM EDT
[#19]
wtf??
12/1/2004 1:38:34 PM EDT
[#20]
This is where I use Blue laser technology in making precision test instruments  (links below). I also can use it on any metal surface. My concept is to make the pin perfectly round so in turn it takes off any imperfections in the metal. It's used in all Mil-spec tube making processes.  I don't have to do this but it's just fun doing it.

http://www.heise.com/products/qg.cfm?pfam=1

http://www.heise.com/products.cfm?doc_id=200
12/1/2004 2:01:18 PM EDT
[#21]
Your thinking too much.  Shoot the damn thing.
12/1/2004 2:03:38 PM EDT
[#22]
Ok guys, I will put it to rest as of now. Lock & Roll time...........
12/1/2004 2:29:45 PM EDT
[#23]
WTF?
12/1/2004 2:57:56 PM EDT
[#24]
Fluff and buff = Fire the weapon 200 times.  Clean.  Fluff and Buff completed.
12/1/2004 4:14:04 PM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:
Does anybody know how to Fluff & Buff the AR? There is a website for the Kel-Tec pistols, it show how to polish, lightly sand  with 420 grit sandpaper the areas of the slide, ramp etc.  It makes the firearm (my Kel-Tec) operate much smoothly and  and sometimes more accurately. Matter of fact it enabled me to use ammo that would FTE all the time. (Just Wondering)



Fluff and Buff wtf sounds funny in the gun context LOL
12/1/2004 4:30:56 PM EDT
[#26]
200 rounds shall be it.
12/1/2004 4:54:29 PM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:
(StrkAliteN,   Understandable, what shall it be called?) I polished the bottom of the bolt, just where the hammer rides. The finish is like a mirror. I'm quessing the the hammer will ride smoothly with no minor, minute divits. There are a few other place too smooth out but I have to be very careful while I'm buffing the areas. Too me it's just another way of interacting with my m4. If ED BROWN, Wilson products are tweaked to fine firearms why not my M4.



Careful, as you may polish the hardened coating right off the bolt.  There is nothing wrong with the stock AR, and polishing anything but the trigger I believe to be a mistake.
12/1/2004 5:26:34 PM EDT
[#28]
Thanks for the advice, It was a slight polish all the coating is still there.
12/1/2004 10:28:04 PM EDT
[#29]
Belleview Gunsmithing now open for business.
12/2/2004 1:47:37 AM EDT
[#30]
Come on now, we are family, lets talk nice now........
12/2/2004 5:51:16 AM EDT
[#31]
Carriers should be heat treated, not just surface hardened. While polishing the hammer ramp is mostly tilting at windmills, it shouldn't hurt anything.  Funny that most everyone agrees that ARs are a little "stiff" when new and require extra lube and at least a couple hundred rounds to shoot in, why so opposed to alterative, and possibly more effective ways of smoothing out the commonly admitted rough spots?

I do agree, "fluff and buff" sounds straight from the adult film industry.  "Dehorn" comes to mind, or maybe the non-word my first gunsmith used "reliabilitate".
12/2/2004 7:57:29 AM EDT
[#32]
Reliabilitate,    sounds ok with me.....
12/2/2004 8:26:04 AM EDT
[#33]
Fluff and buff?!

We ain't havin' none of that around here! Somebody git a rope!
12/2/2004 8:35:23 AM EDT
[#34]
This has got to be a joke.  Who's troll account is this?
12/2/2004 8:35:45 AM EDT
[#35]
Fluffers have there use.
12/2/2004 3:15:24 PM EDT
[#36]
Fluff and Buff coming right up
12/2/2004 6:17:04 PM EDT
[#37]
Fluff and Buff, is treating your firearm with the upmost tender loving care. If it has a burr, remove it if the ramp is a little rough, polish it. That's just part of Fluff and Buff.
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