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11/25/2004 3:16:14 PM EDT
I am looking into getting a colt SP-1 upper ( small hole ). Will a standard Bush or RRA lower work with this? If not what to do?
Thanks
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11/25/2004 3:21:01 PM EDT
[#1]
A Colt SP1 upper has a large pivot hole. It will work with a small-pivot lower IF you buy an adapter pin.
11/25/2004 6:07:21 PM EDT
[#2]
Two other choices are either an "M16" upper from Fulton Armory


Or a genuine M16 upper. Both have the small front pivot pin holes.
11/25/2004 8:17:42 PM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
A Colt SP1 upper has a large pivot hole. It will work with a small-pivot lower IF you buy an adapter pin.


Yeah, SP1s are large pin. You can get an adapter from Bushmaster.
11/25/2004 8:37:15 PM EDT
[#4]
If you in fact end up with an SP1 upper, with the large hole, the best way to mate it to a small hole lower is NOT the unit sold by Bushmaster, and almost everyone else. It's a total PITA to use, because every time you open the action it rotated out of position, and you have to use two screwdrivers to reset it.


The only adapter I've found that stays in position is the unit sold by CDNN  www.cdnninvestments.com

Part #TAR2
11/25/2004 8:52:52 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
Two other choices are either an "M16" upper from Fulton Armory
img.photobucket.com/albums/v151/gregw45/colormatch.jpg

Or a genuine M16 upper. Both have the small front pivot pin holes.
img.photobucket.com/albums/v151/gregw45/bsl2.jpg


WOW That is a good lookin' carbine you have there!
11/25/2004 9:58:45 PM EDT
[#6]
Just looking at an SP1 upper for sale that says "small hole upper.' so WTH?

I had to check this thread because I'm thinking of picking up one for my "Match Target M4" lower.
11/25/2004 10:59:26 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
Just looking at an SP1 upper for sale that says "small hole upper.' so WTH?

I had to check this thread because I'm thinking of picking up one for my "Match Target M4" lower.



Only two possibilities:

- they're wrong, and it's a large-hole upper
- it's not an SP1 upper, but an M16 or M16A1 upper (the latter will have a forward assist)

-Troy
11/25/2004 11:02:56 PM EDT
[#8]
"Teardrop forward assist."

I guess that explains it.. Thanks
11/25/2004 11:30:43 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
Just looking at an SP1 upper for sale that says "small hole upper.' so WTH?

I had to check this thread because I'm thinking of picking up one for my "Match Target M4" lower.



I ordered one and it's in fact small hole.  I guess they just didn't want to admit that it's a M16 upper.
11/26/2004 4:39:57 AM EDT
[#10]
This is legal to put on a new receiver and to own correct.
Joe
11/26/2004 5:46:23 AM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
This is legal to put on a new receiver and to own correct.
Joe



ABSOLUTLY!
11/26/2004 5:49:41 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
Just looking at an SP1 upper for sale that says "small hole upper.' so WTH?



Looking at the ones being sold by CDNN, perhaps? If so, they are calling them SP1 uppers while, in fact, they are really M16A1 uppers.
11/26/2004 9:18:03 AM EDT
[#13]
yea, that's them..
12/5/2004 8:28:06 AM EDT
[#14]
As the bolt carrier is one of the 6 items that are used in M16's, it cannot be installed in an AR-15 because BATF clearly states "that if a AR15 type rifle contains even ONE M16 component, it is a machine gun". This is a ruling and is clearly stated in BATF bulletins and the Bushmaster sales catalog

This was a quote I got off gunbroker.com, Is the SP-1 (M-16) upper totally legal that I got from CDNN?
Joe
12/5/2004 12:27:12 PM EDT
[#15]
The "quote" off another web site hardly qualifies as an authoritative source. In fact it, and the overblown comments in the Bushmaster catalog, are largely (though not completely), BS.

Your upper assy is perfectly legal. And most, but not all, of us believe that an M16 bolt carrier is also legal. It's the installation of full auto parts into the LOWER that can get you on trouble.


(And how many tomes a week do we have to go through this rigamarole)




12/5/2004 6:27:29 PM EDT
[#16]
Thanks I thought is was BS.
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