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11/10/2004 2:18:52 PM EDT
Ok...being the impatient bastich that I am, I couldn't wait to get the Izzy brake off.  It isn't that bad...just grind until the pin is visible below the weld, drill a little hole side-on to the pin so you can get a grip on it, and lever it out.  Threads are fine, the hole was drilled neatly.  Oh, and a propane torch is needed to heat the brake to melt the Loctite.  It will not unscrew if you don't heat it.

It's easy....
11/10/2004 2:27:22 PM EDT
[#1]
16", right?

What's the overall length?

And do you have any chrono data?
11/10/2004 2:43:03 PM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
16", right?

What's the overall length?

And do you have any chrono data?



Yes, it's a 16".  I'll measure OAL when I get home (I'm in class right now).  The new carbine buffer is not proven yet, but I will post chrono data as soon as I get out to shoot it, which may be tomorrow, if I can't hold my horses any more successfully than I did today.  

I'll chrono 155gr TAP, L2A2 ball, and Remington 150gr FMJ.

Patience, grasshopper!
11/10/2004 2:50:02 PM EDT
[#3]

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Quoted:
16", right?

What's the overall length?

And do you have any chrono data?



Yes, it's a 16".  I'll measure OAL when I get home (I'm in class right now).  The new carbine buffer is not proven yet, but I will post chrono data as soon as I get out to shoot it, which may be tomorrow, if I can't hold my horses any more successfully than I did today.  

I'll chrono 155gr TAP, L2A2 ball, and Remington 150gr FMJ.

Patience, grasshopper!



Are you psychic?  

I'm curious about OAL and MV compared to an 18" M1A Scout.

Decisions decisions...
11/10/2004 2:59:09 PM EDT
[#4]
Well, my OAL isn't fair, I just made a buffer that allows me to use a Vltor CAR stock!
11/10/2004 3:50:50 PM EDT
[#5]
Any word on when a the BAR 10 will be offeredn with a chrome lined barrel!

BTW, how are FAL mags working?  Is it true that it will work with both inch and metric mags, or is the BAR10 picky?
11/10/2004 3:52:21 PM EDT
[#6]
So far so good.  I'm going to put some rounds through it tomorrow, and see how the buffer does.
11/10/2004 5:57:42 PM EDT
[#7]
pics....a work in progress.  I just couldn't bloody wait for a rail to get a VFG on it, so I did a little rigging.  


and the grind necessary to take the weld out of the muzzle brake


and the finished muzzle...
11/10/2004 5:58:58 PM EDT
[#8]
I'm going to go out tomorrow and hammer a few hundred rounds through it to test the new buffer setup, but it's looking good as an Uber-M4...muwahahahahaha
11/14/2004 8:15:02 PM EDT
[#9]
Any reliability problems?  My extractor broke after 500 rounds.  
11/15/2004 5:53:08 AM EDT
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Any reliability problems?  My extractor broke after 500 rounds.  



No, it's running good so far, at about 350 rounds.  How many rounds do you have through it after installing a new extractor?

This is the second time I've heard this.  My theory, fwiw, is that the stock buffer isn't heavy enough.  This is putting excessive stress on the extractor.  My buffer is almost 30 grams heavier than the factory buffer.
11/15/2004 7:55:50 AM EDT
[#11]

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Well, my OAL isn't fair, I just made a buffer that allows me to use a Vltor CAR stock!



What did you do different to make that work? What spring did you use? What length buffer do you have? What's the weight of the buffer?

Please share with us!

Wac
11/15/2004 8:33:50 AM EDT
[#12]
Did you ever get those velocities?
11/15/2004 8:57:34 AM EDT
[#13]

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Did you ever get those velocities?



Not yet, bro.... Hopefully this weekend.  It feeds the shit out of TAP, though...
11/15/2004 9:01:25 AM EDT
[#14]
Inch or Metric mags??
11/15/2004 9:03:57 AM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Well, my OAL isn't fair, I just made a buffer that allows me to use a Vltor CAR stock!



What did you do different to make that work? What spring did you use? What length buffer do you have? What's the weight of the buffer?

Please share with us!

Wac



You have to start with a Colt 9mm buffer...pull the pad out of the end, dump the weight stack out, and cut it to 1.940".  Then, trim 1/8 off BOTH ends of the buffer pad using a razor blade.  You'll need two tungsten weights from Slash, because the steel ones aren't heavy enough.  Drop the two new weights in, using the poly discs from the old buffer stack, then press the end pad back in (takes a vise).  You should wind up with a completed OAL of 2.21" and a weight of +/- 160 grams.  Cut the factory buffer spring to 29 coils, install, and check to make sure your bolt will lock open on an empty magazine.  

The factory buffer weighs 130 grams, so the increased weight should decrease stress on the extractor.

Tip:  Colt 9mm buffers are harder than the hammers of hell.  I ruined two lathe bits trying to cut it, and finally gave up and cut it with an air driven grinding wheel (left a little long) and dressed it up with a file.  
11/15/2004 9:04:35 AM EDT
[#16]

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Inch or Metric mags??



Metric.  I haven't tried any inch mags, and I don't see any sense in it since metrics are so much cheaper.
11/15/2004 11:35:27 AM EDT
[#17]
QS, have you noticed the grip on the Bushmaster .308 to be the same as any AR15? I tried to put a Houge on for a guy and was having difficulty getting it to sit flush with the receiver. He was rushed and so was I, so I cant be sure it didnt fit or if I just needed to work with it for a sec. Was wondering if you had noticed anything?
11/15/2004 11:59:24 AM EDT
[#18]
No, no problems, and I have had an Armalite A2 grip on it, and now an Ergo.  Gappers work too, thankfully...
11/16/2004 4:51:37 AM EDT
[#19]
I contacted Bushmaster yesterday about the broken extractor and they were apologetic.  They are going to take care of the problem ASAP.  I'll let you know when I am back up and running.  Interesting posts about the buffer weight!!!!!!!!!!  Has anyone contacted Bushmaster about this?
11/16/2004 6:06:19 AM EDT
[#20]

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I contacted Bushmaster yesterday about the broken extractor and they were apologetic.  They are going to take care of the problem ASAP.  I'll let you know when I back up and running.  Interesting posts about the buffer weight!!!!!!!!!!  Has anyone contacted Bushmaster about this?



The one time I called and asked them about this stuff they were very reluctant to even talk about it.
11/16/2004 6:43:05 AM EDT
[#21]
Cavalry Arms has a buffer that weighs 8.5 oz. They developed it for use with the pistol cal uppers. They gave it a trial run at gunstock. It should be for sale soon.
11/16/2004 7:35:32 AM EDT
[#22]
How much longer are we going to have to wait before you snap a pic of it wearing the TPR-S?
11/16/2004 7:37:42 AM EDT
[#23]
Well, the .308 Bi-Locks in standard FS style are still being made, so I don't have one yet.  I can stick it over the end and snap a pic if it'll make you feel better!
11/16/2004 7:38:28 AM EDT
[#24]

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Cavalry Arms has a buffer that weighs 8.5 oz. They developed it for use with the pistol cal uppers. They gave it a trial run at gunstock. It should be for sale soon.



Well, the problem is going to be its length.  If it's not the right length it doesn't matter...
11/16/2004 7:59:10 AM EDT
[#25]

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Well, the .308 Bi-Locks in standard FS style are still being made, so I don't have one yet.



Aren't those the old style ones?  I thought Gem-Tech discontinued that type?


I can stick it over the end and snap a pic if it'll make you feel better!


Anything, I'm dying here.
11/16/2004 8:03:04 AM EDT
[#26]
Hey QS, Lets just end this Arms Race, I will concede that you have a bigger pecker than I do, and we can just go back to normal 5.56 M4s OK?  
11/16/2004 8:10:36 AM EDT
[#27]

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Well, the .308 Bi-Locks in standard FS style are still being made, so I don't have one yet.



Aren't those the old style ones?  I thought Gem-Tech discontinued that type?


I can stick it over the end and snap a pic if it'll make you feel better!


Anything, I'm dying here.



Yeah, they did.  Someone contracted them to make a special run.  I'm gonna get one of those.

I'll get it done later when I get home...
11/16/2004 8:11:32 AM EDT
[#28]

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Hey QS, Lets just end this Arms Race, I will concede that you have a bigger pecker than I do, and we can just go back to normal 5.56 M4s OK?  



But it isn't as scary.  My pecker, that is.

Shouldn't you be out killing people and breaking things?
11/16/2004 8:13:56 AM EDT
[#29]

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Shouldn't you be out killing people and breaking things?



Im now flying every other day, got a plus up of steely eyed killers here so everyone gets some down time.

11/16/2004 8:14:33 AM EDT
[#30]

Quoted:

Quoted:

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Well, the .308 Bi-Locks in standard FS style are still being made, so I don't have one yet.



Aren't those the old style ones?  I thought Gem-Tech discontinued that type?


I can stick it over the end and snap a pic if it'll make you feel better!


Anything, I'm dying here.



Yeah, they did.  Someone contracted them to make a special run.  I'm gonna get one of those.

I'll get it done later when I get home...



Are you getting this from Gem-Tech, or are you buying it from some other place that you would care to share with us (me)?
11/16/2004 8:15:20 AM EDT
[#31]

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Shouldn't you be out killing people and breaking things?



Im now flying every other day, got a plus up of steely eyed killers here so everyone gets some down time.




Cool... Hey, did ya get a chance to go to CDS?
11/16/2004 8:15:53 AM EDT
[#32]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

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Well, the .308 Bi-Locks in standard FS style are still being made, so I don't have one yet.



Aren't those the old style ones?  I thought Gem-Tech discontinued that type?


I can stick it over the end and snap a pic if it'll make you feel better!


Anything, I'm dying here.



Yeah, they did.  Someone contracted them to make a special run.  I'm gonna get one of those.

I'll get it done later when I get home...



Are you getting this from Gem-Tech, or are you buying it from some other place that you would care to share with us (me)?



I'll IM you when they're available.
11/16/2004 8:17:41 AM EDT
[#33]
Mucho thanks.  I'm planning another AR-10 build, and I Just don't know if I could live with a new style Bi-Lock on it.
11/16/2004 8:18:59 AM EDT
[#34]

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Mucho thanks.  I'm planning another AR-10 build, and I Just don't know if I could live with a new style Bi-Lock on it.



Yeah, I know it.  I ordered an Armalite FS in the meantime, should be here in the next day or so.
11/16/2004 8:21:45 AM EDT
[#35]

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Cool... Hey, did ya get a chance to go to CDS?



No, that would require a trip to the Capital, and I aint getting there till Turkey Day.

11/16/2004 8:25:14 AM EDT
[#36]

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Cool... Hey, did ya get a chance to go to CDS?



No, that would require a trip to the Capital, and I aint getting there till Turkey Day.




Check.

Is your AIM working where you are?
11/16/2004 8:29:07 AM EDT
[#37]
Negative on AIM, on a work computer
11/17/2004 7:56:14 AM EDT
[#38]
OK...I just talked to a gunsmith at Bushmaster, after ordering a Field Repair Kit for my rifle.  I was wanting to pass along my theory that the factory buffer is too light, hence the broken extractors.  If I understood him correctly, he said he knows the factory buffer is too light, and their (proprietary) collapsible stock assembly will have a heavier buffer.

I got the impression he thought I was.

11/17/2004 8:12:46 AM EDT
[#39]

Quoted:
OK...I just talked to a gunsmith at Bushmaster, after ordering a Field Repair Kit for my rifle.  I was wanting to pass along my theory that the factory buffer is too light, hence the broken extractors.  If I understood him correctly, he said he knows the factory buffer is too light, and their (proprietary) collapsible stock assembly will have a heavier buffer.

I got the impression he thought I was.




I hate proprietary parts.
11/21/2004 8:20:06 AM EDT
[#40]
The extractor was replaced and the BAR-10 now has developed a feeding problem.  It's not just with one magazine, but all 5 of them.  I was not happy about it, because I was all pumped up to use the rifle at a tactical match.  My rifle is on it's way back to Bushmaster again!!!!!!  Hopefully they will get it straightened out this time.  My rifle has spent more time down with problems than up and running.  I have only been able to fire 518 rounds through it.  All this traveling back and forth to Bushmaster through UPS is making my rifle homesick.  

So much for my plan to replace my M1A with the BAR-10.  After firing 600-800 trouble free rounds I had planned on selling my M1A.  I have not been able to fire too many rounds through my BAR-10 without problems, so I'm not sure that's a good idea now.   I'll give Bushmaster one more chance to make things right.  If I have any more problems, the rifle will be up for sale.        
11/21/2004 9:03:26 AM EDT
[#41]

Well, the problem is going to be its length. If it's not the right length it doesn't matter...


Im eagerly awaiting this item. Cav Arms designed it as a replacement for a CAR buffer. It seems the .45 acp uppers were damaging their MK II lowers. They stepped up and designed this part. Seems to me that it might be what you are looking for.
11/21/2004 12:14:59 PM EDT
[#42]

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The extractor was replaced and the BAR-10 now has developed a feeding problem.  It's not just with one magazine, but all 5 of them.  I was not happy about it, because I was all pumped up to use the rifle at a tactical match.  My rifle is on it's way back to Bushmaster again!!!!!!  Hopefully they will get it straightened out this time.  My rifle has spent more time down with problems than up and running.  I have only been able to fire 518 rounds through it.  All this traveling back and forth to Bushmaster through UPS is making my rifle homesick.  

So much for my plan to replace my M1A with the BAR-10.  After firing 600-800 trouble free rounds I had planned on selling my M1A.  I have not been able to fire too many rounds through my BAR-10 without problems, so I'm not sure that's a good idea now.   I'll give Bushmaster one more chance to make things right.  If I have any more problems, the rifle will be up for sale.        



You must have gotten a bad one.  Mine has almost 800 rounds through it and hasn't missed a beat.  I wouldn't give up on it - Springfield has put out some fucked up M1As too...
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