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Posted: 9/28/2004 6:56:21 AM EDT
| Does anyone know what kind of reputation these guys have for quality, customer service, ETC? |
| BTW I'm sure Tweak will be along shortly and post the letter from FN stating what I have just outlined. If you're in a hurry you can sign up for [email protected] and seach the file archived there - a copy of the letter is stored there. |
I just signed up to that group specifically to see that letter. (My account their is currently pending). If it doesn't cause any sort of issue, if would be nice if that was psoted here and tacked to the top as this subject seems to come up often. |
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Here is the Link to FN Letter in Tweak's Folder Here is the Text:
I edited the letter as follows: 1) Highlights in Red & Blue to point out specific information 2) Removed the e-mail addresses so Spamers can't get them (if you go to the original letter you can see them). |
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Here's Tweak's post about FN AR parts 69.95.2.67/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=66&t=199607 I still don't see a company the size of FAC lieing about this, I'd think FN would be all over them if they were falsly using FN's name on products not made by FN. Do you think they're just Wilson (or whatever) barrels and FAC is just outright lieing and saying they are FNs? There's an old thread about this, I'll see if I can find it. Anybody have a link to thread about what the FN barrels are marked? Could these be barrels a different FN division (i.e. not the US one) made and were imported? too old, couldn't find it 
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They list both 1/9 and 1/7, though I couldn't find whether they were unlined or not-but they list A2 20" which I assume means Government profile, and other than Bushy I don't know who else makes those, but they also list HBAR barrels and m4 barrels, which I would assume FN doesn't make. I know there are, um, "FN affiliated" accounts on this board so FN certainly knows about these-hell they SELL FN rifles and shotguns to FAC. If those are just some made in China barrels that FAC is passing off as FN they're out of their mind, I would think FN would sue the crap out of them. Got me 
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FN DOES NOT sell to the commercial market. I meet people from FN all the time at military shows, and I often ask the question. Tweak's letter is the response I always get. Legally, they CAN NOT sell to the commerical market. People here love to presuppose they know something, often based on a feeling. Some of us check into things. I was always asking if S&W was still bound by the HUD agreement. Many here tried to tell me that they weren't. I finally contacted S&W and got the straight scoop - technically, yes they are. Further conversations convinced me they can't get it cleared right now, and they won't be obeying it anyway. Point being, until you hear if from the horse's mouth, you don't know for sure. If you don't believe me, Forest or Tweak, ask them yourself. |
I think you are talking about a thread I started based off of a barrel I bought from Fulton Armory. (I can't find the original thread anymore either). This barrel is 100%, no question about it, FN produced M16 barrel and is not any kind of factory 2nd or reject (which is what most people like to assume)    For those having a had time reading this pic... FNMI MP 5.56 NATO 1/7 There is a lot of debate about how these parts get out but they do in fact get out. Too many to just write them all off as stolen, particularly when they are being sold by places like FAC and FA in number. Is FAC selling genuine FN M16 uppers? Don't know haven't seen one but you can't just dismiss it because of FN's sales agreement with the USG. There are ways for FN parts to legally hit the civilian market without FN breaching their contract. Keep in mind, FN is the only one bound to the agreement (assuming it does in fact exist). The contract in no way regulates what the USG (or individual Dept's within the USG) do with the parts once received. |
How can you say that? What proof do you have that it is not a factory reject? Because the only other option is stolen USG property...
It's not just a 'sales agreement' - it's a legal binding which Colt has already gone to court once over. Besides there is the statement (above) from one of FN's executives. BTW FN at one time did come to the site and make a similar statement
Actually the agreement does - It's part of the agreement between Colt and the US Gov (about surplusing parts & weapons). But it would be up to Colt to cry foul if the USG suplused the parts. BTW why would they be surplusing A2 uppers & barrels when there are units that still have M16A1s? |
I'm sorry Forest but I don't have the patience to play this game again. This has already been hashed out here once before and I don't have the time or energy to play again. If somebody here has the ability to search back more then 3 months maybe they can find the original thread. Long story short, This barrel was verified as a true FN barrel by both an FN employee and by other members here who an intimate knowledge of FN made M16's. The FN employee I referred to is an Engineer there (as well as a member of this forum) and his office is next to one of the assembly\machining areas. He verified that FN does not mark, package, sell or in any other way release barrels that do not pass their inspections. Defect barrels go into a barrel for recycling. As far the stolen and contract issues. Once the USG buys a rifle (or rifle component) they can do what ever they want with it. There is no law, contract or agreement telling them that they can not sell anything but just to play along for a minute, lets say there was. That still would not stop a unit or agency who needed to raise capital for other non-budgeted item to sell off assets not knowing (or possible caring) what the contract details where with FN. Believe what I have written or don't. That's up to you but I have given you the straight scoop based off of a lot of research and conversations with people who know. |
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