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5/24/2004 6:42:46 PM EDT
What exactly is a proper stance for shooting an AR? I see a lot of pics, and a few I see with the elbow up, and a few I see with the elboes in, shoulders forward. Are they both proper and just used for differing circumstances? Im a LEO, so they teach us now to square off, etc. Id appreciate any info.
5/24/2004 6:58:24 PM EDT
[#1]
I square off, myself...even though I'm not wearing bodyarmor (which is why they train like this)..

Square off, tucked in as much as I can, and double-tap. Both rounds usually hit black at 25 yards. I want to improve it to have them both within say the 7 ring...

Stock usually riding high in the shoulder, but it depends on how quickly I do it. (Using a Giles sling, no hands on weapon...grab, shoulder, sight, squeeze)

Then again, I'm no pro
5/24/2004 7:06:15 PM EDT
[#2]
I always say to each his own.....they way I shoot may work perfect for me and not for you, so as long as your confortable and shooting what you deem acceptable accuracy,so be it.
my $.02

Joe
5/24/2004 7:06:57 PM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
I square off, myself...even though I'm not wearing bodyarmor (which is why they train like this)..

Square off, tucked in as much as I can, and double-tap. Both rounds usually hit black at 25 yards. I want to improve it to have them both within say the 7 ring...

Stock usually riding high in the shoulder, but it depends on how quickly I do it. (Using a Giles sling, no hands on weapon...grab, shoulder, sight, squeeze)

Then again, I'm no pro



Sounds pretty professional to me.
5/24/2004 7:11:17 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
Sounds pretty professional to me.



I hope you're kidding...

I read about the squared off stance from HKpro ("This is what they're teaching now")...

The rest, I made up on the fly. (not made up as in just typing it, made up as in this is what I do at the range because it seems logical)

Tell me you're kidding...

5/24/2004 7:15:52 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Sounds pretty professional to me.



I hope you're kidding...

I read about the squared off stance from HKpro ("This is what they're teaching now")...

The rest, I made up on the fly. (not made up as in just typing it, made up as in this is what I do at the range because it seems logical)

Tell me you're kidding...




Good to go!?
more info at this link
5/24/2004 7:16:16 PM EDT
[#6]
Your stance is going t change based on what type of shooting you're doing. If it's house clearing, CQB type stuff than squared up to your threat is what you want, 'front towards enemy', so that any round shot at you hits your vest and not your armpit where you have no protection (I lost a friend that way). If your shooting off hand match than I've seen some pretty bladed stances, like the way Mel Gibson shoots in . . .well all of his movies. I personally train like I fight, so 'front towrd enemy' it is.

Just me .02
5/24/2004 7:18:20 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
Good to go!



I'm not sure if I should be scared or happy.
5/24/2004 7:19:33 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Good to go!



I'm not sure if I should be scared or happy.



be happy
5/24/2004 7:27:14 PM EDT
[#9]
Hell, that works
5/25/2004 2:05:24 AM EDT
[#10]
All CQB should be "squared" at threat.  This allows better vision and quick reaction time turning left,right,up or down.  Firing "cocked" sideways disallows one to engage and "sight" threats minimally.  Engaging "squared", bent at knees (slightly) leaning forward, elbows as close and COMFORTABLE will allow for quick and accurate shots.  Your body is in position to stabilize itself and control your rifle, "squared" up.  Shooting "cocked" while trying to engage will 1) not lower your profile from incoming-i.e.-taking it in the armpit (like someone said)...2) enhance your chances of losing balance 3) minimize movement-i.e.-not covering your partners.  LEaning into your rifle will let you absorb much of its' felt recoil, rather that your shoulder taking all the heat.  For those of you who don't have a vert. grip, grab your magazine well.  Trigger hand should 'rotate' inwards (across body), fore grip hand should do the same, to make a 'torquing' effect...also allows more stability and control.  This is how a few schools teach, and this is also how we train.  We were allowed two runs on our range,initially.  One the way we THOUGHT we knew...and the other how this is taught.  Our shot groups and control really did improve significantly.  We train like such all the time.  When control and command of your weapon increase, so does teamwork.  Thanks for your time. -Deputy Dan

If you have any other ideas, post 'em.  We'd like to hear 'em.
5/25/2004 2:06:33 AM EDT
[#11]
Cellblock is on the money.
5/25/2004 7:06:52 AM EDT
[#12]
Around here, the "proper AR stance" is standing (or sitting in front of computer) with wallet open whilst ordering the latest and greatest gadget for your rifle.....
5/25/2004 7:09:27 AM EDT
[#13]
Nothing like moving thru a room and wacking your elbow on the door frame cause it was out too far.

Squared off is what we taught our guys prior to deploying. Maximum exposure of the "chicken plate" is the basic rule.

I was taught to put 30 out of 30 shot into a 3" circle at 5-10 meters and 30 of 30 into a 6" circle at 15-25 meters. Tough to do without alot of repetition. Took me over 500 rounds to achieve that standard.

Don't forget to shoot with both eyes open. That took me 2 days to master.
5/25/2004 8:19:24 AM EDT
[#14]
Appreciate the input. One other question and Im sure you touched on this, but I want to make sure. Im a right hand shot, and it feels better to wrap my weak hand around the magazine well, rather than the handguards. Is that correct or OK?
5/25/2004 8:44:46 AM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
Appreciate the input. One other question and Im sure you touched on this, but I want to make sure. Im a right hand shot, and it feels better to wrap my weak hand around the magazine well, rather than the handguards. Is that correct or OK?



Perfectly acceptable and has several advantages over holding the handguards.
5/25/2004 11:29:55 AM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Appreciate the input. One other question and Im sure you touched on this, but I want to make sure. Im a right hand shot, and it feels better to wrap my weak hand around the magazine well, rather than the handguards. Is that correct or OK?



Perfectly acceptable and has several advantages over holding the handguards.



Whatever helps you get the rifle tucked in. Some people use a vertical grip others just hold on to the mag well as you indicated. Either way works. Make yourself as mobile and as small as possible w/o losing benifit from you armor you wear. Also a 'front toward enemy' stance lets you move through someone if they are unarmed and noncompliant(read unarmed and giving you a case of the "but this is my house, I don't care if you have a warrant) with an impact push or a sharp elbow thrust.Has anyone seen a Claymore T-shirt? I think that would be kinda cool "FRONT TOWARD ENEMY" on the front and whatever a claymore mine says on the back on the back.
5/25/2004 12:48:27 PM EDT
[#17]
Per Swinestein and the VPC, we are supposed to shoot from the hip, pulling the trigger as fast as we can.
5/25/2004 12:54:01 PM EDT
[#18]
No matter WHAT stance you use, KEEP THOSE ELBOWS TUCKED IN.
5/25/2004 2:39:07 PM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
Has anyone seen a Claymore T-shirt? I think that would be kinda cool "FRONT TOWARD ENEMY" on the front and whatever a claymore mine says on the back on the back.


That would be awesome.
IM DVDTracker.
I bet he'd do it.
5/25/2004 6:50:28 PM EDT
[#20]
Non-firing hand on the mag well works very well for some. I used it during an Advanced Urban Combat Course (cause I didn't have a rail for my vertical grip yet) and had no problems. I've been shooting my M16A2 that way for years.
5/25/2004 7:09:30 PM EDT
[#21]
In a foxhole.
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