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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Which AR eats wolf reliably (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 4/7/2004 1:08:06 PM EDT
| When I get to Georgia I plan on getting an AR. I've read where folks have different experiences with Wolf ammo. I was thinking either a Bushmaster or Rock River. What's your suggestion? Thanks. |
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my suggestion is you not shoot wolf thru your AR15. it's kind of like trying to run Regular unleaded thru a corvette. she really needs Super. you can get Lake City Demilled for 125-150.00 a thousand. it's a much better round and won't blow your gun up. if you have to shoot wolf get a SKS or an AK. they are made to shoot it. |
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Either brand is good. RRA will save you some coin. I don't think that RRA chrome lines all their barrels. Bushmaster Chrome lines all thier barrles but their DCM, Varminter and Stainless. My Bushy ate about 100 rounds of Wolf w/o a problem. If you want to shoot Wolf make sure to get the 556 NATO chamber, and if you have not already, read the Ammo Oracal. [url]http://www.ammo-oracle.com/[/url] Read the Mag FAQ too.[url]http://magfaq.tripod.com/mags1.htm[/url] Edited to make link work |
| Its a crap shoot ! If Wolf works in your AR, you're lucky. My experience is that it doesn't work in my beater rifle, and I won't use it in my match rifle. Now I use XM193 - for me, the cost increase is more that compensated for by the knowledge that my rifle will go bang with authority every time I pull the trigger... whats that worth to you ? |
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Quoted: my suggestion is you not shoot wolf thru your AR15. it's kind of like trying to run Regular unleaded thru a corvette. she really needs Super. you can get Lake City Demilled for 125-150.00 a thousand. it's a much better round and won't blow your gun up. if you have to shoot wolf get a SKS or an AK. they are made to shoot it. An AR15 is SUPPOSED to be a military quality firearm not some nancy boy gun that chokes if it doesn't have the right ammo. I have shot PIIIIIIIIILES of wolf without trouble and I know guys who run it through their rental machineguns. I have shot THOUSANDS of rounds of Wolf through my Bushmasters (and my Beretta 92 and my Glocks, in addition to my AKs) I have had no problems. It is not as accurate as some ammo and smells funny, but for blasting crap it is fine. I would not buy it for self defense ammo, though I would not want to get shot with it [;)] I pissed away money for a year and half for more expensive ammo for plinkin' because of the "experts" here-BAH! PTUI! Not one round has failed to fire (oops I take that back I had a rouund of wolf that failed to fire in my AK last weekend, the primer was hit but the round did not fire), no ammo has stuck in the mysterious melting lacquer (which does not melt) my extractors have not flown off into space etc! However did we win WWII with all that steel cased ammo? Hell we were shooting CORROSIVE ammo, which is certainly nastier than Wolf. Ask Ammoman about how much Wolf he sells and how often he gets complaints if you are worried about it. Now to answer your question [:)] I personally have shot wolf through my Bushmaster AR, and I got one of my friends to shoot a bunch through his, does this mean that all Bushmasters will have no problems with Wolf? I don't know. The problems is although I see guys post about having problems with Wolf I have not seen it happen myself. I would think that the chrome lined barrel on the Bushies is a plus for using Wolf, though I know that you can at least get RRA m4 barrels with chrome lining. I would suggest getting a Bushmaster and trying some Wolf out to see how it goes. I guess there might be problems with Wolf, a few people have complained of problems here that seemed credible, I shoot it and have no problems and I shoot quite a bit. |
| I've shot thousands of rounds of Wolf through my AR15s and M16s with no problems in either semi or full. Most of the uppers I've used it in have been Bushmaster, but its run fine through an Oly upper with a SS barrel I also have. Like Aimless said, its not the most accurate stuff, and it does smell funny, but for cheap blasting ammo I'm quite happy with it. |
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Quoted: I do have to say that the new polymer coated Wolf seems to not be as dirty or smell as nasty. Boy that would be nice, that the only reason I don't like using it. Nasty stuff and not very accurate, but I must admit I've never had problems shooting it in any of my ARs. |
| Wolf performs fine for me, had a mini-14 I used to shoot wolf through, never had a problem, now I have a RRA 20" varmint and a RRA entry tactical, chrome-lined. This last weekend shot wolf through them for the first time, brother-in-law had some and I had the urge to do some shooting. Well shot 100 rds through the varmint and 300 rds through the entry tactical, neither one had a problem. Just let the nitro-solvent sit a little longer when cleaning, no big deal. So I figure that RRA will eat the stuff quite well too. |
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Quoted: [soapbox]Horsepucky! An AR15 is SUPPOSED to be a military quality firearm not some nancy boy gun that chokes if it doesn't have the right ammo. I have shot PIIIIIIIIILES of wolf without trouble and I know guys who run it through their rental machineguns. I have shot THOUSANDS of rounds of Wolf through my Bushmasters (and my Beretta 92 and my Glocks, in addition to my AKs) I have had no problems. It is not as accurate as some ammo and smells funny, but for blasting crap it is fine. I would not buy it for self defense ammo, though I would not want to get shot with it [;)] Last time I check the quality of US military equipment, and that of the combloc varried greatly. I have personally witnessed Wolf Ammunition cause several guns (including a Glock and AR) to catostrophically fail. It is not held to US quality control standards no matter what their packaging says. AR15s were not designed to run with steel cased lacquered or otherwise lubricated ammunition. Those of you who haven't had problems are either extremely lucky, or just have not shot it enough. It may work well enough for most of you. I would not risk it my own guns, company owned guns, and I highly encourage my friends not to use it. Our owners manual states that using Wolf ammo voids the warranty on our rifles (many other companies have similar policies.). This is simply a release of liability in the event your rifle catostrophically fails or does not work due to a known problem factor, you don't blame us. Your rifle, your ammunition, your magazines, and you are all a system, if one of those things is not correct or does not do its job the system will not work. The Winchester ammo Walmart sells and the Federal XM193 are relatively cheap and offer much better performance than Wolf without any of the associated problems. Using good ammunition is cheap insurance for keeping YOU and your gun in working order. edit: I don't want to argue with anyone so consider this a public service announcement. Fortunately none of the guys shooting the guns I saw KB from Wolf ammo were injured in anyway. Always wear your eye protection. |
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Man.... there sure are a ton of "lucky" people out there. [rolleyes] Count me in as someone that has shot 1000s of rounds of Wolf with no problems. Although the tales of the old laquer creating a wall of slime that jams your weapon shut and the steel casing shattering 1911 extractors into hundereds of pieces are quite humorous. |
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Welcome aboard JD8! Don't hold the Wolf stuff again SinistralRifleman, he's our buddy; this is just one of our weekly (daily?) Wolf debates[;)] PS-No kidding on the eye protection! But then again Russell is the one that has convinced me that I need body armor [:P] |
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My Bushmaster eats Wolf like candy, which is to say it rots its teeth. [BD]. I have no reliability issues with Wolf at all, but the people who say "less accurate" are seriously understating the case. My groups more than doubled in size in comparison to Q3131A. This did not please me. |
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Quoted: Welcome aboard JD8! Don't hold the Wolf stuff again SinistralRifleman, he's our buddy; this is just one of our weekly (daily?) Wolf debates[;)] PS-No kidding on the eye protection! But then again Russell is the one that has convinced me that I need body armor [:P] Thank you sir for the welcome. Yeah I'm on several handgun forums and it's an every week occurence. |
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Quoted: Welcome aboard JD8! Don't hold the Wolf stuff again SinistralRifleman, he's our buddy; this is just one of our weekly (daily?) Wolf debates[;)] PS-No kidding on the eye protection! But then again Russell is the one that has convinced me that I need body armor [:P] Every gun owner should own at least a level IIIA vest....just another piece of safety equipment as far as I'm concerned. You never know when its your turn to be judged under Murphy's Law. (The guys that had their guns blow up shooting wolf ammo never saw it coming either) [;)] |
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Quoted: Quoted: Welcome aboard JD8! Don't hold the Wolf stuff again SinistralRifleman, he's our buddy; this is just one of our weekly (daily?) Wolf debates[;)] PS-No kidding on the eye protection! But then again Russell is the one that has convinced me that I need body armor [:P] Every gun owner should own at least a level IIIA vest....just another piece of safety equipment as far as I'm concerned. You never know when its your turn to be judged under Murphy's Law. (The guys that had their guns blow up shooting wolf ammo never saw it coming either) [;)] Not to hijack, but Thunder Ranch now has a statement that body armor is supplied under certain circumstances, I don't know what but would guess for training inside buildings. |
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I have put 8000 rounds of Wolf through my various AR15s. Most of it has gone though a single Bushmaster but my Colts and Oly never skipped a beat with it either. Not a single malfunction when firing Wolf in any AR I own. I have also fired a 4 day formal class using Wolf without a single malfunction and more than adequate accuracy. I shot the high score in the class and won the man on man shoot off. |
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Truth is- if you aren't spending at minimum $400 for a case of ammo, running Mil-Spec premium mags with the Green Followers, sporting the newest tactical vest from Blackhawk, with of course your "nothing less than the rest are just a copy" Colt- then you may experience some jams. I would suggest you sell your car, get with the program, and mortgage your house- because an AR won't run unless you care. |
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Wolf! Let me tell you about Wolf! It loves my guns, wohoooooo. The crap you buy at wally world is made to poorer standards then the Wolf. I would trust Russian ammo before I trust ammo from China and I don't care if it's brass cased. Wolf metal cases work great. I have fired upwards of 20,000rds of Wolf with no problems. KBs can happen with any ammo made by anyone. I have never seen or heard of a KB by Wolf. |
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If you fire Wolf ammo thru your AR, you are going to have broken extractors, FTEs and blow your AR up!! Also...masturbation will make you go blind. You should wait an hour after eating before you swim. Elvis is alive and living as a shoe salesman in San Fancisco. The Apollo Moon landing was filmed on a sound stage. Seriously though. I always see people bad mouthing Wolf but never actually see any reports of the problems these critics claim to exist. I have not seen ONE broken extractor report, not one KB, nothing. If anyone has any proof of this in a substantial enough amount to justify the ammo being any more of a liability than any other ammo, please post some fact and back them up with some photos or something. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Welcome aboard JD8! Don't hold the Wolf stuff again SinistralRifleman, he's our buddy; this is just one of our weekly (daily?) Wolf debates[;)] PS-No kidding on the eye protection! But then again Russell is the one that has convinced me that I need body armor [:P] Every gun owner should own at least a level IIIA vest....just another piece of safety equipment as far as I'm concerned. You never know when its your turn to be judged under Murphy's Law. (The guys that had their guns blow up shooting wolf ammo never saw it coming either) [;)] Not to hijack, but Thunder Ranch now has a statement that body armor is supplied under certain circumstances, I don't know what but would guess for training inside buildings. we used Flack Jackets at TR in their shoot houses. |
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I've put about a 1000 rounds of Wolf downrange with no problems. I've put close to 4000 rounds of Bernaul downrange and didn't have any problems until a couple weeks ago. I was about halfway through the dumping the 13th 30 round mag in about 15 or 20 minutes (actually the 8th mag in 2 or 3 minutes and the RRA A2 handguard was getting too hot to comfortably hold) when a case glued itself to the inside of the chamber hard enough that an aluminum cleaning rod bent without doing anything to loosen the stuck case. This was in an FN A2 barrel with the milspec chamber. |
| One thing I have noticed with Wolf Ammo is that sometimes it is a bit out of specs. Their 45 seems to be the worst about it, occassionally the cases are a bit too long and will swage into the forcing cones of some of my pistols (HK USP being the worst) this will cause the pistol lock up slightly out of battery. |
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I've never had problems with wolf ammo. I've never seen anyone with Wolf problems. Maybe it has somethign to do with how you initially use your rifle, though. On all the rifles I own, I've started with brass cased ammo before switching to wolf; maybe the brass casings have a smoothing effect on the chamber that the laquer plugs up if used from the outset. I think some people just have defective chambers. |
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I will take an educated guess that the AR that eats wolf reliably would be.... Well, if there was is an animal , it [b]must[/b] be this..... [img]http://www.tactical-weapons.com/pic%20for%20web/ar47std1.JPG[/img] [img]http://www.tactical-weapons.com/pic%20for%20web/ar47std2.JPG[/img] A truly rebolusionary new riffle — Based on the M160, this riffle is improoved to shoot the Rushian 7.62*39 rounds and eccepts both Ak stick and Drum magazines. Desined and enginerd to deliber xcepsional shoting purformance, these finaly alows the shoooting pubic a acurate alternative to a AK47 style wepon. The gun come in the flat top Picaninny rail uper only with front fixed site (carrier handle not included, but is standard M160A4 career handel). Detatable 5, 30 round AK47 stick clips as well as 75 and 90 round AK Drums are vailable. The errgonomic and clean lines of the Ar47 are funksional and modern, giving the AR47 the look and feel of the current M160A6 battle riffle [lol] All bullshittin aside, I tried it once, worked so-so, weapon was so dirty AND teh smell of the burning ammonia was so strong, I dumped it. I know a guy with 100K easy in Class III....shoots it all day long, no problem. YMMV. |
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I've lost count of the thousands of rounds of Russian ammo I have fired through all my guns. I have had a couple of hiccups do to the ammo, but I have had more problems using brass cased ammo then I have with steel cased ammo. As one person already stated, wear eye protection while shooting because any ammo can cause a KB. |
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