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Posted: 12/16/2003 10:02:56 PM EDT
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anyone ever purchased anything from model1sales.com, they have really good prices one their Kit's. It's the whole AR without the Lower. I'm just wondering how their products are, anyone have any feedback? |
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Quoted: The upper I bought from them runs 100%. Fit and finish is good. The only problem with it is that the rear sight needed to be dialed all the way to the left to zero it. Good upper for the money.. I'd buy from them again. Same, except mine have to be dialed all the way to the right[:P]. No problems other than that really. |
| I bought a 20" SST Match A2 upper from them, aside from having to float the barrel it shoots well enough at 100 yds. Although its tough to get it to shoot under 2" at 200 yds. I have had no problems with it and they seem to back what they sell so i wouldn't worry about getting taken or anything. You'll get a good product. Hope this helps. |
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No, that is incorrect. I have spoken with them personnally at several gunshows at Dallas Market Hall, when I was researching a kit build. I asked them point blank who manufactured their parts. They said their barrels were made by E.R. Shaw, and other parts were from various sources, many of the major parts such as recievers were by US military subcontractors, but they wouldn't say exactly who and were quite vague about this, which did not impress me. I didn't buy a kit, but the friend who did was quite happy with it, the quality was fine, and it is an accurate shooter. |
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Quoted: No, that is incorrect. I have spoken with them personnally at several gunshows at Dallas Market Hall, when I was researching a kit build. I asked them point blank who manufactured their parts. They said their barrels were made by E.R. Shaw, and other parts were from various sources, many of the major parts such as recievers were by US military subcontractors, but they wouldn't say exactly who and were quite vague about this, which did not impress me. I didn't buy a kit, but the friend who did was quite happy with it, the quality was fine, and it is an accurate shooter. DR I supply LULAs to Model 1. They are nice folks and I have bought barrels and assorted parts from them for some of my personal builds. Quality has been fine and the ER Shaw barrels shoot very well. As to them not telling who they get their parts from, that is private business information. Relationships build up over the years in the industry and that kind of information is a trade secret. I can understand a person wanting to know who made a part but I can also understand their not wanting to give up their sources too. As long as the quality is up to snuff who cares? Denny |
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Quoted: Quoted: No, that is incorrect. I have spoken with them personnally at several gunshows at Dallas Market Hall, when I was researching a kit build. I asked them point blank who manufactured their parts. They said their barrels were made by E.R. Shaw, and other parts were from various sources, many of the major parts such as recievers were by US military subcontractors, but they wouldn't say exactly who and were quite vague about this, which did not impress me. I didn't buy a kit, but the friend who did was quite happy with it, the quality was fine, and it is an accurate shooter. DR I supply LULAs to Model 1. They are nice folks and I have bought barrels and assorted parts from them for some of my personal builds. Quality has been fine and the ER Shaw barrels shoot very well. As to them not telling who they get their parts from, that is private business information. Relationships build up over the years in the industry and that kind of information is a trade secret. I can understand a person wanting to know who made a part but I can also understand their not wanting to give up their sources too. As long as the quality is up to snuff who cares? Denny I agree they are nice folks, their parts are up to snuff, and they do stand behind them. Having said that I am a picky consumer. I even go so far as to query the major manufacturers such as Bushmaster and DPMS who makes their parts when they are not made in house - the biggest issue have had is the quality of lower receiver small parts kits - in the end I usually get an answer or am able to figure it out from stampings and the like. I just want to know, if they are good parts I don't think they should keep it a secret, but that's just me. It's like when I queried M&A parts who made their major components. It was always an answer like "current military contractor" and then it was Fabrique Nationale Herstal - well I called FN and they said they do not sell to the public, their barrels are stamped FNMI, it turns out they are getting their current parts from subcontractors to FN. While M&A's kits are good quality, all I want is a straight answer. If I ask Sears who makes their Kenmore brand washers, they will tell me it is whirlpool. When building a parts AR15, it is important to me; there have been some cases of cheap chinese made parts such as flat top carry handles that have crooked rails, this is the sort of thing I am trying to avoid. They don't have to tell me, but I don;t think I am being unreasonable in asking, IMO!! |
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I bought their CAR kit (16") in 1999. Shipping was delayed for a couple months because everybody else was trying to buy rifles too. Oh well. 1) They shipped it to me without a bolt assembly because they were backordered for who knows how long (agreed upon by me). I purchased a bolt assembly on my own, and had trouble before I got the carrier key staked in [:)] 2) I *was* going to get a stripped lower and assemble it, but I wanted the rifle *now* (haha) and they had some complete Bushmaster lowers locally so I bought one. Now I have a set of parts for the lower in case something breaks. I did notice the Bushmaster parts were higher quality than the ones provided by Model 1 Sales (i.e. Bushmaster had a metal buffer tube, Mod 1 Sales had plastic, along with other plastic parts). The gun shoots great, I even decided to try Wolf ammo recently and put a couple hundred rounds through it with no ill effects so far. |
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Only complaint I hear is their mail-order customer service can be spotty; I avoid that problem by buying direct from them at local gun shows. I've built several guns using their uppers, bolt groups and lower parts kits, and all have run fine. Their uppers are a nice finish match to my Bushmaster lowers, and I find them preferable to the flat black of the DPMS, RRA and Oly. I prefer a chrome-lined barrel, so I generally get my barrels from another vendor. My 20" bull-barreled upper (1x8 stainless Wilson) was purchased assembled from Model 1. It will shoot sub-MOA with Winchester Q-loads, and sub-1/2 MOA with Federal GMM, if the jerk on the trigger does his part. |
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Notice that a couple of you guys report that your pieces shoot all the way left, or right. I'm assuming that your barrel and upper came assemblrd. If so, you got improperly assembled units and should return them for adjustment. I don't care how high a quality the parts are; if they're assembled improperly, it's not a good deal. It only takes an extra five minutes to assure proper alignment of the barrel and upper during assembly. If they're not doing that; I don't want to do business with them[:D] |
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I bought a CAR 16 kit from them and it was shipped within a day of purchase. It arrived in a cardboard box and wrapped in news paper, all the parts were there. During assembly I realized that the lower parts kit would not go together. Turns out that the safety selector was completely hosed. I called Model 1 back and the guy said “you can send it back and we will send you a new piece, or you can pay for it and we will send it out to you and once we receive the part we will refund you the cost.” I decided to pay for a safety selector, hammer and trigger upfront just to be sure I had it covered. A week later I had not received the parts, but I had been billed. I called and he said they had been mailed via us mail. I waited another week and nothing. I called again and the guy told me he would send it out “today”. Seems that the others had not actually been sent. 4 days later the parts arrive and are a perfect fit. I mailed the other parts back registered mail and they were received 2 days later. I waited a week and the refund never showed up. I called and the guy said he would do it “Right Now”. I waited a month and it didn’t show up. It was only 38 bucks but it was MY 38 bucks so I wanted it back. I called again and a woman answered and she asked around and said it would happen “Today”. About a month later it hadn’t showed up so I called and the guy said he would do it “Right now”, I heard the little printer thing going and then he said it was “Done”. About a month later I figured I would never see the refund and just blew it off as a learning experience. To my surprise, about 4 months later the refund showed up. The kit is nice, it matches my bushmaster lower perfectly and shoots great. I have had a malfunction now and again but the cause was determined to be a faulty magazine. I have shot some wolf ammo out of it but it’s crap. Having been through the process, I would never buy wolf again. I bought 1000 rounds and it shoots ok, but it’s dirty as hell and the cost savings is just not there. |
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Quoted: The upper I bought from them runs 100%. Fit and finish is good. The only problem with it is that the rear sight needed to be dialed all the way to the left to zero it. Good upper for the money.. I'd buy from them again. Quoted: Quoted: The upper I bought from them runs 100%. Fit and finish is good. The only problem with it is that the rear sight needed to be dialed all the way to the left to zero it. Good upper for the money.. I'd buy from them again. Same, except mine have to be dialed all the way to the right[:P]. No problems other than that really. I think this issue has been covered on a Q & A on the Bushmaster site. [url]http://www.bushmaster.com/faqnew/content_by_cat.asp?contentid=154&catid=96[/url] The portion about what you are talking about: Installing a barrel is really pretty simple. Solving some of the problems you can run into isn't. Probably the most common problem is excessive windage present after the installation. The rear sight will be cranked all the way to one side. This is one time the manual doesn't help much, most military armorer learn this trick early. Here's how to fix it. Clamp the barrel in a vise, using barrel blocks. Line up the front sight carefully on a vertical line, just like the book says. First tighten up the barrel nut - hand tight, not torque to prevent damage to receiver. Now, look at your receiver. Chances are it's leaning off to one side -when compared to the front sight. Using a non-marring hammer, hit the side of the carrying handle, as near to the front as you can. This will rotate the receiver slightly to one side or the other. Here's the trick, hit on the side that the rear aperture is furthest away from. In other words, try to move the receiver towards the rear sight. Be careful, you don't have to kill it, just a firm tap will usually do the trick. If the barrel is straight, aligning the receiver forging with the front sight forging will usually put the windage adjustment right in the middle, and it takes about a minute to do it. Simple! So bascially, what Bushy is saying, who ever assembled the upper, didn't know the trick or bothered to check. |
| I just built a model 1 C.A.R. on a stripped Eagle lower from quantico. Build went excellent and test firing confirms that it is more accurate than I. More info to follow as I further test it. Thanks to everyone on this site, as this is all I needed for my first build !!! |
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