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Posted: 11/22/2003 4:27:53 AM EDT
The continuing adventures of my new toy!

I have taken a few video caps of the ar firing British military surplus ammo (RG)

First pic is with the flash hider:
http://www.water-filters.clara.co.uk/muzzon1.htm

Second pic is with the flash hider off.

http://www.water-filters.clara.co.uk/muzzoff2.htm

I am playing with small media files to upload. If I get them sorted I will post them somewhere to have a look at. (bounce)
Link Posted: 11/22/2003 5:08:57 AM EDT
All you need is a post-ban rifle to see the same thing.[;)]
Link Posted: 11/22/2003 7:11:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/22/2003 7:12:46 PM EDT by _DR]
Made them hot. [img]http://www.water-filters.clara.co.uk/muzzon1.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.water-filters.clara.co.uk/muzzoff1.jpg[/img] makes a big difference with the flash hider it seems - looks like you have a flamethrower! What kind of ammo were you using?
Link Posted: 11/22/2003 7:55:32 PM EDT
Pardon my ignorance, but is that a Vortex, or a Phantom? The FS looks to be open, not closed like the A2 birdcage. And that kind of flash reduction looks like what the Vortex or Phantom would do.
Link Posted: 11/22/2003 8:00:11 PM EDT
That's a Vortex.
Link Posted: 11/22/2003 9:39:46 PM EDT
wow, that's a huge difference
Link Posted: 11/22/2003 11:34:20 PM EDT
WOW! me wan pre-ban.... me wan flash hider..... Oh wait, I want to finish my post-ban build first[50] That is very COOL
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 12:22:20 AM EDT
Originally Posted By _DR: Made them hot. [url]http://www.water-filters.clara.co.uk/muzzon1.jpg[/url] [url]http://www.water-filters.clara.co.uk/muzzoff1.jpg[/url] makes a big difference with the flash hider it seems - looks like you have a flamethrower! What kind of ammo were you using?
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The ammo is british military surplus. Radway green. I tried some isreali mil surplus. More expensive, but seemed more consistant.
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 7:03:15 AM EDT
I saw a similar thing yesterday... Lent the guy next to me a handful of XM193 for his post ban Dissipator. Two foot fireball in broad daylight. Not a sparkle out of my 6920 w/ Vortex. Of course, the blast from my friend's Armalite 16" w/ brake made the fireball seem like a good choice [;)]
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 10:50:45 AM EDT
Cool pics bbutter. What's even cooler is that he is a private citizen shooting the AR15 in the UK!
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 12:50:10 PM EDT
That's pretty incredible. Can anyone explain how it works?
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 12:55:18 PM EDT
It amazes me that people will build rifles and use A2 flash suppressors in an attempt to look more authentic when the Phantom and Vortex designs are far more effective.
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 5:44:22 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 5:54:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Troy: That's a standard A1 FS by the look of it, though it could be an A2. It's hard to tell in the pic, but it absolutely is not a Vortex or Phantom, both of which are considerably longer. -Troy
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Agreed, 100%
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 7:54:45 PM EDT
It is not an A2, because it is open ended. It looks to me like one of the shorter Vortex-style knock-offs you see at gun shows for $15.
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 9:15:12 PM EDT
Originally Posted By triburst1: It amazes me that people will build rifles and use A2 flash suppressors in an attempt to look more authentic when the Phantom and Vortex designs are far more effective.
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Both the Phantom and Vortex kick up dust in the prone. I will stick to flash hiders that have a closed bottom.
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 9:23:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DevL:
Originally Posted By triburst1: It amazes me that people will build rifles and use A2 flash suppressors in an attempt to look more authentic when the Phantom and Vortex designs are far more effective.
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Both the Phantom and Vortex kick up dust in the prone. I will stick to flash hiders that have a closed bottom.
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As soon as I can get a new 14.5 upper, my old Bushmaster is going off to KKF for one of his long A2's for that very reason. I proned out on the side of a wash one time and within 5 shots could no longer see my target using my old style Phantom. Sure its not "the best" but the A2 does well enough for me in night firing.
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 10:13:52 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Troy:
Originally Posted By 1911ar-15: Pardon my ignorance, but is that a Vortex, or a Phantom? The FS looks to be open, not closed like the A2 birdcage. And that kind of flash reduction looks like what the Vortex or Phantom would do.
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That's a standard A1 FS by the look of it, though it could be an A2. It's hard to tell in the pic, but it absolutely is not a Vortex or Phantom, both of which are considerably longer. -Troy
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I myself haven't a clue what the flahider is and I bought it! here is a link to a better capture, to help perhaps. http://www.water-filters.clara.co.uk/flashider.htm regards bbutter
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 10:36:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Originally Posted By DevL:
Originally Posted By triburst1: It amazes me that people will build rifles and use A2 flash suppressors in an attempt to look more authentic when the Phantom and Vortex designs are far more effective.
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Both the Phantom and Vortex kick up dust in the prone. I will stick to flash hiders that have a closed bottom.
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As soon as I can get a new 14.5 upper, my old Bushmaster is going off to KKF for one of his long A2's for that very reason. I proned out on the side of a wash one time and within 5 shots could no longer see my target using my old style Phantom. Sure its not "the best" but the A2 does well enough for me in night firing.
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Same here. Most of my shootings are done in prone position and it is very disturbing.
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 10:45:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/23/2003 10:46:03 PM EDT by Leisure_Shoot]
bbutter, here's your pic [image]http://www.water-filters.clara.co.uk/flashhider.jpg[/image]
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 10:57:44 PM EDT
I'm too high and mighty to get down and dirty. I like my Vortex. [;D]
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 10:58:43 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/23/2003 11:00:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AK_Mike: I'm too high and mighty to get down and dirty. I like my Vortex. [;D]
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To paraphrase Clint Smith: The only way you got shot is by them seeing you. [;)]
Link Posted: 11/24/2003 3:17:45 AM EDT
do i recall reading something about Radway Green ammo being underloaded towork in British rifles? If thats the case, using milspec ammo would have likely produced even moe flash!!!
Link Posted: 11/24/2003 4:03:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/24/2003 4:04:27 AM EDT by triburst1]
Is that really the same FS from the earlier pic??? In the first pic it seems that you can see the rounded ends of the prongs and the inside of the prong on the far side, leading me to believe it is an open-ended unit. Maybe its an optical illusion.
Link Posted: 11/24/2003 8:16:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By new-arguy: do i recall reading something about Radway Green ammo being underloaded towork in British rifles? If thats the case, using milspec ammo would have likely produced even moe flash!!!
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Is the "underloaded" Brit ammo an urban myth? I am completely new to the game, and cannot say. What i can say is that I am sure that it runs at higher pressures thatn the Isreali mil surplus, because the bolt is harder to operate. Something that you tend to notice when you are not allowed the gas system. bounce
Link Posted: 11/24/2003 8:20:07 AM EDT
Originally Posted By triburst1: Is that really the same FS from the earlier pic??? In the first pic it seems that you can see the rounded ends of the prongs and the inside of the prong on the far side, leading me to believe it is an open-ended unit. Maybe its an optical illusion.
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Same flash hider. Just a better picture.
Link Posted: 11/24/2003 8:32:28 AM EDT
I think that's an artifact of the video capture process. The rear shoulder of the FH is identical in both pics.
Link Posted: 11/24/2003 11:47:14 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/24/2003 5:46:13 PM EDT
Thank you for clarifying that Troy, knew I had read something about that, but was not sure what it was exactly.
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