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Posted: 11/14/2003 6:50:56 AM EDT
What do you prefer? ARs with or without comp's
My vote is without! Don't need all that blast/dbs in my face or those around me.

They do look cool, however so would a fake/brake??
Your thoughts guys?
Link Posted: 11/14/2003 7:08:21 AM EDT
If you are getting one of the KKF MBs, I'd say go for it. I hate the bare muzzle look. However, don't put anything like mini-Y comp on it. Also, in less than a year, you might be able to put a functioning FS instead.
Link Posted: 11/14/2003 7:19:31 AM EDT
Originally Posted By MaverickMkii: If you are getting one of the KKF MBs, I'd say go for it. I hate the bare muzzle look. However, don't put anything like mini-Y comp on it. Thanks man! I've got a naked Colt 20", and would like to protect the crown. My son has a 16" and would like to protect our EARS! BTW his 16" has a 10 hole comp thats even louder than those mini ys!!
Link Posted: 11/14/2003 7:26:32 AM EDT
I just got back my 16" barrel from Kurt with his tac brake installed. Took it to the range to zero and I was impressed. Almost no muzzle flip at all and I didnt' find the noise a problem. Guy next to me was firing a 7mm and it was way louder.
Link Posted: 11/14/2003 9:10:05 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/14/2003 10:41:36 AM EDT
Looks great!
Link Posted: 11/15/2003 7:37:17 AM EDT
IMHO AR-15`s need something at the end of their barrels. A Flash Hider for Prebans, or a FakeFlash Hider for Postbans. But thats just me.
Link Posted: 11/15/2003 8:13:53 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 223spree: IMHO AR-15`s need something at the end of their barrels.
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Agree. (I'm betting that the vast majority of us want a flash suppressor and not a flash hider. Not many flash hider's been used since WWII. Sort like clip and mag - there is a difference.)
Link Posted: 11/15/2003 8:18:18 AM EDT
I've been wondering something for a while now, might aswell ask here. Why does Bushmaster put Mini-Y's on their rifles if they are so widely recognized as too loud/unnecessary/bad, as opposed to a fake flash hider or another type of brake? I have a Bushy M4 and don't particularly mind the brake, but it seems like I'm in the minority. It is a bit loud though :)
Link Posted: 11/15/2003 8:24:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/15/2003 8:25:11 AM EDT by GoldtopDude]
Originally Posted By 223spree: IMHO AR-15`s need something at the end of their barrels. A Flash Hider for Prebans, or a FakeFlash Hider for Postbans. But thats just me.
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Want something to protect the crown and look cool, however I want the blast/DBLs down range. Got to be a fake or none. I'm a guitar player and need my ears.
Link Posted: 11/15/2003 8:38:44 AM EDT
I have a mini-y on my Bushy M4 type. I think it looks pretty cool. I also notice to muzzle rise and seems very controllable. With respect to muzzle control, I feel very little difference when I fire XM183 versus 22LR (using the the ciener bolt convesion kit). I guess I am not clear why the mini-y is unpopular. Loudness? How much louder is it, 50%, 75%, 100% louder? At the range, my AR does seem like the loudest rifle there...at par with the shot guns. But I thought that was due to the LC XM183 ammo.
Link Posted: 11/15/2003 9:11:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/15/2003 9:14:26 AM EDT by Cato]
I would go with the Rock River Arms mock comp barrel. Gives you the look of a 14.5"+ flash hider, while still being a 16" and protects the muzzle too. Here in Austria flash hiders are a no-no too, so that is the logical choice. Ever shot a muzzle brake indoors? For a defense rifle- forget it! Regards Cato
Link Posted: 11/15/2003 9:22:40 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Hank_Rearden1: I guess I am not clear why the mini-y is unpopular. Loudness? How much louder is it, 50%, 75%, 100% louder? At the range, my AR does seem like the loudest rifle there...at par with the shot guns. But I thought that was due to the LC XM183 ammo.
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Try the same AR bbl style with and without a comp. Its a lot louder as well as putting some (for me anyway) unwanted shock waves your & (those around you) way.
Link Posted: 11/15/2003 10:46:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/15/2003 10:47:17 AM EDT by MaverickMkii]
mini-Y comp SEEMS to be doing its job, mainly blowing stuff to me and making crazy noise. With bare / FS muzzle, it sounds like a pop. With mini-Y comp, it sounds like a lightning crack. [whacko] I have a 20" rifle with bare muzzle, and I really can't notice any difference in recoil unless I start shooting more than 1 round per sec. I would really like to suppress this mini-Y comp until the AWB goes out of window. I thought putting crap around it, but I'm afraid that it would blow that stuff away too.
Link Posted: 11/15/2003 12:06:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/15/2003 7:37:34 PM EDT by _DR]
If I had to do it again, I would not put a comp/brake on. Too loud, affects accuracy adversely and the AR15 does not kick enough to warrant it. A fake flash hider would be my choice for a post ban, in hindsight. My Cav comp is loud and obnoxious, I can't wait for the AWB to sunset (knock on wood) so I can get rid of it and put a proper FH on it.
Link Posted: 11/15/2003 12:53:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By _DR: If I had to do it again, I would not put a comp/brake on. Too loud, affects accuracy adversely and the AR15 does not kick enough to warrant it. A fake flash hider would be my choice for a post ban, in hindsight. My Cav comp is loud and obnoxious, I can't wait for the AWB to sunset (knock on wood) so I can get rid of it and put a proper FH on it.
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I agree!
Link Posted: 11/15/2003 7:05:46 PM EDT
For my post-ban BM 16" carbine, I have a Smith Enterprises comp. It works extremely well and redirects flash in a positive manner too. As for fake flash suppressors, I still can't figure out why you would want anything that's "fake" on a rifle??!! It just doesn't make sense to me.
Link Posted: 11/15/2003 7:38:43 PM EDT
Think of it as a muzzle protector, and a thread protector as well.
Link Posted: 11/15/2003 8:17:15 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/15/2003 8:34:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/15/2003 8:38:33 PM EDT by GoldtopDude]
For some the fake/comp would protect the bbl crown as well as looking good. Muzzle rise is not a problem for me.
Link Posted: 11/15/2003 8:55:09 PM EDT
If you don't need the recoil or barrel rise reduction of the comp, using a fake flash hider looks good but your better off with the full 16" barrel. According to the Ammo Oracle a 16" barrel gets good terminal performance out to 140-150 yards and a 14 1/2" 90-100 yards. Thats 33% better which is allot considering the range. The fake flash hiders do look cool though.
Link Posted: 11/15/2003 9:09:10 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/15/2003 9:31:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/15/2003 9:32:27 PM EDT by gmtmaster]
Ive got a KKF A2 tac brake on my 20" BM.. Much better look than a bare bbl. I figured if I am going to spend $ on a muzzle device it should do something, instead of just be there. The brake he put on for me is a bit louder and the recoil is less, even though there wasnt much to begin with. It is now just about like shooting a 10/22 W/ Stingers. Still much fun and my ammo is going faster now!
Link Posted: 11/15/2003 10:12:49 PM EDT
Originally Posted By gmtmaster: Ive got a KKF A2 tac brake on my 20" BM.. Much better look than a bare bbl. I figured if I am going to spend $ on a muzzle device it should do something, instead of just be there. The brake he put on for me is a bit louder and the recoil is less, even though there wasnt much to begin with. It is now just about like shooting a 10/22 W/ Stingers. Still much fun and my ammo is going faster now!
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So it isn't that much louder than a bare barrel? Also is it possible to have a perminatly installed tac brake removed and an A2 flash supressor installed when the AWB expires?
Link Posted: 11/16/2003 12:02:10 AM EDT
Took some nonshooters shooting once. They shot my 16 inch with a phantom because the noise of the muzzle broken 20" Armalite was excessive. I think the Armalite is way louder than my 14.5.
Link Posted: 11/16/2003 4:21:25 AM EDT
I have a device on my Bushmaster that reduces flash, blast, muzzle rise and increases velocity by well over 200 fps. It's also completely legal. It's a very old idea called "24 inch barrel"
Link Posted: 11/16/2003 4:57:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/16/2003 4:58:40 AM EDT by GoldtopDude]
[:D]
Link Posted: 11/16/2003 5:06:54 AM EDT
Originally Posted By mildbill39: I have a device on my Bushmaster that reduces flash, blast, muzzle rise and increases velocity by well over 200 fps. It's also completely legal. It's a very old idea called "24 inch barrel"
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[:\] I've got a naked 20" Colt MT, and my son has a 16" with a 10 HOLE COMP(6 point our way)[>Q] I'm looking to first fix his 16" to save our ears! Next the 20" to protect the crown.
Link Posted: 11/16/2003 11:49:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/16/2003 11:50:43 AM EDT by _DR]
Originally Posted By SinistralRifleman: Recoil isn't the issue with AR15s, muzzle rise is what you want to control. The CAV Comp does that quite effectively, though it does make the report louder (especially on carbines). In my experience the Cav Comp is a pussy-cat compared to the Y-Comp and a lot of the other comps/brakes on the market....ever shoot with a JP Brake? Those things sound like a cannon. I can see why given the choice some users would want a bare muzzle...the fake flash hider thing doesn't make sense to me though. The pressed on ones are even harder to get off than a permanntly attached comp.
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KKF makes a thread-on fake suppressor that uses the 1/2x28 standard threads. It can be pinned also to be legal. He makes an A2 and A3 model. It can be removed (de-pinned, like the Cav comp) and the threads used for a true flash hider if the AWB sunsets. [img]http://www.kurtskustomfirearms.citymax.com/i/section_10746/A3FFSMS.jpg[/img]A3 [img]http://www.kurtskustomfirearms.citymax.com/t/section_10746/NewFFSPV.jpg[/img]A2 Don't get me wrong, the Cav Comp I had threaded and pinned is a quality product, and for rapid fire it does make a difference in muzzle rise, but I just think I would prefer a quieter rifle, my target crowned DCM AR15 rifle makes a nice when I pull the trigger, with the Cav Comp it's more like a . It's not as bad as the mini-y, you are right, that thing is downright obnoxious. Just my preference, but a thread on Fake flash hider is no more trouble than a thread on comp or brake, they both have to be pinned to be legal, both are de-pinned the same way after AWB sunset.
Link Posted: 11/16/2003 12:34:52 PM EDT
Works for me, thanks _DR!
Link Posted: 11/16/2003 7:14:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/16/2003 7:15:04 PM EDT by SinistralRifleman]
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