New RIII (Page 2 of 7)
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Originally Posted By Paulie771: Thank you to the whole of DD for making this change! Any chance some of these will be available pinned and welded or will they all be sold as factory SBRs? The M4A1 will be pinned/welded. |
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Originally Posted By Marler5811: The M4A1 will be pinned/welded. Originally Posted By Marler5811: Originally Posted By Paulie771: Thank you to the whole of DD for making this change! Any chance some of these will be available pinned and welded or will they all be sold as factory SBRs? The M4A1 will be pinned/welded. Hell yea! This will be my next purchase as soon as they're available. |
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Originally Posted By ngc1300: When can we expect to see the RISIII rifles hitting shelves? Also are there any other improvements besides the Ambi lowers? They'll be arriving to dealers in April. Integrated Ambi components and the handguard are the key improvements. |
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Originally Posted By Paulie771: Thank you to the whole of DD for making this change! Any chance some of these will be available pinned and welded or will they all be sold as factory SBRs? Seems like it would be kinda weird if they didn't offer a pinned-and-welded version of the M4A1 RIII, given that the original M4A1 (with the RIS II) is sold pinned-and-welded on the civilian market. |
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Originally Posted By VigilantPanda15: Seems like it would be kinda weird if they didn't offer a pinned-and-welded version of the M4A1 RIII, given that the original M4A1 (with the RIS II) is sold pinned-and-welded on the civilian market. Originally Posted By VigilantPanda15: Originally Posted By Paulie771: Thank you to the whole of DD for making this change! Any chance some of these will be available pinned and welded or will they all be sold as factory SBRs? Seems like it would be kinda weird if they didn't offer a pinned-and-welded version of the M4A1 RIII, given that the original M4A1 (with the RIS II) is sold pinned-and-welded on the civilian market. Thanks for the info. I’m far from an expert on the ins-and-outs of every model of rifle DD offers. |
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Originally Posted By pezboytate: The issued URG-Is do not have the steel insert. This is a Daniel Defense forum. I was implying the current DD mlok rails, not the bendy shower curtain rod rails. Your post does reaffirm how bad they suck, super thin and no steel reinforcement. Sorry if I lead you to believe I was talking about those garbage rods. |
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Originally Posted By ngc1300: This is a Daniel Defense forum. I was implying the current DD mlok rails, not the bendy shower curtain rod rails. Your post does reaffirm how bad they suck, super thin and no steel reinforcement. Sorry if I lead you to believe I was talking about those garbage rods. Thought I was in a different thread. Regardless, just use a QD sling mount like the Magpul one of you're worried about it. |
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Originally Posted By GTRider245: In other words, the QD point on the rail is strong enough on its own? It's plenty strong enough. The only reason we added the plate to the MFR Rail is because the wall thickness wasn't enough to incorporate limited rotation feature. |
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Daniel Defense
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Originally Posted By Marler5811: It's plenty strong enough. The only reason we added the plate to the MFR Rail is because the wall thickness wasn't enough to incorporate limited rotation feature. I need one in hand to do a drop test on like we did with the mk16 bendy boy. |
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Originally Posted By Marler5811: Most likely in April. Originally Posted By Marler5811: Originally Posted By Paulie771: Joe, Would you be able to let us know when these start shipping to distributors? Most likely in April. Thanks! I meant if you could let us know when they're ACTUALLY shipping out, not just the ETA. |
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Originally Posted By Paulie771: Thanks! I meant if you could let us know when they're ACTUALLY shipping out, not just the ETA. Sorry, man. My focus is LE Sales. If you'd like, you can contact our commercial sales team for dealer/distributor inquiries. |
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Daniel Defense
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Originally Posted By Marler5811: Sorry, man. My focus is LE Sales. If you'd like, you can contact our commercial sales team for dealer/distributor inquiries. Originally Posted By Marler5811: Originally Posted By Paulie771: Thanks! I meant if you could let us know when they're ACTUALLY shipping out, not just the ETA. Sorry, man. My focus is LE Sales. If you'd like, you can contact our commercial sales team for dealer/distributor inquiries. Copy and understand. Appreciate it! |
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Originally Posted By methical20: Hi Joe, Would it be possible to offer the 14.5" RIII uppers without pin/weld for those of us that would like to use a suppressor mount? Either that or offer it from the factory with a pin/weld Surefire 3-prong? Thanks for your time. +1 |
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Originally Posted By methical20: Hi Joe, Would it be possible to offer the 14.5" RIII uppers without pin/weld for those of us that would like to use a suppressor mount? Either that or offer it from the factory with a pin/weld Surefire 3-prong? Thanks for your time. They're only selling complete rifles (at least initially). |
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@Marler5811 Joe, It is my understanding the RISIII will bolt directly to the RISII plate, so six screws to remove the II and install the III....is this correct? Is the FDE anodizing the same color? Thanks, Bronc |
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Originally Posted By 77Bronc: @Marler5811 Joe, It is my understanding the RISIII will bolt directly to the RISII plate, so six screws to remove the II and install the III....is this correct? Is the FDE anodizing the same color? Thanks, Bronc Correct. Remove lower rail of RIS II. Unbolt and remove the main body. Install RIS III Main Body and bolt it up. Install Lower Rail and you're done. The only caveat so far is that if you have a Factory RIS II M4A1 w/ pinned muzzle device, the M203 hangers don't clear so you have remove those first to get the RIS II off and they have to be removed from the RIS III to get it on. This can be done but it's a little tedious and most definitely requires a ball end allen wrench. S/F Joe |
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Daniel Defense
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Originally Posted By Marler5811: Correct. Remove lower rail of RIS II. Unbolt and remove the main body. Install RIS III Main Body and bolt it up. Install Lower Rail and you're done. The only caveat so far is that if you have a Factory RIS II M4A1 w/ pinned muzzle device, the M203 hangers don't clear so you have remove those first to get the RIS II off and they have to be removed from the RIS III to get it on. This can be done but it's a little tedious and most definitely requires a ball end allen wrench. S/F Joe @Marler5811 Thanks for the feedback....Bronc |
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Originally Posted By camarofrk: @Marler5811 I have an older lite rail 12.0 quad rail. The bolt pattern looks like it is the same as the RISIII. Will I be able to swap the two? Thanks for the help. Negative. While the old Lite Rails and RIS II/RIS III handguards are 6 bolt systems, the hole pattern is slightly different. |
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Daniel Defense
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Originally Posted By Engineer5: +1 Originally Posted By Engineer5: Originally Posted By methical20: Hi Joe, Would it be possible to offer the 14.5" RIII uppers without pin/weld for those of us that would like to use a suppressor mount? Either that or offer it from the factory with a pin/weld Surefire 3-prong? Thanks for your time. +1 +1 on offering a Pin/Weld Surefire 3-prong. Hate the idea of buying a new rifle just to have to send it off to have the factory muzzle device removed. |
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Originally Posted By pezboytate: You could at least post a pic. Here.  @Marler5811, is there any chance that there will be a RIS III FSB version with a mid-length cutout instead of a carbine length cutout? Mid-length gas system seems in vogue now with those barrel lengths from 13.7" to 14.5". Softer recoil impulse and less parts wear. |
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Originally Posted By manticore: Here. https://i.imgur.com/vRRnLpb.png @Marler5811, is there any chance that there will be a RIS III FSB version with a mid-length cutout instead of a carbine length cutout? Mid-length gas system seems in vogue now with those barrel lengths from 13.7" to 14.5". Softer recoil impulse and less parts wear. Originally Posted By manticore: Originally Posted By pezboytate: You could at least post a pic. Here. https://i.imgur.com/vRRnLpb.png @Marler5811, is there any chance that there will be a RIS III FSB version with a mid-length cutout instead of a carbine length cutout? Mid-length gas system seems in vogue now with those barrel lengths from 13.7" to 14.5". Softer recoil impulse and less parts wear. ^Thank you Manticore. @Marler5811, do you know if they will be available in shorter lengths than 13in as well? A RIS lll FSB would be badass on a DD 11.5 barrel. |
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Originally Posted By Darkside3117: ^Thank you Manticore. @Marler5811, do you know if they will be available in shorter lengths than 13in as well? A RIS lll FSB would be badass on a DD 11.5 barrel. Our current offerings will be a 9.5 (for 10.3" barrels), 10.5 (for 11.5" barrels), 12.5 (for 13.5" barrels or barrels with rifle length gas systems), and the 13.0 FSP (for 14.5" carbine barrels w/ FSBs). No other lengths have been determined at this time. S/F Joe |
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Originally Posted By Marler5811: Our current offerings will be a 9.5 (for 10.3" barrels), 10.5 (for 11.5" barrels), 12.5 (for 13.5" barrels or barrels with rifle length gas systems), and the 13.0 FSP (for 14.5" carbine barrels w/ FSBs). No other lengths have been determined at this time. S/F Joe Definitely grabbing a 10.5 when they go on sale. Thank you for the info, I appreciate it! |
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Originally Posted By manticore: Here. https://i.imgur.com/vRRnLpb.png @Marler5811, is there any chance that there will be a RIS III FSB version with a mid-length cutout instead of a carbine length cutout? Mid-length gas system seems in vogue now with those barrel lengths from 13.7" to 14.5". Softer recoil impulse and less parts wear. Thanks! |
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Originally Posted By Marler5811: Our current offerings will be a 9.5 (for 10.3" barrels), 10.5 (for 11.5" barrels), 12.5 (for 13.5" barrels or barrels with rifle length gas systems), and the 13.0 FSP (for 14.5" carbine barrels w/ FSBs). No other lengths have been determined at this time. S/F Joe Awesome. Interesting you went with 13.0" instead of 13.8". Is this so it can be used with P&W 13.7" barrels? |
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Just brainstorming some ideas for some builds with these new RIII FSP rails... I know Blackout Defense makes a 13.9" barrel with carbine length gas system. This would look really nice with the 13" FSP rail. I would ideally like a 13.9" 4150 CMV, chrome-lined barrel with carbine gas system, but I haven't found anything so far. Seems like the best option is to get a Colt or DD barrel and have it cut down. There would be so many more possibilities if there was a RIII FSP rail with mid-length cutout... |
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The previous unloaded weight of the DDM4a1 with "m4" profile barrel and RIS 2 rail was listed as - 6.74 lbs The new weight of that same configuration with the ambi lower and RIS 3 is listed as - 6.39 lbs .35 lb difference Seems like the new rail is taking off a lot of weight - especially if the new ambi components are also adding weight... What is the actual weight difference bewteen a 12.5" RIS 2 vs 3? |
| If they're thinking about retrofitting M4s or equiping new M4s, the carbine length fsp slot makes infinitely more sense. It may not necessarily be what the civilian market is clamoring for, but it would definitely be more useful if they think there is a military market with existing designs |
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Originally Posted By a390st: If they're thinking about retrofitting M4s or equiping new M4s, the carbine length fsp slot makes infinitely more sense. It may not necessarily be what the civilian market is clamoring for, but it would definitely be more useful if they think there is a military market with existing designs I dunno that DD is making the RIS III FSP for the military market (assuming you're talking U.S. military). All of the U.S. SOCOM components that used to issue the RIS II FSP (e.g., the ODAs) have switched to either the standard RIS II non-FSP, or the URGI with the Geissele MK16 rail, neither of which has an FSP slot - and that's what the RIS III will be really be competing against in the future. The civilian market (i.e., mostly the SOPMOD Block II clone scene) is pretty much the only market left for the RIS II FSP at this point, so I'd venture a guess that the same applies to RIS III FSP. Granted, maybe some military export customers who want to buy new rails but not new barrels (or front sights) would also be a target sales demographic for the RIS III FSP. |
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Originally Posted By ngc1300: Is there a streeet date on when these will be up for sale yet? Our initial priority is to get orders processed and shipped for our dealers and distributors. We start shipping in April. As soon as we can, we'll make them available on our website as well. |
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Daniel Defense
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Originally Posted By Marler5811: Our initial priority is to get orders processed and shipped for our dealers and distributors. We start shipping in April. As soon as we can, we'll make them available on our website as well. Are we talking first week of April or April-ish? |