Posted: 2/26/2015 5:46:51 PM EDT
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Anyone that has recently ordered from RRA, what has been your actual wait time? Especially anything that has a Wilson barrel. I have ordered many other times and waiting on the barrels was the "reasoning" for the wait then also.
The recent order was to be a gift but seems that no one at RRA has an estimate of when they receive barrels... |
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Thanks.
The barrel used on the R3 is one that we are behind on from Wilson. We recently went through several hundred and are using the last of our current inventory now. We'll have more in shortly, and start building again, in date order from where we left off. I don't now that we've ever had R3 uppers "on the shelf", and as we build them to order, if there's no order, it will never be in that date order line up and won't be built. Several models of rifles and upper halves are in inventory and ready to ship. Others can be built in a matter of days or even a week or so, and yes, others will take longer for one reason or another. Steve/RRA |
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3 weeks would be nice. I am over 4 weeks with no anticipated date. Wouldn't care but it is a gift. Quoted:
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Got mine last Nov. in about 3 weeks for 3 gun matches primarily. Sweet!! I guess everyone saw mine and wanted one!  3 weeks would be nice. I am over 4 weeks with no anticipated date. Wouldn't care but it is a gift. If you already have an order in, then it's in the line up in date order. We'll get to it as soon as barrels are in and it's place inline comes up (generally its a couple hundred barrels at a time). Thanks. Steve/RRA |
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I have a new order in for the same R3 upper. Do you have an estimate on delivery or know if you are sill out of barrels for this config? Even though my order is only 3 days old, it is VERY frustrating not knowing if I'm 3 weeks out or 13. For that reason I VERY NEARLY went a different direction. I'm in a computer service industry and if I told my Sales guys "it'll be done when it's done", I'd catch holy hell from the CEO!
Rob |
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I have a new order in for the same R3 upper. Do you have an estimate on delivery or know if you are sill out of barrels for this config? Even though my order is only 3 days old, it is VERY frustrating not knowing if I'm 3 weeks out or 13. For that reason I VERY NEARLY went a different direction. I'm in a computer service industry and if I told my Sales guys "it'll be done when it's done", I'd catch holy hell from the CEO! Rob That was my point when I spoke with them. Who in manufacturing has no idea when they are going to get product to fulfill their customers orders? I have ordered 5 RRA products in the last few years and the delay is always placed on waiting for barrels. Almost seems like a sales ploy. If they quoted what the real expected delivery date would be customers would cancel and order elsewhere. Like myself, I am a month overdue the 16ish days quoted and if the truth is we are another 4 weeks out I would cancel my order and get an upper from the myriad of suppliers that make a quality upper now. May not be the case but my opinion of RRA service is quite negative at this point which leads me to think the worst. |
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It's not a ploy...just a fact of life.
Barrels start as steel blanks months and months in advance of them ever being usable as anything. We have to predict a half year to a year in advance which blanks to have on hand. When the blanks are advancing toward being barrels, they have to be cut to the working length, stress relieved, drilled, reamed, rifled, stress relieved again in some cases, profiled, cut to final length, crowned and gauged. Then they have to be tested, then the extension has to be installed, the gas port drilled, in many cases cryoed, and then tested again. One glitch anywhere in that process doesn't throw off just that particular batch of barrels, but all barrels that are in the production line up...some can be moved up to the extent possible, some have to be pushed back, etc.. It's all predicated on guessing 6-12 months in advance as to how many of which blanks you're going to need. That doesn't allow for political events, sales spikes, or anything else that's going to skew that need, and also explains why we can't just "get more barrels" whenever we want them. They aren't "off the shelf" items that everyone in the industry draws from...They are made to order, to specific drawings. There are always blanks flowing through and barrels flowing in and out...but one does not equal the other. In this particular case, we use that barrel on two s pecific models. If demand for one or both outpaces the anticipated need, we have to either reprioritize blanks (which in turn screws everyone waiting for a different barrel that uses the same blanks), reprioritize the production runs (screwing everyone waiting for barrels that have been lowered in priority), or suck it up a little and wait a few weeks longer than planned. We do a combination of all three. we aren't going to reset machine centers that are running a specific barrel in large quantities to throw in a run of dissimilar barrels and then restart the large batch. Stainless takes longer than moly. Chrome-lined takes longer than unlined. The cryoed barrels take longer than non-cryoed. If I give a projection on when a particular barrel is going to come in, it's just that...a projection. Not a promise. Not a guarantee. And if I'm off by a half a day, someone will be on this very forum screaming about how we lied to him. I stopped giving projections a long time ago for that very reason. On the fluted 18" stainless 223s, I have a good idea of when they'll be in, and in what quantity. When they're here, we'll be able to fill every back order currently in the system, and have more for shelf inventory...assuming that order rate and actual quantity received are approximately what they "should" be. We try to stock most barrels, at least in small quantities, at all times, but that isn't always possible. No vast conspiracy. Just a case of over 200 different barrels over multiple calibers, all of which have to be made at some point, in differing quantities and different intervals between runs. Even if we reprioritize a barrel with a lower demand than others, whomever is waitin gfor that barrel feels just like you do right now., Steve/RRA |
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That was my point when I spoke with them. Who in manufacturing has no idea when they are going to get product to fulfill their customers orders? I have ordered 5 RRA products in the last few years and the delay is always placed on waiting for barrels. Almost seems like a sales ploy. If they quoted what the real expected delivery date would be customers would cancel and order elsewhere. Like myself, I am a month overdue the 16ish days quoted and if the truth is we are another 4 weeks out I would cancel my order and get an upper from the myriad of suppliers that make a quality upper now. May not be the case but my opinion of RRA service is quite negative at this point which leads me to think the worst. Quoted:
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I have a new order in for the same R3 upper. Do you have an estimate on delivery or know if you are sill out of barrels for this config? Even though my order is only 3 days old, it is VERY frustrating not knowing if I'm 3 weeks out or 13. For that reason I VERY NEARLY went a different direction. I'm in a computer service industry and if I told my Sales guys "it'll be done when it's done", I'd catch holy hell from the CEO! Rob That was my point when I spoke with them. Who in manufacturing has no idea when they are going to get product to fulfill their customers orders? I have ordered 5 RRA products in the last few years and the delay is always placed on waiting for barrels. Almost seems like a sales ploy. If they quoted what the real expected delivery date would be customers would cancel and order elsewhere. Like myself, I am a month overdue the 16ish days quoted and if the truth is we are another 4 weeks out I would cancel my order and get an upper from the myriad of suppliers that make a quality upper now. May not be the case but my opinion of RRA service is quite negative at this point which leads me to think the worst. You think your special? This makes me PUKE. Go someplace else RRA will survive without you. |
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We all need to be civil and play well with others.
I'm as bad as anyone else at times. I used to take posts in here personally. Occasionally I still post a response when a bit perturbed...but most of the time, I try to be somewhat educational when I do. Let's let this one lay and drive on to bigger and better issues. The barrels in question have been coming in by dribs and drabs, and the OP's willgo out in date order.. Thanks. Steve/RRA |
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You think your special? This makes me PUKE. Go someplace else RRA will survive without you. Quoted:
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I have a new order in for the same R3 upper. Do you have an estimate on delivery or know if you are sill out of barrels for this config? Even though my order is only 3 days old, it is VERY frustrating not knowing if I'm 3 weeks out or 13. For that reason I VERY NEARLY went a different direction. I'm in a computer service industry and if I told my Sales guys "it'll be done when it's done", I'd catch holy hell from the CEO! Rob That was my point when I spoke with them. Who in manufacturing has no idea when they are going to get product to fulfill their customers orders? I have ordered 5 RRA products in the last few years and the delay is always placed on waiting for barrels. Almost seems like a sales ploy. If they quoted what the real expected delivery date would be customers would cancel and order elsewhere. Like myself, I am a month overdue the 16ish days quoted and if the truth is we are another 4 weeks out I would cancel my order and get an upper from the myriad of suppliers that make a quality upper now. May not be the case but my opinion of RRA service is quite negative at this point which leads me to think the worst. You think your special? This makes me PUKE. Go someplace else RRA will survive without you. You have no call to attack me. This type of response to a thread that doesn't relate to you at all is unwarranted. Rob |
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