Posted: 1/11/2012 4:48:33 AM EDT
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Website doesnt have much technical info on it.
Are the run through any tests? What kind of steel is used? Thank you |
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IPrimarily that don't have the exact call-outs immediately available to me. Is there some specific quertion you have about our carrier groups or the components thereof? Steve/RRA Yes, are they shot peened and HPT/MPI tested? If so, are they all tested or batch tested. Thanks |
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I see the RRAMODERATOR has logged in a few times since his last response.
Can you please answer the question? I really do want to know. Not just trying to pick a fight. Rather than just go by heresay, I would like to get the facts from someone who knows for sure. |
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Primarily working on my normal job and answering the less involved questions in the forum when I get a chance. More involved questions demand a more involved answer for which I need better data. Steve/RRA You mean to tell me that almost 2 weeks is not long enough for you to contact a co-worker and get an answer to a question a potential customer has? Dont worry about it, The question has indirectly been answered. Also speaks volumes about the customer service I will receive if I would have purchased a rifle and had an issue. |
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It isn't a co-worker, it's the vendor (to get the specifics on the testing protocols), who was at SHOT and has been busy, just as we all have been here at the plant. Metalurgical information and specific testing protocols are more than your typical CS questions. You didn't care for the off-the-shelf answer so I've been trying to get a far more involved answer for you.
Sorry if we're not working on your time table, but taking orders, getting new product moving, getting product out the door, and a myriad of other activities unfortunately have to take priority over ARFCOM. |
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It isn't a co-worker, it;s the vendor (to get the specifics on the testing protocols), who was at SHOT and has been busy, just as we all have been here at the plant. Metalurgical and specific testing protpocols are mre than your typical CS questions. You didn't ccare fo rth eoff-the-shelf answer so I've been trying to get a far more involved answer for you. Sorry if we're not working on your time table, but taking orders, getting new product moving, getting product out the door, and a myriad of other activities unfortunately have to take priority over ARFCOM. RRA mod, I am not wanting to come off as pushy. My Marine brother doesn't appear to me to be either. I'm just an old soldier with a hobby and I am rather happy and impressed with my chromed BCG. I don't think that any of us are asking for the very fine testing parameters (I can only speak for myself here), but more like High Pressure Test round, Magnetic Particle Inspection, etc.. The more common tests that these higher end parts go through. I understand that you have an outward appearance for your company and also want to get the correct information to us. I actually respect and applaud you for that (brings you and your company up a notch). The reason that we are asking is that the part itself has no marking (apparent to us) to indicate that these tests were performed and nothing in RRA's description declares it either. With these questions asked and answered the probability of your company selling many more of these devices will increase. (everyone on this board wants to know if the bolt is HPT and MPI before they purchase it). In my case I have used RRA parts many times in various weapons and know that they are decent parts. I wanted a chomed BCG and got it for a fun gun. After this question was raised here I thought that it would actually be awesome (as it is chromed) for a different rifle. I could easily buy a BCM that states that it is MPI ... But I am willing to give your company my money. It is a win-win for all of us 
Sooooo, I will wait patiently as we get our answer and sincerely thank you for trying to get it. Usurp... |
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You're right. We ar enot really interested in a chart that hand-picked models that were similar enough to look comparable, but far enough off to favor certain brands over others. Is that what this is all about? I've been trying to get you the correct information for what we do and use...not what is necessarily going to match what was established as a mil-spec (only because it is what was submitted, not necessarily the best product, method, or anything else) as early as 40 years ago.
I'm still going to post the testing-method, type, etc...when I get it. And, for what it's worth, I'm a little perturbed with our vendor's lack of information right now, too. Steve/RRA |
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Seems to me the proof should be in the pudding!
Has anyone had any type of problems with the RRA BCG's, chromed or not chromed? I haven't really seen anything posted about any problems with them, but I am not on here all the time. If there haven't been any problems then apparently whatever kind of testing they are doing is GTG JMVHO |
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I have some, but not all of the information. What I have is material specs and certs where the raw metal is tested, the machined parts are tested, then tested again after heat treat. material testing, surface hardness testing, through hardness checking, etc....It's all certs for the properties of the materials,s urface machining, etc...,I'm wondering now if it took so long because the vendor thought I was asking for material testing tather than parts testing protocols and procedures. I have a call and e-mail into them since I got what I did, but haven't heard back, which means I don't have any of the "good" stuff yet.
Steve/RRA |
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Steve, Do you have any number for defective returns on the BCGs or bolts? I think that this fact alone would speak volumes. Usurp... I would have to go back through several years' numbers, but as a percentage of total bolt production, it's less than one percent of one percent. We're seriously talking about a handful annually, and of them, most are units that have been in use continuously for years and the bolt breakage is caused by excessive head space/throat erosion more than any failure of the bolt itself. We did have a few one year that the cam way was machined incorrectly and the pin coul dbe inserted from either side...and of the few that made it out, we've been replacing them as we find them (and we started checking for that manufacturing issue at that time). For carriers, I would again have to check the numbers, but the percentage (and actual quantity) is even less than bolts. As with all machined parts, not every one is perfect. We try to weed out any problems via testing and inspections by both our vendors and ourselves. Standard industry certs are met or exceeded, batch testing is done for multiple aspects of the manufacturing and finishing processes, the final products are physically and mechanically inspected, we do long-term and high round count testing...and we just don't see that many problems. Thanks. Steve/RRA |
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Good enough for me Steve.
Thank you for taking the time to write that up
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Steve, Do you have any number for defective returns on the BCGs or bolts? I think that this fact alone would speak volumes. Usurp... I would have to go back through several years' numbers, but as a percentage of total bolt production, it's less than one percent of one percent. We're seriously talking about a handful annually, and of them, most are units that have been in use continuously for years and the bolt breakage is caused by excessive head space/throat erosion more than any failure of the bolt itself. We did have a few one year that the cam way was machined incorrectly and the pin coul dbe inserted from either side...and of the few that made it out, we've been replacing them as we find them (and we started checking for that manufacturing issue at that time). For carriers, I would again have to check the numbers, but the percentage (and actual quantity) is even less than bolts. As with all machined parts, not every one is perfect. We try to weed out any problems via testing and inspections by both our vendors and ourselves. Standard industry certs are met or exceeded, batch testing is done for multiple aspects of the manufacturing and finishing processes, the final products are physically and mechanically inspected, we do long-term and high round count testing...and we just don't see that many problems. Thanks. Steve/RRA |
| Appreciate the response, although in the same situation, spikes tactical showed cert's. I am no spike fanboy, I have spoke highly of the RRA I had. Although b/c of customer service I will refrain. This is neither here nor there but I would still like to see, or show, for the unbelievers. |
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What Spikes does is Spikes' business. If they, or any other manufacturer, feels the need to validate their products' in some manner with certifications, that too is their business.
Our ownership is contant with meeting or exceeding industry standard and in the quality of the finished product. Steve/RRA |
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I had previously indicated that I would try to get the testing protocols and criteria.
There are limits on what I can and can't share with the public, and in what detail I can share it. General statements about meeting or exceeding industry standards are about as detailed as it is going to get at this time... Steve/RRA |