PSA Lowers - The Definitive Thread on their Differences. (Page 4 of 7)
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I got my first non LW lower. PSA pistol Blem ordered over the weekend from PSA.
PA012*** Went on my pistol upper fine. First non LW lower I have gotten from them. Don't know who makes it. I ordered a Blem Pistol Lower last month and it was an LW Serial #. |
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Originally Posted By 9mmstephen:
I got my first non LW lower. PSA pistol Blem ordered over the weekend from PSA. PA012*** Went on my pistol upper fine. First non LW lower I have gotten from them. Don't know who makes it. I ordered a Blem Pistol Lower last month and it was an LW Serial #. thats awesome. PA lower serials. It was rumored years ago that they were going to go to a total PA prefix throughout... no telling if thats finally happened though. |
Here is a pic of it. The PSA LOGO is much more defined on the LW lowers. This one is not as in depth. As long as it works I am happy. I just need a 10.5 CHF Upper to come on sale so I can finish the other one........HINT PSA HINT.
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Originally Posted By 9mmstephen:
Here is a pic of it. The PSA LOGO is much more defined on the LW lowers. This one is not as in depth. As long as it works I am happy. I just need a 10.5 CHF Upper to come on sale so I can finish the other one........HINT PSA HINT. <a href="http://s63.photobucket.com/user/Bacchus664/media/ca8deaed-c5ec-476d-a3a0-858e766a0088_zpsenfl2x2o.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h133/Bacchus664/ca8deaed-c5ec-476d-a3a0-858e766a0088_zpsenfl2x2o.jpg</a> Does this lower have an extra threaded hole in the lower, under the grip, for a tension screw? |
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Originally Posted By 9mmstephen:
It does have a second hole. I had/have no idea what it is for. It fit on my sqr pistol upper fine so I am a happy camper. It is to install a tension screw, in case the upper to lower fit is loose, the 1/4" allen screw with a plastic tip can be installed to push up on the bottom of the rear upper takedown lug, removing any play in the fit. |
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What's the story on the milled magwells on the blem PA10 lowers?
I ask because I have a non-blem PA10 lower waiting for a deal on a build up kit but I've heard of others that had issues with Magpul 308 Pmags not fitting so seeing that mill work on the blem lowers gives me some pause about the lower sitting in my safe. Thanks Wes |
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Thank you for your inquiry.
The current blem 308 lowers had an incorrect bevel at the magwell. The issue was corrected after coating, but not re-coated. You should not have an issue with your 308 lowers previously purchased. However, you have a lifetime warranty against defects. The magwell is either correct or not - checking with a Pmag should be simple enough without having to build the upper. In the unlikely event you have an issue, contact CS directly, they will be happy to help. |
Palmetto State Armory
200 Business Park Blvd
Columbia, SC 29203
Web Sales: 1-803-724-6950
[email protected]
200 Business Park Blvd
Columbia, SC 29203
Web Sales: 1-803-724-6950
[email protected]
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Originally Posted By PalmettoStateArmory:
Thank you for your inquiry. The current blem 308 lowers had an incorrect bevel at the magwell. The issue was corrected after coating, but not re-coated. You should not have an issue with your 308 lowers previously purchased. However, you have a lifetime warranty against defects. The magwell is either correct or not - checking with a Pmag should be simple enough without having to build the upper. In the unlikely event you have an issue, contact CS directly, they will be happy to help. Thanks Wes |
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Originally Posted By trenchgun:
just received a PA10 lower with the prefix of "PF"- any idea who this is????? thanx TG Originally Posted By trenchgun:
just received a PA10 lower with the prefix of "PF"- any idea who this is????? thanx TG Originally Posted By swampvol:
A new lower I picked up a couple of weeks ago has "PI". To answer both of your questions, there has been rumor for sometime that PSA is going to be switching manufacturers. I am hesitant to say to much yet, but that is a possibility at explaining the variations you both have. thanks |
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Originally Posted By smokycity:
So is there a way to determine a ballpark born on date? I picked up two AP serialed lowers today. no not that im aware of. |
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| AP serials under 002500 will be pre 2012, AP serials with 7 digits are 2015 and later. |
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Originally Posted By PalmettoStateArmory:
AP serials under 002500 will be pre 2012, AP serials with 7 digits are 2015 and later. thanks for this. I'm gonna add it to the origional post now. |
"Stand your ground. Don't Fire unless Fired upon. But if they mean to have a war, Let it begin here." - Capt. John Parker
| Pa10s are all relatively recent |
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Originally Posted By bjenkins99:
I have received 2 lowers prefixed with PI. These are of less quality than the LW lowers I have purchased in the past. Does anyone else think so? I can send pics to anyone interested. im curious to see these lowers and how they compare. |
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Originally Posted By JDemond:
Did anyone ever figure out who made the PA lowers? The only mention of those on the first page are as a stealth lower. The lower that I picked up today is PSA logoed, and PA prefix serial. |
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Originally Posted By GamecockOperator:
In light of some new information this answer has gotten infinitely more complex. Originally Posted By GamecockOperator:
Originally Posted By JDemond:
Did anyone ever figure out who made the PA lowers? The only mention of those on the first page are as a stealth lower. The lower that I picked up today is PSA logoed, and PA prefix serial. It seems nicer than the LW one I picked up last week. Comparing them side by side, I'd say it wasn't an LW. I don't know why this seems to be a big secret. |
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Originally Posted By JDemond:
Thanks for the reply. It seems nicer than the LW one I picked up last week. Comparing them side by side, I'd say it wasn't an LW. I don't know why this seems to be a big secret. Originally Posted By JDemond:
Originally Posted By GamecockOperator:
Originally Posted By JDemond:
Did anyone ever figure out who made the PA lowers? The only mention of those on the first page are as a stealth lower. The lower that I picked up today is PSA logoed, and PA prefix serial. In light of some new information this answer has gotten infinitely more complex. As of right now, known manufacturers are : LW Schneider FN Manufacturing Aero Precision. Various Other Manufacturers. Thanks for the reply. It seems nicer than the LW one I picked up last week. Comparing them side by side, I'd say it wasn't an LW. I don't know why this seems to be a big secret. PA Prefixed lowers are made by one company that i mentioned in the initial post. The reason for secrecy is not on my end, but rather on their end, along with business associate agreements etc etc. for instance... Say you're company X. Company X produces lower receivers at 149.99 on sale, regular price 199.99. Company Y, produces lowers for 59.99 on sale, 89.99 regular price. Company X and Company Y do no machining in house, but rather have outsourced to a third party that machines Lowers. The Company sells their Machined lowers to all companies that want to sell lowers under their name, but if it were known who made the lowers for Company X, is the same that made the lowers for Company Y, to the same standards, fit, and finish, then why would the consumer be buying Company X's Lowers? In a nutshell, thats why companies cant talk about who makes what for whom and whom sources what for whom. |
"Stand your ground. Don't Fire unless Fired upon. But if they mean to have a war, Let it begin here." - Capt. John Parker
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Just received on 12/15/16 a PA prefix lower with the tension screw hole. It was a blem that had a purple hew to it till I oiled it now its a nice deep black and matches my aero upper nicely. It also has
"West Columbia" marked (like the PTAC ones sans the PTAC marking) on it instead of just columbia, and the roll mark is different. Also the logo is a little different looking then my LW marked lower. Has the safe and fire markings, which I like better then the pictogram. Overall it looks really nice. The mag well flare is not as wide but my pmags release and drop well. IMHO its just as good, if not better then the LW marked ones I have, plus the bonus of a tension screw and the low shelf (at least I think, its lower then any other I have) for whenever I can afford a Drop in Sear. (not) |
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Originally Posted By GamecockOperator:
I've updated the main post today. It was long overdue. To answer both of your questions, there has been rumor for sometime that PSA is going to be switching manufacturers. I believe they are going to be ending their relationship with LW schnieder, and moving to a SC based manufacturer from the low country. I am hesitant to say to much yet, but that is a possibility at explaining the variations you both have. thanks Picked up a pistol lower today and it has an LW prefix. |
Doesn't mean that much to me, to mean that much to you.
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Originally Posted By ToxicByte:
GamecockOperator, Do you know who makes the SCD prefixed lowers with the built-in trigger guard? i do. they are made by PSA in house at their machining facilities (not on site of their main warehouse in west columbia) all of these released will be SN 51 and higher, as the first 50 were r&d they have a high shelf as well. |
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Originally Posted By CoolBreeze302:
Its really hard for me to not go buy every new lower that comes out. A PI lower would be cool to build a boot camp clone rifle on. Good thing I already have that. i agree. celebrating that SC is one of the biggest trainers of our military men and women by coming out with ft.Jax, and Paris Island lowers would be bad *ss. I too have a large issue not buying every variation of lower. It also sadly has proven to not be a wise investment, because no one knows what the special edition lowers are worth and or what they are. So buying them as an investment is unwise. Collection purposes, would be for me alone knowing what i know now. |
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Bought 4 blem lowers about a month ago and three were HP and one was LW. The HP marked ones look like the serial and other information was laser engraved and not milled, the working is not as sharp, and at the bottom of the cuts it looks like a tight row of dots. I'm going to assume they were made on a Hewlett-Packard laser printer 
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Originally Posted By GamecockOperator:
i do. they are made by PSA in house at their machining facilities (not on site of their main warehouse in west columbia) all of these released will be SN 51 and higher, as the first 50 were r&d they have a high shelf as well. Originally Posted By GamecockOperator:
Originally Posted By ToxicByte:
GamecockOperator, Do you know who makes the SCD prefixed lowers with the built-in trigger guard? i do. they are made by PSA in house at their machining facilities (not on site of their main warehouse in west columbia) all of these released will be SN 51 and higher, as the first 50 were r&d they have a high shelf as well. Thanks for this, I've been curious. |
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I updated a bunch of things today.
03/14/17 Added Glock 9mm Bolt hold open lowers, edited time frames for AP run lowers. Changed information for AR10 markings. included PA,PF,PI, and other P* markings listings. Added PSA AR10 Gen 2 Lowers, edited the Limited edition coated lowers to enclude ODgreen, and also to correct coating information. I'm thinking of doing, and have a basic framework setup already, for a PSA Barrel differences Thread. As there are so many variations of profile, i'll probably leave that out, and only go for materials, twists, and tiers. Premium CHF Premium Stainless Freedom Stainless Freedom Ptac Unmarked is a basic working thought process. coatings will be included. Any information or help is appreciated greatly. |
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We appreciate the effort to catalog all of the lowers we have offered, it was a lot of work. However the speculation on sources was neither correct nor official.
This thread has been cleaned up so that we may sticky it again. Please keep the speculation on sources, or other juicy gossip, contained to the gun store counter where it shares time with other tall tales... 
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Columbia, SC 29203
Web Sales: 1-803-724-6950
[email protected]
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Thanks for the re-sticky. The barrel thread was also a hope that you guys could take that framework, and correct any issues with it, (either by pm to me or by outright editing in the thread) and help the customer base by understanding the differences and the prices etc. just as you have corrected any misleading information here. Neither thread was an effort to spread rumors, or misleading information but rather to get the actual facts posted for folks, because it is downright confusing in may ways for many folks, not just newbs but even those seasoned builders.
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If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice...(RUSH)
Posted By paddymurphy:
Could be worse. Try eating the spicy bucket at Joes crab shack on a date and then getting romantic after words---she was not happy
| Just read this thread for the first time. Well that was an ass kicker to read that I bought my worthless brother a "You Lie" lower and that it's a collectors item now. Knowing him, he's probably sold it by now if he found out it went up in value. Haven't spoke to him in well over a year, and probably the only time I ever will again is when Mom passes away. |
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Originally Posted By ScottsGT:
Just read this thread for the first time. Well that was an ass kicker to read that I bought my worthless brother a "You Lie" lower and that it's a collectors item now. Knowing him, he's probably sold it by now if he found out it went up in value. Haven't spoke to him in well over a year, and probably the only time I ever will again is when Mom passes away. |
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Originally Posted By CoolBreeze302: I still have an unbuilt “You Lie” left. They may be collectible to some, but I don’t think they are worth that much. There isn’t really a demand for them and not many people even realize they exist. |