Posted: 6/21/2004 2:36:42 PM EDT
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Why is Colt keeping its plan for after the ban so secret?The people want ansers so why don't they answer?I'm sure this is pisssing of many people,me included.Anyone have any answers about this sticky situation? Thanks,Tyler |
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There are times in business when decisions, or the revelation of them, are best deferred. Never announce something when there are uncontrolled variables between now and a deadline. An early announcement will leave egg on one's face if the situation changes unexpectedly. Never announce what you think you will do. Only announce what you have done. |
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TGor: (Why should Colt stop pissing people off now?) It likely means that Colt has seemed to go out of its way in the past to "tick" off civvie buyers, by installing sear blocks, nonstandard pins, screws at the front pivot, etc. Shooters like the guns, but view the "offensive" details as a company going beyond the call of necessity to be politically correct.....but ya know, nearly every gun manufacturer has done similar things. What do you do? Stop buying guns? No, you just use more discrimination in your choices and grit your teeth. The newest Colt, the MT6400C is a giant step in the right direction. A buyer only needs to replace the brake with a flash hider and replace the fake telestock. The other good features are already there....chrome lined barrel, bore, and standard push pins. Just my two centavos......I like Colts, but have a Bushy, too. 
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Hmmm, why does Colt get called on the carpet for this yet other companies get a pass? The company I work for (SigArms) hasn't announced any concrete plans either. Why? 1) It's still too early to tell what's going to happen. 2) Why give the antis more "ammo" then they already have? I can magine the VPC press release now: "COLT MANUFACTURING ANNOUNCES PLANS TO INTRODUCE ASSAULT STYLE MACHINE GUNS WITH PREVIOUSLY BANNED FEATURES TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC! THE BLOOD OF OUR CHILDREN AND OUR NATIONS POLICEMEN WILL ONCE AGAIN FLOW FREELY IN THE STREETS!" Get it? This issue is just a tad more important than satisfying the curiosity of the relative few of us who simply cannot wait a few more months to find out. Edited to add: Here is Bushy's reply when asked about their 9/14/04 plans: We are looking at all options & will wait until we get closer before announcing anything. www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=28&t=143140 |
The AWB debate is continuing in the US Senate. If Colt said anything now Feinswine and her cohorts would use that as evidence that we need a new ban. Patience is the key here...anything at this point is pure speculation. Kevin |
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OK,now I get it.When will the anti's stop pissing and moaning about guns and just try to enjoy life the way its supposed to be in America...free.They should think how much these things theye are doing affect normal law abiding citizens and prevents us from exercizing the rights givin to us by the founders of this great nation!!! Thanks,Tyler |
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There are probably a number of reasons. Keep in mind that many, if not most, businesses tend to be very secretive at times. The possibility of adverse publicity is certainly an issue in this specific instance. More commonly, though, I think the concern is not giving any possible advantage to a competitor. This is a real money and, at times, a survival issue!! Information can also sometimes have a positive or negative affect on things like stock values, union contracts, and such. Again, money issues!! Over the years I’ve been stonewalled in particular by both Smith and Wesson and Sig. I’ve pretty much come to accept it as a common business practice. |
| Talk about numskulls at the fun shop! The three stooges at my local shop first told me that RRA was Colt's lower end gun division, I decided that an arguement would be an excercise in futility. Then at a subsequent stop for more parts/ammo, the same trio told me that Colt was going out of business, that I better buy one NOW! When I stated that I did'nt have the money for a new Colt right now, they insisted that I buy the lesser priced RRA, because when Colt closes it's doors, so will RRA. I propose the ATF give an IQ test to qualify for a FFL. |
Colt's is ALWAYS on the verge of going out of business. Sold 3 times in the last 30 years, in receivership 2 times, bankrutcy court, on and on... Colt has never been one to appease their customers. Not even the feds. They sued the Feds over an M4 open bid simply because they thought they "owned it". Now, because they have no money, they are sueing other manufacturers for using the name "M4". Who in their right mind would think that fifferent sized an positioned pivot pins would improve customer loyalty? Who thought that different sized hammer and trigger pins would be better? Who thought that adding a block in the lower would make their rifles more attractive to the consumer? IDIOTS have run that place for years  . There's no changing them now. Two last comments: 1. Perhaps they have nop plan at all. Wouldn't suprise me. 2. They probavly don't know how long it will take their suppliers to make the parts they want anyway! Since their hardly manufacturing anything on their own, they are at the mercy of their suppliers, just like most other brand names. |
No offense, but isn't it silly to express displeasure because a company doesn't wish to express publicly its plans on the expiration of controversial legislation that may or may not be re-enacted, especially in an election year when there may be a change of administrations with a change in the way government handles its procurement of small arms? The U.S. Government is a far larger buying customer than you and the company is in a state that doesn't like its business. Your feelings are more important than the company's survival? I don't think so. . . . Again, no offense. |
Ok,WTF are you talking about.I love my Colt.From what I had read up to that post it seemed Colt was the only one who didnt reveal their plan.And I never said my feelings were more important than the survival of Colt.Oh,and no offense taken... |
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1. Well, the company may not have thought about it. 2. If the company did think about it, it might not have an opinion. 3. If the company did have an opinion, it will offend one or more sides. 4. Anything other than status quo at this time could bankrupt the company. I love Colt. I'm a traditionalist. Pistols and carbine are Colts. Scattergun and bolt gun are Remington. I've tried a lot and found everything else lacking. My personal hope is that the M4 comes out post-Sept. 13, 2004 as a collapsible stock rifle. Large internal pins don't bother me. |
.Ya,I want a pre-ban Colt carbine too.Right now my plan is to get a Colt M4 lower(civilian) register it as a SBR and put a LE 6921 upper on it.Thanks for the info people.|
I own a Colt, and prefer it over other AR's. But, it is rather unlikely Colt will immediately go to a full pre-ban configuration. Remember, they were pulling features off their rifles before it was even required to do so. Also, the prices may take a big hit if they cannot make a division between law enforcement and civilian rifles. The mindset for over 10 years now has been pre-ban is evil, so it may take a long time for a company like Colt to go back to the right thinking. All this is moot if the ban DOES NOT sunset. Which could very well happen with the massive liberal movement that is on at this very moment. |
Can you say Kalifornia? Colt had to change the name to continue to sell there, thus we got the Sporters. They did remove bay. lugs and retractable stocks on certain models, but that was an attempt to keep an AWB from happening. Once Colt knew the law was going to be passed, they made the guns that so many Colt collectors covet. Kevin |