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9/6/2002 10:57:46 AM EDT
Can we still buy uppers directly from Colt? Specifically Preban M4 uppers?If we can`t why not?
9/6/2002 11:25:00 PM EDT
[#1]
Because they do not sell directly to the public with the exception of parts.  I tried and was directed to a bunch of distributors that did not carry them.  Check your email.
9/18/2002 10:48:26 AM EDT
[#2]
I just bought an entire NEW Colt M4 16.1" pre-ban kit: included a complete Colt M4 upper, Colt tele-stock, Colt bolt/carrier, pistol grip, manual, cleaning rod and sling.... BAD ASS. Received it yesterday.

IM me for details.
9/18/2002 10:49:32 AM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
I just bought an entire NEW Colt M4 16.1" pre-ban kit: included a complete Colt M4 upper, Colt tele-stock, Colt bolt/carrier, pistol grip, manual, cleaning rod and sling.... BAD ASS. Received it yesterday.

IM me for details.



IM box is full, can you post the info here for others as well.  How much, where'd you get it...?
9/18/2002 10:57:37 AM EDT
[#4]
The price may have gone up-- not sure.

I am not sure if I should post the info since its like an advertisement. But anyone who asks-- I will tell where I got it...

IM me your email address-- I just cleaned up my IM box. I will email the guy and have him contact you directly (I will also copy you on the email).
9/18/2002 11:14:52 AM EDT
[#5]
I just talked with the guy who sold me my pre-ban 16.1" ALL-COLT M4 kit. He says they are now $999 + shipping and handling, and he has about 5 kits left. Message me and I will get you the contact information.

I looked several places, this was the best deal. I found a similar deal locally, but I would have had to pay taxes! A wee bit pricey, but look around-- some places are wanting $1200+ for the same thing, and they don't even have them in stock. I missed out on a 16" pre-ban A3 HBAR a couple years ago, and prices have just been rising...

Colts seem to somehow hold their value. I am building a post-ban version out of the older parts. Have to do something with the threaded barrel though. Probably replace it since its a pre-ban...
9/18/2002 2:48:49 PM EDT
[#6]
Yes, they make more money parting them out, and keeping the LEO lower forever, than in selling them to a Peace Officer.
9/19/2002 7:11:28 PM EDT
[#7]
Energizer,

I recently purchased one of the M4 upper kits from what sounds to be the same dealer. I will be doing future business as he was a real pleasure to work with.
9/20/2002 6:08:53 AM EDT
[#8]
so why is everyone afraid to post the name of this dealer ? it ain't illegal is it ?????
9/20/2002 6:29:03 AM EDT
[#9]
No, but I think its against board policy since we would be indirectly "advertising" for someone... message me if you want the info.
9/20/2002 6:29:53 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
Energizer,

I recently purchased one of the M4 upper kits from what sounds to be the same dealer. I will be doing future business as he was a real pleasure to work with.



It might be the same person-- my contact's name was Jim.
9/20/2002 6:52:46 AM EDT
[#11]
We really don't want advertising on this board, so I appreciate that you've kept it all on IM.

As for parting out LEO guns, that is illegal, according to the ATF.
9/20/2002 7:03:16 AM EDT
[#12]
Pre-ban Colt parts are legal for me to own since I have a pre-ban (a Colt).

I can order any Colt non-LE-Only parts from an authorized Colt dealer, and that's exactly what I did. I called many authorized dealers and got price quotes from them on 16" legal-to-own uppers. If they sell me a complete 16.1" pre-ban Colt upper, telestock, and pistol grip, that's totally legit. These are parts, not LE-Only parts. LE-Only parts would be stamped as LE-Only (i.e. lower receiver and magazines), excluding M16 parts which are illegal for me to own unless properly registered.

I don't know exactly where he gets the parts, that's his business. He's the authorized Colt dealer.
9/20/2002 9:00:20 AM EDT
[#13]
Stokes why would it be illegal to part the upper,stock, and pistol gripp form the lower?Its not illegal for us to have those parts.And that person or persons is keeping the lower right?
9/20/2002 9:32:28 AM EDT
[#14]
Its not illegal-- The ATF does not make laws.

The parts that are illegal to possess are <most, if not all> M16 parts and LE-Only stamped parts, such as the lower receiver and hi-cap magazines. If the other parts were illegal to own, while they are stamping those parts, they would have stampped those with "LE-Only" as well. Also, think about this: you can still buy pre-ban parts (including complete uppers) from various manufacturers like Bushmaster, DPMS, Olympic Arms, etc. Why would Colt be any different?-- they aren't.
9/20/2002 9:40:27 PM EDT
[#15]
I said:

As for parting out LEO guns, that is illegal, according to the ATF.


I never said that it was illegal for you to buy the parts, or that the parts were illegal in an of themselves.  I also didn't say that the SCOTUS said it was illegal, I said the ATF said it was illegal.

Now, before you continue to in your misinformation, please refer to this ATF letter collected by James Bardwell.
James Bardwells Letter

Specifically:

A dealer who
acquired such weapons for purposes of disassembly and sale of the
parts would violate the law.  Since the dealer's possession of
the weapons would not be for one of the exempt purposes in the
law, the dealer's possession would be unlawful.







9/26/2002 10:38:26 AM EDT
[#16]
What doesn't make sense here is that it's illegal to purchase Colt pre-ban parts for your pre-ban receiver.

How come Bushmaster sells (& I have purchased) pre-ban uppers & parts for my pre-ban lowers ??

That's perfectly legal. If one company can do it why can't others ????
9/26/2002 5:24:33 PM EDT
[#17]
Stokes actually is technically correct. A dealer cannot buy LEO only guns for the SOLE purpose of parting them out. Its not that the pre-ban parts are illegal or anything, its just the means to which they were gotten in the first place wasn't legit for the dealer to do. Having an LEO only gun is supposed to be boughten to be resold to a LEO only.

If the dealer keeps his mouth shut and just sells them then its not going to matter because no one can actually tell what parts came from what.