" I outshot LaRue's shootist." - UPDATE (Page 4 of 18)
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Originally Posted By soonerman:
Nope.....group was too big....by .003"  Originally Posted By soonerman:
Originally Posted By safetyoff:
guess I must have improperly sent my e mail Nope.....group was too big....by .003" 
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My work has been used by tens of thousands of US Military personnel,
and tens of thousands of civilian shooters - ML
My work has been used by tens of thousands of US Military personnel,
and tens of thousands of civilian shooters - ML
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Originally Posted By 01greenmachine: Nice shooting. I had a very similar group this morning. The flyer that just pisses you off! |
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they say "Misery loves company" . I have the privilege to own two TOBRs, one in each caliber. When the contest started I loaded up boxes & boxes of factory ammo and headed to the range. Thanks to Soonerman's tip on the 50g AE Tipped Varmit loads, I used those for the 5.56 & "Beat the Shootist" !! One down, one to go as they say. I tried 6 different .308 factory loads that weekend and couldn't get close to my rifles .554.
This weekend, I began afresh and w/o even thinking about scoring the first rounds downrange I shot this 3 round grouping.  Now my nephew is watching the target through a 25-60 spotting scope and when the 2nd round went through he says " i saw the paper move". When the 3rd round went through he looked at me and said I didn't see anything. We went downrange and looked at the target front and back and it looked like I actually shot through one of the first or second holes!!! Well, now I'm kicking myself for not having an official target up, so, staple a new target and "fingers crossed".
First shot, right where I expected. Second shot now about .25 off the first and as Mark has commented in a previous post, things were puckering up, trying to get ready for that third shot. As you can probably guess, a flier and the group is now shot , excuse the pun. I couldn't believe what just happened and grabbed a 4th round, shoved it in and without thinking pulled the trigger and you guessed it, split shots 1 & 2. 
The rifle definitely shoots better than me & I can't wait until the next range trip to start all over. You can bet all shots will be on the LaRue official targets going forward, a hard lesson learned 
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? Y'all.
Are we doing 3 rnd groups or 5? OR whatever the target came with? Cuz if its 3..... I'm pissed... 
My first 3 shots are better then the test target... then shit happens... my bullet hits a horse fly's ass and I got a flyer. Grrrr..... .018 off..... didn't have a measuring tool with me, had others look, said I had it in the bag. (Hope that fly has a hard time shitting after ruining my group). Next weekend, less flies I hope. 
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Originally Posted By Friedcheese:
? Y'all. Are we doing 3 rnd groups or 5? OR whatever the target came with? If your target came with a 3 shot group or a 5 shot group, that's what you stick with. Apples to apples and all. |
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| so you guys that are getting the flyers, is it the last round out of the magazine? I've been getting 1 flyer on a lot of groups shot, whether it was a 3 shot or a 5 shot group. Didn't think to check which shot was causing the flyer, but I'm wondering if it's the last round in the magazine when the bolt catches instead of loading another round (magazine empty) that is the issue? I'm going to try and load 4 rounds for a few 3 shot groups and load 6 rounds for 5 shot groups and see if that doesn't eliminate the flyer. Just curious if anyone has already proven/disproven this point. This is with a .308. |
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Originally Posted By AlreadyTaken:
but I'm wondering if it's the last round in the magazine when the bolt catches instead of loading another round (magazine empty) that is the issue? How would the bolt locking back affect the flight of a round? The bullet is past your gas block before anything starts to move at the bolt and I'm pretty sure the bolt doesn't fully disengage the barrel before the bullet has left the muzzle but I'm not that bright so I could be totally wrong. Sorry for a little hijack. |
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Originally Posted By sea2summit:
How would the bolt locking back affect the flight of a round? The bullet is past your gas block before anything starts to move at the bolt and I'm pretty sure the bolt doesn't fully disengage the barrel before the bullet has left the muzzle but I'm not that bright so I could be totally wrong. Sorry for a little hijack. Originally Posted By sea2summit:
Originally Posted By AlreadyTaken:
but I'm wondering if it's the last round in the magazine when the bolt catches instead of loading another round (magazine empty) that is the issue? How would the bolt locking back affect the flight of a round? The bullet is past your gas block before anything starts to move at the bolt and I'm pretty sure the bolt doesn't fully disengage the barrel before the bullet has left the muzzle but I'm not that bright so I could be totally wrong. Sorry for a little hijack. I totally agree with you from a "theory" standpoint, but I've seen opinions on both sides of the equation written on the web enough to cause me a little doubt and question further. Hard to separate fact from fiction on what you read on the web. I'm new to this world and still trying to learn, but some say the bolt is in motion prior to bullet exit, and the bolt is loaded differently with a round left in the magazine opposite an empty magazine causing a change in rifle harmonics. If this is in fact the case, how big of an impact can it really have? I struggle with the concept. |
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Originally Posted By AlreadyTaken:
so you guys that are getting the flyers, is it the last round out of the magazine? I've been getting 1 flyer on a lot of groups shot, whether it was a 3 shot or a 5 shot group. Didn't think to check which shot was causing the flyer, but I'm wondering if it's the last round in the magazine when the bolt catches instead of loading another round (magazine empty) that is the issue? I'm going to try and load 4 rounds for a few 3 shot groups and load 6 rounds for 5 shot groups and see if that doesn't eliminate the flyer. Just curious if anyone has already proven/disproven this point. This is with a .308. For my group it was the second round. I knew I pulled it before I saw the paper. I do get last round flyers if I let the bolt lock back. When shooting groups I load an extra round in the magazine. Makes a difference for me. |
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I Googled up " this thread "
Entered into their " Round 4 (six 5-shot groups). " 
ETA - Remember TheBelly, the kid that came by with the 4" rifle ? Well, by golly, he's cuttin' a rug over in that thread too ... Name: Thebelly Rifle: LaRue PredatAR 308Win 101y (92m) Average: .526 MOA Best: .332 MOA Worst: .725 MOA 
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I have been asked to point out that I am LaRue Tactical's owner.
My work has been used by tens of thousands of US Military personnel,
and tens of thousands of civilian shooters - ML
My work has been used by tens of thousands of US Military personnel,
and tens of thousands of civilian shooters - ML
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Originally Posted By Friedcheese: Can someone run that cool automatic .MOA program on this? Thank you!http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb5/FRIED303/GUNZ/20140721_231814_zpsfpkewsx_edit_1406498359111_zpssowd1zma.jpg |
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Originally Posted By Friedcheese:
Can someone run that cool automatic .MOA program on this? Thank you!http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb5/FRIED303/GUNZ/20140721_231814_zpsfpkewsx_edit_1406498359111_zpssowd1zma.jpg Here you go. http://www.ontargetshooting.com/index.html |
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Ok, got the target software, did I use it correctly?
I ran it on the LT shooters group, but its larger than what is written. Still sub-moa. I think I can get more out of my loads if I tweak the powder .. drop the grains down to 40-41 Edit: maybe I need a LT made barrel now. 
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Originally Posted By Friedcheese: Ok, got the target software, did I use it correctly? I ran it on the LT shooters group, but its larger than what is written. Still sub-moa. I think I can get more out of my loads if I tweak the powder .. drop the grains down to 40-41 Edit: maybe I need a LT made barrel now. http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb5/FRIED303/8743ebbe-2d8e-4a76-a6df-3ba25837e5d9_zpscd04e11a.jpg I assume "Winchester" means you are using a WLR primer. I found that the F210 have better accuracy and ES than the WLR. My ES on this 41.7g H4895 load is @10 fps. In one rifle the WLR load will measure double in size what the F210 measures. But in all rifles the WLR shoots larger groups than the F210 load. (Be sure to seat F210s below case head) Did you deburr the flash hole on the LC brass? LC typically has a very large burr which gives ignition inconsistency. This little procedure can make a drastic difference in ES and accuracy. If the LC was once fired did you size it with a SB die ever? If not, size it with a SB die once and after firing use a standard die, you shouldn't use the SB die again after the first time. If using bushing dies, what is your neck tension? I have found all 4 of the 7.62s shoot best with .003-.004 neck tension. Less than that and setback becomes possible, anything over .004 causes groups to open and cluster in different spots...example 3 in one hole 2 in another 3/4" apart, repeatable and obvious. Same type of groups you see with a malfunctioning optic or optic mount. Have you measured your loaded bullet runout? If you do not have the EQ to measure just be sure to rotate your cartridge case @1/2 turn when the ram is halfway cammed when seating the bullet, this will typically reduce runout. Lastly, as I said H4895 is my go to powder for everything, acc, vel, ES, but if I had to pick one other powder to try it would be IMR 4064 with the same charge 41.5-42g and everything else the same. 4064 is an extremely accurate consistent, albeit difficult to meter powder, in case you want to try something different. Best luck in tightening your load down a bit. Hope this is of some value to you or anyone else loading for accuracy in a Larue 7.62. |
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so I finally got to go shooting today. printed out about 40 LT targets and hit the range.
it was damn hot (about 92) and no wind
16" PredatAR 556 There was no one there so I got a lot of trigger time and boy did I need it to shoot some small groups. for practice I was using winchester white box stuff and a buddys rifle vise thing. Now down to the nitty gritty. my best group with my 4X acog and winchester ballistic silver tip was .81 and my best with a 4-16 vortex was .577 I am extremely happy, it took me a while to get used to shooting groups like this as I was having a tendency to "chase" my previous shots. 
I do not have my original test target as I bought my rifle 2 years ago and tore my house apart looking for it to no avail. Can I has dillo Mark?
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I OutShot LaRue's Shootist!
Three shot group at 100 yards: 0.40" Rifle: LaRue PredatAR Cailber: .223 Bullet: Seirra Game King 55 gr. Case: Norma Powder: 24.6 Varget Sight: Aimpoint PRO 100 yard sight in Tunnel at the Sportsman Shooting Center in Grapevine Texas. |
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Originally Posted By SportsmanShootingCtr:
I OutShot LaRue's Shootist! Three shot group at 100 yards: 0.40" Rifle: LaRue PredatAR Cailber: .223 Bullet: Seirra Game King 55 gr. Case: Norma Powder: 24.6 Varget Sight: Aimpoint PRO 100 yard sight in Tunnel at the Sportsman Shooting Center in Grapevine Texas. 
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Originally Posted By SportsmanShootingCtr:
I OutShot LaRue's Shootist! Three shot group at 100 yards: 0.40" Rifle: LaRue PredatAR Cailber: .223 Bullet: Seirra Game King 55 gr. Case: Norma Powder: 24.6 Varget Sight: Aimpoint PRO 100 yard sight in Tunnel at the Sportsman Shooting Center in Grapevine Texas. Without film, it's fiction
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Originally Posted By SportsmanShootingCtr:
I OutShot LaRue's Shootist! Three shot group at 100 yards: 0.40" Rifle: LaRue PredatAR Cailber: .223 Bullet: Seirra Game King 55 gr. Case: Norma Powder: 24.6 Varget Sight: Aimpoint PRO 100 yard sight in Tunnel at the Sportsman Shooting Center in Grapevine Texas. you forgot to post a number for the UHFO contest silly!
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Without film, it's fiction Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By SportsmanShootingCtr:
I OutShot LaRue's Shootist! Three shot group at 100 yards: 0.40" Rifle: LaRue PredatAR Cailber: .223 Bullet: Seirra Game King 55 gr. Case: Norma Powder: 24.6 Varget Sight: Aimpoint PRO 100 yard sight in Tunnel at the Sportsman Shooting Center in Grapevine Texas. Without film, it's fiction You beat it with an Aimpoint PRO? |
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Originally Posted By dukhnt:
you forgot to post a number for the UHFO contest silly!Originally Posted By dukhnt:
Originally Posted By SportsmanShootingCtr:
I OutShot LaRue's Shootist! Three shot group at 100 yards: 0.40" Rifle: LaRue PredatAR Cailber: .223 Bullet: Seirra Game King 55 gr. Case: Norma Powder: 24.6 Varget Sight: Aimpoint PRO 100 yard sight in Tunnel at the Sportsman Shooting Center in Grapevine Texas. you forgot to post a number for the UHFO contest silly!
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Originally Posted By BLACKRIFLEMAN83:
You beat it with an Aimpoint PRO? Originally Posted By BLACKRIFLEMAN83:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By SportsmanShootingCtr:
I OutShot LaRue's Shootist! Three shot group at 100 yards: 0.40" Rifle: LaRue PredatAR Cailber: .223 Bullet: Seirra Game King 55 gr. Case: Norma Powder: 24.6 Varget Sight: Aimpoint PRO 100 yard sight in Tunnel at the Sportsman Shooting Center in Grapevine Texas. Without film, it's fiction You beat it with an Aimpoint PRO? Do you not understand the point of the thread? If one isn't going to post proof of their claims, then I might as well say that I was able to fire a .25 group at 1000 yards with irons, during a hurricane........offhand 
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Do you not understand the point of the thread? If one isn't going to post proof of their claims, then I might as well say that I was able to fire a .25 group at 1000 yards with irons, during a hurricane........offhand Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By BLACKRIFLEMAN83:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By SportsmanShootingCtr:
I OutShot LaRue's Shootist! Three shot group at 100 yards: 0.40" Rifle: LaRue PredatAR Cailber: .223 Bullet: Seirra Game King 55 gr. Case: Norma Powder: 24.6 Varget Sight: Aimpoint PRO 100 yard sight in Tunnel at the Sportsman Shooting Center in Grapevine Texas. Without film, it's fiction You beat it with an Aimpoint PRO? Do you not understand the point of the thread? If one isn't going to post proof of their claims, then I might as well say that I was able to fire a .25 group at 1000 yards with irons, during a hurricane........offhand Pffft, easy. I shoot negative groups. They are so small you can't even see the hole. The hole closes in on itself 
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Originally Posted By TheLion:
Pffft, easy. I shoot negative groups. They are so small you can't even see the hole. The hole closes in on itself Originally Posted By TheLion:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By BLACKRIFLEMAN83:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By SportsmanShootingCtr:
I OutShot LaRue's Shootist! Three shot group at 100 yards: 0.40" Rifle: LaRue PredatAR Cailber: .223 Bullet: Seirra Game King 55 gr. Case: Norma Powder: 24.6 Varget Sight: Aimpoint PRO 100 yard sight in Tunnel at the Sportsman Shooting Center in Grapevine Texas. Without film, it's fiction You beat it with an Aimpoint PRO? Do you not understand the point of the thread? If one isn't going to post proof of their claims, then I might as well say that I was able to fire a .25 group at 1000 yards with irons, during a hurricane........offhand Pffft, easy. I shoot negative groups. They are so small you can't even see the hole. The hole closes in on itself Using one of those new critical mass rounds? The ones that create their own little black hole after hitting their target? I've always wanted to try some of those out
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Using one of those new critical mass rounds? The ones that create their own little black hole after hitting their target? I've always wanted to try some of those out You have to be Tier 1 to get those, do you know the secret handshake? |
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Originally Posted By TheLion:
You have to be Tier 1 to get those, do you know the secret handshake? Originally Posted By TheLion:
Using one of those new critical mass rounds? The ones that create their own little black hole after hitting their target? I've always wanted to try some of those out You have to be Tier 1 to get those, do you know the secret handshake? No................I'm not that cool 
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
No................I'm not that cool Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By TheLion:
Using one of those new critical mass rounds? The ones that create their own little black hole after hitting their target? I've always wanted to try some of those out You have to be Tier 1 to get those, do you know the secret handshake? No................I'm not that cool ME either, I'm actually Tier 87 and shoot huge groups that Oprah could fit through. |
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