Posted: 3/30/2013 7:25:00 PM EDT
| Considering the new NF BEAST among others but was looking for any input on the H59 reticle. Thanks. |
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What's you opinion of the sight picture zoomed all the way out on your mark 6, I've heard the recticle can be hard to see at 3x. I honestly have the scope zoomed all the way in even when I'm sighting in at 100 yards. It would work at 100, but the reticle is just so tiny. I have the DD sights, so I really haven't played with it on 3x. I love the scope though. I would just look through any Horus scope to get an idea. |
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I have both the H58 and H59 on NF F1s. They are excellent for long range precision shooting. The reticles are usable at the F1's minimum magnification of 3.5. However, if I were hunting in a heavily wooded area I would drop down to my NF 1 x 4 or 2.5 x 10. The reticles on those scopes are easier to use at lower magnification.
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Yep, I ended up going with a mark 4 3.5-10 mildot. I know the scope from having another on a different rifle.
If some thing else comes out interesting down the line, the leupys hold their value pretty well. For a quality general purpose scope they are hard to beat. |
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the issues stated above are also the reason why the horus reticles are not very popular on LE sniper rifles. when you take the 2005 FBI study's results of a national average of 51 or 52 yards (the exact number escapes me at the moment) for a LE sniper engagement, and you couple it with the fact that 99% of the police sniper's job is to observe, and gain intel,
the front focal plane horus reticles are just too small to use for a fast shot at low power. i also like to keep my power as low as possible to allow the most view of the situation. and- in law enforcement, we never (i know- never say never) use mil holds for elevation- we always dial it for safety. (i dont make the rules, im just telling you what we are taught in school, and dictated to do by policy.) how does this correlate to a guy wanting to use that scope for hunting? fast shots at low power will present itself. you want the lowest power setting to aid in the fast target aquisition, and for the same reason listed above. and in most hunting situations, (not all, but most) you will never have to make a windage or elevation adjustment (inside 300 yards or so) more than just holding a few inches high, or laterally (because its not a LE shot, you can do this just fine all day long, and never end up in legal trouble) my remington 700 .30-06 wears a leupold 3-9 duplex reticle. i like the big duplex cross hairs because its quick to line up, and easy to see in all conditions. my work rifle wears a Leupold Mk-4 4.5-14x50, with mil dots. same reasons- quick to aquire, easy to use in all conditions. i wouldnt use a Horus unless i was pretty sure i never needed to take a fast shot inside 100 or so yards. if i had a big honkin' .50, or .338 Lapua- and i was going out past 1500 on a regular basis- sure. id buy the Mk-4, and use the $ savings to buy more ammo, and a class to teach you how to really effectively use the system you are running. you can do a whole bunch with mil dots, or a TMR reticle. most people just dont quite realize how great they are for their most common types of shooting. YMMV 
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the issues stated above are also the reason why the horus reticles are not very popular on LE sniper rifles. when you take the 2005 FBI study's results of a national average of 51 or 52 yards (the exact number escapes me at the moment) for a LE sniper engagement, and you couple it with the fact that 99% of the police sniper's job is to observe, and gain intel, the front focal plane horus reticles are just too small to use for a fast shot at low power. i also like to keep my power as low as possible to allow the most view of the situation. and- in law enforcement, we never (i know- never say never) use mil holds for elevation- we always dial it for safety. (i dont make the rules, im just telling you what we are taught in school, and dictated to do by policy.) how does this correlate to a guy wanting to use that scope for hunting? fast shots at low power will present itself. you want the lowest power setting to aid in the fast target aquisition, and for the same reason listed above. and in most hunting situations, (not all, but most) you will never have to make a windage or elevation adjustment (inside 300 yards or so) more than just holding a few inches high, or laterally (because its not a LE shot, you can do this just fine all day long, and never end up in legal trouble) my remington 700 .30-06 wears a leupold 3-9 duplex reticle. i like the big duplex cross hairs because its quick to line up, and easy to see in all conditions. my work rifle wears a Leupold Mk-4 4.5-14x50, with mil dots. same reasons- quick to aquire, easy to use in all conditions. i wouldnt use a Horus unless i was pretty sure i never needed to take a fast shot inside 100 or so yards. if i had a big honkin' .50, or .338 Lapua- and i was going out past 1500 on a regular basis- sure. id buy the Mk-4, and use the $ savings to buy more ammo, and a class to teach you how to really effectively use the system you are running. you can do a whole bunch with mil dots, or a TMR reticle. most people just dont quite realize how great they are for their most common types of shooting. YMMV Very well written, and sums up my thoughts exactly. If I was only playing the long range game I would have gone horus, but for general utility a mildot with known dope is well proven! |
| That's why I run off angles for 100 and in. With the lowest power setting, you can see the top reticle well enough to take those shots. It's just a pain in the ass bringing up a 14 power rifle trying to find the reticle to take a shot quickly. I just like the windage dots so I'm not guessing on the windage like standard mil dot reticles. |