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2/26/2009 4:08:21 PM EDT
Nobody really had much to say about this thing and I'm a lefty so I ordered it.  Ordered by phone and they had it in stock (and I live 4 hours away or so), so I'll post my thoughts in a few days when it arrives.

2/26/2009 6:30:12 PM EDT
[#1]
yep, waitin for taxes.
2/27/2009 12:14:36 PM EDT
[#2]
Well got it, a day after I ordered it - thanks LT.  That being said, so far I'm not happy.  From the instructions of the product:

"There are two non-firing conditions where the ACLM may seem to be stuck in the upper receiver latched ']removed[/span], or with the bolt carrier [span style='font-style: italic;']locked back by the bolt release[/span], when pulling on the [span style='text-decoration: underline;'][span style='font-weight: bold;']RIGHT SIDE [/span][/span] of the handle only.

In these cases, when pulling on the [span style='text-decoration: underline;'][span style='font-weight: bold;']RIGHT SIDE [/span][/span] of the handle only the ACLM seems stuck, merely pull back from the LEFT side or BOTH sides equally.  When field stripping the weapon, a fingertip may be used to contact the front of the shaft momentarily as the lathc operates to the open position."

When in either of these non-firing conditions the charging handle will not cycle at all.  Meaning the gun is pretty much useless should I have a malfunction of some type to clear.  

I spoke with Cody at LT and he said they had no tips/tricks to get it working because it's such a new product.  However, he did offer to replace the item or refund my money.  I opted to contact Armadynamics and the man I spoke to said he'd replace it or refund my money since it was his product and he wanted me to be happy.  He also said there is no "trick" to making it work, that it should just work exactly as the instructions state.  

It's possible that the cam in the handle I received isn't operating as it should.  I don't think the finish on my CMT upper has anything to do with it because in the 10 minutes or so that I worked on trying to get the handle to work the finish is completely gone on the upper were the handle's latch mates to it (not that I care, I'm just stating that it's most likely not a factor).  

So now I wait for a replacement - will post more next week when it arrives.  I can say that having handled the item I can already see areas that could have been better (and would have kept this problems from occurring).  The latch could have had a portion to grab on it like a standard charging handle - that way if for some reason the actuating cam system failed, you could resort back to pulling on the latch itself.  They also could have ported the bottom like a PRI gas buster so that it would be the end all, go to charging handle.
2/27/2009 10:57:50 PM EDT
[#3]
To our valued customers,
We have just been made aware of the discovered issue here with our ACLM product and wish to immediately communicate to the community our awareness of it and proposed solution for our effected customers.

We had recently redesigned the latch component of the ACLM to allow an easier let-off of the receiver notch. The latch is designed to require some force, a rapid tug actually, to release when there is no tension on the mechanism parts, i.e., with the bolt locked back on the bolt catch or the bolt removed. This was inherent in the design, though we were aware the rapid tug was required we did not have any negative feedback during the development process.

While we have had really no negative feedback on the current design we do recognize our end users are the best product testers and may come up with problem scenarios we did not see being so close to the development process despite our very best intentions to fully field test our designs before bringing them to market. Comments recently expressed in this forum are therefore extremely valid and we wish to address the situation to the best possible end solution for all our customers. Based upon review of these comments we are now adding a separate manual activation function to the latch, a feature which answers the criticisms expressed here and permits full manual activation of the latch during situations when no tension pre-load exists, i.e., with the bolt locked back on the bolt catch or with the bolt removed.

We are proposing to add a small, rounded, protrusion to the latch arm on the left side, right where it pivots into the grasping handle cut-out. Contacting this extension, actually depressing it INTO the grasping handle cut-out, will function the latch open far enough to clear the receiver retaining notch even when there is no tension on the mechanism, thereby providing a completely positive opening action devoid of the need for the tension pre-load that normally opens the ACLM mechanism with the bolt in battery position. This should completely address the issues expressed here, and permit all courses of action of the charging handle operation in every possible bolt position.

This added pad will be unobtrusive, and it will lie just above the serrated surface of the grasping handle. It will protrude just enough such that when a finger compresses it, it will retreat into the grasping handle cut-out and swing open the latch enough to clear the receiver. This would only be required with the bolt locked back or with the bolt removed. In all normal firing conditions, the ACLM mechanism will still operate as designed, as an ambidextrous mechanism.

This modification amounts to a relatively minor change in the product overall, a new latch component essentially. We will be able to make this production adjustment this week and all future ACLM's will be so equipped. In the meantime, we are going to issue a voluntary recall of the product that is out there and request everyone to refrain from ordering/purchasing one until we announce the modified handles are shipping to our distributors, a process that should not take more than 2 weeks we estimate. Also, for those customers that have already acquired one, we will either refund the purchase price by returning it to us with an invoice showing price paid, or we will offer to send one of the modified ones as a replacement.

We are going to be contacting our distributors Monday and working out the details for the voluntary recall, likely we will just ask them to withhold sales of the ones they have and we will ship replacements to them in the next couple weeks.

Full customer satisfaction is our primary goal, and while we are not always perfect being the human beings we are, we strive to do everything necessary to make sure our customers are satisfied with our company and our products. I trust that the above measures will assure you all we are attempting to rectify the situation in the most comprehensive and rapid fashion possible.

Lastly, if any of you are aware of anyone that has acquired one of our ACLM charging handles, please pass on the above information to them. I would ask that you ask them to contact us by email.

Respectfully,
Armament Dynamics Industries, LLC
12650 West 64th Avenue Unit E-206
Arvada, Colorado 80004
email: [email protected]
(303)868-6314
2/28/2009 3:10:24 AM EDT
[#4]
Coudn't ask for more than that.  Excellent customer service - on par with the best.  

Being a lefty I've waited for something like this for a long time.  The badger tac latch helped, but was not a true solution to the problem.  I can wait a few more weeks for the real solution.
2/28/2009 4:30:01 AM EDT
[#5]
Very impressive customer service. I'm not a lefty, but customer service like that makes me want to try their product!
2/28/2009 5:59:41 AM EDT
[#6]
I first saw this product at ShotShow, an it was one product that had me highly interested.  Granted, I am not left handed, but I do shoot out of my reaction side quite a bit, and I like the concept, and this is why I will be buying one.

The customer service I just witnessed sealed the deal. You'll be seeing my money soon.

Erik
2/28/2009 9:20:05 AM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
To our valued customers,
We have just been made aware of the discovered issue here with our ACLM product and wish to immediately communicate to the community our awareness of it and proposed solution for our effected customers.

We had recently redesigned the latch component of the ACLM to allow an easier let-off of the receiver notch. The latch is designed to require some force, a rapid tug actually, to release when there is no tension on the mechanism parts, i.e., with the bolt locked back on the bolt catch or the bolt removed. This was inherent in the design, though we were aware the rapid tug was required we did not have any negative feedback during the development process.

While we have had really no negative feedback on the current design we do recognize our end users are the best product testers and may come up with problem scenarios we did not see being so close to the development process despite our very best intentions to fully field test our designs before bringing them to market. Comments recently expressed in this forum are therefore extremely valid and we wish to address the situation to the best possible end solution for all our customers. Based upon review of these comments we are now adding a separate manual activation function to the latch, a feature which answers the criticisms expressed here and permits full manual activation of the latch during situations when no tension pre-load exists, i.e., with the bolt locked back on the bolt catch or with the bolt removed.

We are proposing to add a small, rounded, protrusion to the latch arm on the left side, right where it pivots into the grasping handle cut-out. Contacting this extension, actually depressing it INTO the grasping handle cut-out, will function the latch open far enough to clear the receiver retaining notch even when there is no tension on the mechanism, thereby providing a completely positive opening action devoid of the need for the tension pre-load that normally opens the ACLM mechanism with the bolt in battery position. This should completely address the issues expressed here, and permit all courses of action of the charging handle operation in every possible bolt position.

This added pad will be unobtrusive, and it will lie just above the serrated surface of the grasping handle. It will protrude just enough such that when a finger compresses it, it will retreat into the grasping handle cut-out and swing open the latch enough to clear the receiver. This would only be required with the bolt locked back or with the bolt removed. In all normal firing conditions, the ACLM mechanism will still operate as designed, as an ambidextrous mechanism.

This modification amounts to a relatively minor change in the product overall, a new latch component essentially. We will be able to make this production adjustment this week and all future ACLM's will be so equipped. In the meantime, we are going to issue a voluntary recall of the product that is out there and request everyone to refrain from ordering/purchasing one until we announce the modified handles are shipping to our distributors, a process that should not take more than 2 weeks we estimate. Also, for those customers that have already acquired one, we will either refund the purchase price by returning it to us with an invoice showing price paid, or we will offer to send one of the modified ones as a replacement.

We are going to be contacting our distributors Monday and working out the details for the voluntary recall, likely we will just ask them to withhold sales of the ones they have and we will ship replacements to them in the next couple weeks.

Full customer satisfaction is our primary goal, and while we are not always perfect being the human beings we are, we strive to do everything necessary to make sure our customers are satisfied with our company and our products. I trust that the above measures will assure you all we are attempting to rectify the situation in the most comprehensive and rapid fashion possible.

Lastly, if any of you are aware of anyone that has acquired one of our ACLM charging handles, please pass on the above information to them. I would ask that you ask them to contact us by email.

Respectfully,
Armament Dynamics Industries, LLC
12650 West 64th Avenue Unit E-206
Arvada, Colorado 80004
email: [email protected]
(303)868-6314


as a lefty you bet I will remember this when I have money to order a new charging handle
2/28/2009 6:16:06 PM EDT
[#8]
I'm a little challenged so spell this out for me... how would bolt or hammer condition affect the latch on the charging handle?

2/28/2009 6:42:54 PM EDT
[#9]
Because there is a cam system within the latch portion of the handle it requires some pressure against the opposite end of the handle (the portion that catches the gas key) to actuate.  When the bolt is either out of the gun or locked behind the bolt catch there is nothing to pull on the charging handle and thus nothing to apply pressure to the charging handle to ensure that the grip portion can actuate the cam.

Make sense?
2/28/2009 6:57:55 PM EDT
[#10]
i kinda got it now.

the charging handle latch catch notch ( is that how you say it!?) is not a resistive force that the camming action can work against, because that itself is the locking notch.

It needs some other resistance to cam.

right?

ETA: wouldn't a simple solution be a little part of the handle that sticks out the rear that you can thumb against?
2/28/2009 7:02:42 PM EDT
[#11]
This is interesting.  I'm making a few of my ARs ambidextrous.



How do they hold up to hard use?
2/28/2009 7:10:11 PM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
This is interesting.  I'm making a few of my ARs ambidextrous.

How do they hold up to hard use?


They haven't been out long enough to know.
2/28/2009 7:35:55 PM EDT
[#13]



Quoted:



Quoted:

This is interesting.  I'm making a few of my ARs ambidextrous.



How do they hold up to hard use?




They haven't been out long enough to know.


That is why they need to send them out to certain beta-testers (
) to use them and report back.

 
2/28/2009 8:17:13 PM EDT
[#14]
I'm running one of these right now.

It's more than a solution for lefty's...I like being able to effortlessly operate the charging handle with either hand, from any angle...it will undoubtedly become a valuable asset to anyone who operates an M16/AR-15.  
















2/28/2009 9:19:31 PM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
I'm running one of these right now.

It's more than a solution for lefty's...I like being able to effortlessly operate the charging handle with either hand, from any angle...it will undoubtedly become a valuable asset to anyone who operates an M16/AR-15.  




if you end up not liking it you can mail it to me



3/1/2009 3:11:29 AM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:
i kinda got it now.

the charging handle latch catch notch ( is that how you say it!?) is not a resistive force that the camming action can work against, because that itself is the locking notch.

It needs some other resistance to cam.

right?

ETA: wouldn't a simple solution be a little part of the handle that sticks out the rear that you can thumb against?


They are adding a manual latch release to the current charging handle design.  The letter that Armadynamics posted above had more details about the change.
3/1/2009 3:36:50 AM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
i kinda got it now.

the charging handle latch catch notch ( is that how you say it!?) is not a resistive force that the camming action can work against, because that itself is the locking notch.

It needs some other resistance to cam.

right?

ETA: wouldn't a simple solution be a little part of the handle that sticks out the rear that you can thumb against?


I like your Idea.  The manual lever on one side isn't as Ambi friendly.
3/1/2009 6:17:39 AM EDT
[#18]
I just got an email from Tom Hoel with Armadynamics...

Chris,
 Well we spent the whole day designing, prototyping, and proving out the modification. We cut a lot of metal, and put a lot of chips in the hopper. ;-)

 We think we have achieved an excellent and elegant solution that answers all your critiques and yet still retains all of the unique features of the ACLM handle design in a very cosmetically pleasing package. We hope you approve of the modifications.

 Below are links to images of the new design. I think you will see what we have done does not become objectionable cosmetically and actually is transparent in operation, except for when the bolt is locked back or removed at which point you can now easily open the latch and retract the handle.

 Please be aware we are planning to go back tomorrow and touch up some of the remaining mechanical and cosmetic issues. This will include moving the "manual override button" outward approx. .060" to give better accommodation and a slight re-contouring of the shape.

 We plan on putting the new latches in production tomorrow night, and with a little luck from our anodize vendor, we should be able to begin shipping the newly modified handles very soon, likely Friday. We'll do our best to get them out there ASAP.

 We have begun notifying all our distributors, and our plan is to ship them exchange handles for the ones they have. Customers would then have the option of having their ACLM exchanged by the distributor they purchased it from, or they may return it to us directly for exchange, or lastly, they may request a refund directly from us.

 Please let me know if you approve of the modification plan. Also, please feel free to share this information and the images as you see fit, but ***PLEASE*** be sure to indicate that these images represent a pre-production prototype only and NOT the final one which will be only slightly different as explained above.

 Best Regards,
 -Tom Hoel/Armament Dynamics Industries, LLC.


I pulled the links out of the mail and embedded them here:









I think it looks awesome.  I can't wait to get my hands on one.

Edited to fix links...
3/1/2009 6:36:23 AM EDT
[#19]
Nice... so when you need to charge the weapon quickly, you can do it however is most convenient, but when you need to remove the charging handle for maintenance, it works just like the standard one?  That's pretty slick.  Even more slick is the ridiculously quick and positive response to your feedback.  Top-notch service, and I may have to get me one of these because of it (and the added convenience of being able to charge any which way).
3/1/2009 6:38:41 AM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:
Quoted:
i kinda got it now.

the charging handle latch catch notch ( is that how you say it!?) is not a resistive force that the camming action can work against, because that itself is the locking notch.

It needs some other resistance to cam.

right?

ETA: wouldn't a simple solution be a little part of the handle that sticks out the rear that you can thumb against?


I like your Idea.  The manual lever on one side isn't as Ambi friendly.




the mfr's fix is KISS and proven so i understand it.

I like mine too though

ETA: I see the mfr has a 'go fast' switch too.  sweeeeeeeeeeet
3/1/2009 8:18:36 AM EDT
[#21]
We got 'em for our wrong-handed friends ...

... as they're always griping about getting "profiled".
3/1/2009 12:15:02 PM EDT
[#22]
How did yall miss the Dick err I mean Swan in the pics?!
3/2/2009 2:24:26 PM EDT
[#23]
Quoted:
We got 'em for our wrong-handed friends ...

... as they're always griping about getting "profiled".


No longer on your site as of today?  I saw them there yesterday.
3/2/2009 3:07:10 PM EDT
[#24]
We pulled them temporarily until we get the newer, improved models.
3/2/2009 3:47:24 PM EDT
[#25]
So basically they took the very expensive, gee whiz handle and modified it to work like a $25 standard issue charging handle??



3/2/2009 4:03:26 PM EDT
[#26]
Quoted:
So basically they took the very expensive, gee whiz handle and modified it to work like a $25 standard issue charging handle??





Maybe, kinda?  It looks like if you still pull from the other side of the handle only, the CH will work.  It still has the same functionality as the previous generation, but it also has the ability to use the one side with the push pin to make it function like a normal CH
3/2/2009 4:04:58 PM EDT
[#27]
Quoted:
We pulled them temporarily until we get the newer, improved models.


Makes sense, thanks.

3/2/2009 7:32:29 PM EDT
[#28]
Quoted:
So basically they took the very expensive, gee whiz handle and modified it to work like a $25 standard issue charging handle??





Even the original version required a pull from the left half or both halves of the handle in order for it to function when the bolt is locked to the rear or out of the weapon.  This new latch assists in operating the handle during these two conditions.  Under normal firing conditions the charging handle can by cycled from the right side - a big plus if you are left handed.  I also found with a standard charging handle that if I had to reach across the gun to pull the handle back I would also be pulling it off center which causes it to hang up some.  Due to the unique cam system of the Armadynamics handle it does not suffer from the same issue.
3/2/2009 7:44:12 PM EDT
[#29]
Hi folks!
Just I thought I'd pop in here with a quick comment regarding the recent upgrade we put in motion for the ACLM charging handle.

The upgrade consists of a small rounded button on the front side of the left grip ONLY. We're calling it a "manual latch override" button because that is EXACTLY what it is, an OVERRIDE for the AUTOMATIC mechanism. It does nothing to change or alter in any way the previous mechanical function of the basic ACLM mechanism. Our patent-pending design allows you to charge your weapon by grabbing and retracting the handle from ANY grip, from ANY side, from ANY angle....that's the beauty of it. You can forget about the need to activate the latch prior to attempting to retract the handle, as the latch opens automatically the moment you begin to pull back on it.

The manual latch override button is there ONLY to provide a positive activation of the latch in NON-FIRING conditions, i.e., when the bolt is locked back on the bolt catch or when the bolt is removed from the gun as in field stripping. Compressing this button merely gives an analogous function to the old GI handle in these two conditions. The original design was intended to allow you to pull against the spring tension popping the latch with a quick tug......some people didn't like that and wished it could offer a functionality like a std GI handle in these two non-firing conditions......we listened, we jumped up and got right to it as a result....now we upgraded the ACLM to offer it as requested.

Remember, the whole reason for the ACLM mechanism is to keep the Operator from having to even consider trying to find and open a latch before pulling back. With the ACLM mechanism....JUST PULL IT!! From ANY angle, from ANY side, from ANY grip. If you can get a purchase on any piece of the handle anywhere you can yank it back and charge the weapon. FORGET the whole latch mentality for once and for all! JUST PULL IT!

The new upgrade to the manual override button simply allows you a way to open the latch without snapping it open. Cleaner, simpler, better. And remember, the ONLY time you are even ever going to think about the manual override is when the bolt is removed from the gun when you are field stripping it, or if you wish to pull the bolt off the bolt catch with the charging handle instead of dropping it with the bolt release. ALL other times, forget the latch and JUST PULL IT!  When you are charging the weapon normally, don't even think about the override button being there, you won't even feel it as remember, as soon as you begin to pull on the handle anywhere it opens the latch automatically anyway, and as the latch opens the override button disappears into the handle cut out so you don't even feel it. If you go to grasp the left side grip to charge the weapon you won't even notice the button, yet if you want to override the automatic opening for any reason, you can at will.

Simple, elegant, unobtrusive.

No, it doesn't work at all like a standard GI handle, it's better in all aspects. And ACLM is not just ambidextrous for southpaws....its unique functionality is so different, so smooth,  and so intuitive once you try it we sincerely feel you'll never want to go back to a charging handle that makes you think about opening a latch manually again.

As an additional aside, we have responded to the critique regarding the desired chamfereing/rounding off of the lower edge of the handle; in concert with the above upgrade all future ACLM production will feature uniform chamfering/rounding of all edges of the grasping handle.  (Yeah, we heard you!!)

Hopefully, this will clear up some of the confusion expressed at the new upgrade. If there are still any questions, PLEASE ask away! We are here for YOU, our valued customers. We WANT you to be happy with our products, we want you to be satisfied with your purchase. And we WANT your business, we have a lot of neat new products like the ACLM headed your way soon and we want to do whatever it takes to make believers out of you so hopefully we can EARN your respect and your business.  We listen, we respond. We're ArmaDynamics. We hope you'll give us the chance to earn your business.

Thanks!
Armament Dynamics Industries, LLC
3/3/2009 5:25:27 AM EDT
[#30]
I initially thought it was an odd fix to bring the old mechanism in, but as the company rep said, the motion to retract the handle is the same in the improved model as it was in the original.

you still only have to pull that whole back part to the rear.  doing so will activate the 'backup' as well.

I like it.  alot.  Will order one when they are available.
3/3/2009 6:04:42 AM EDT
[#31]
Interesting.  I'll wait til someone that runs their gun hard gets a chance to abuse one.
3/3/2009 6:50:31 AM EDT
[#32]
ArmaDynamics

So now it's fully functional in all conditions "pulling" from the left side but not functional when there is no load on the handle pulling from the right side.

Now just go one step further and put an identical lever on the right side that when pulled applies internal pressure to the radius portion/nose or end of the bar. This way you have a fully ambidextrous charging handle in all conditions.

ETA - go ahead and make it 0.188 thousandths wider on each side and deepen it with the gas vents like the Gas Buster. If you do that I will replace all 5 of my GBs.
3/3/2009 6:54:08 AM EDT
[#33]
Quoted:
ArmaDynamics

So now it's fully functional in all conditions "pulling" from the left side but not functional when there is no load on the handle pulling from the right side.

Now just go one step further and put an identical lever on the right side that when pulled applies internal pressure to the radius portion/nose or end of the bar. This way you have a fully ambidextrous charging handle in all conditions.


I'm happy with the first fix.  Save that for next year with a Gen II latch so that the current version can ship .  The Gen II latch can also channel gas away from your face like the PRI gas buster - which would make the gas buster obsolete (IMO)
3/3/2009 6:56:59 AM EDT
[#34]
Quoted:
Quoted:
ArmaDynamics

So now it's fully functional in all conditions "pulling" from the left side but not functional when there is no load on the handle pulling from the right side.

Now just go one step further and put an identical lever on the right side that when pulled applies internal pressure to the radius portion/nose or end of the bar. This way you have a fully ambidextrous charging handle in all conditions.


I'm happy with the first fix.  Save that for next year with a Gen II latch so that the current version can ship .  The Gen II latch can also channel gas away from your face like the PRI gas buster - which would make the gas buster obsolete (IMO)


I added more changes with a edit above which should put delivery back about 3 months. HAH - as if they give a rip what I think needs changin'.  Based on my importance level in the community I imagine you'll have your redesigned Gen I sometime next week.  LOL This looks like a great product and I'm ordering 1 from LaRue now.
3/3/2009 7:12:13 AM EDT
[#35]
Quoted:
So basically they took the very expensive, gee whiz handle and modified it to work like a $25 standard issue charging handle??





3/3/2009 8:41:27 AM EDT
[#36]
Quoted:
ArmaDynamics

So now it's fully functional in all conditions "pulling" from the left side but not functional when there is no load on the handle pulling from the right side.

Now just go one step further and put an identical lever on the right side that when pulled applies internal pressure to the radius portion/nose or end of the bar. This way you have a fully ambidextrous charging handle in all conditions.

ETA - go ahead and make it 0.188 thousandths wider on each side and deepen it with the gas vents like the Gas Buster. If you do that I will replace all 5 of my GBs.



Hi There! I hear you..... ;-)

No, it isn't mechanically possible to add a "right side overrride" as there is still only one latch. Besides we don't want make it TOO easy for lefties.....  . ;-)

Now then....we already have a version of the ACLM that is intended for use in suppressed weapons. A couple salient points to throw out about that. The PRI  "Gas Buster" design represents patented and proprietary intellectual property that we legally can't, nor would we from an ethical standpoint, try and infringe upon, so we won't be putting any "cuts" into the handle as is done in the "Gas Buster". Frankly, we don't need to because.....we have our own patent-pending technology that works even better. It is ***SIMILAR*** in concept, but not execution. You can't patent concepts or ideas, you can only patent specific executions of those ideas. We were fortunate in that from a lucky after-effect of how the basic ACLM is designed and manufactured already, it permitted us to provide a few simple changes which resulted in a version which performs well in suppressed weapons at addressing the problems inherent with the use of suppressors on the host weapon platform.

 We're not ready to release this version yet, but we will as soon as possible. Stay tuned!!
-ArmaDynamics, LLC
3/3/2009 7:03:33 PM EDT
[#37]
Quoted:
Quoted:
ArmaDynamics

So now it's fully functional in all conditions "pulling" from the left side but not functional when there is no load on the handle pulling from the right side.

Now just go one step further and put an identical lever on the right side that when pulled applies internal pressure to the radius portion/nose or end of the bar. This way you have a fully ambidextrous charging handle in all conditions.

ETA - go ahead and make it 0.188 thousandths wider on each side and deepen it with the gas vents like the Gas Buster. If you do that I will replace all 5 of my GBs.



Hi There! I hear you..... ;-)

No, it isn't mechanically possible to add a "right side overrride" as there is still only one latch. Besides we don't want make it TOO easy for lefties.....  . ;-)

Now then....we already have a version of the ACLM that is intended for use in suppressed weapons. A couple salient points to throw out about that. The PRI  "Gas Buster" design represents patented and proprietary intellectual property that we legally can't, nor would we from an ethical standpoint, try and infringe upon, so we won't be putting any "cuts" into the handle as is done in the "Gas Buster". Frankly, we don't need to because.....we have our own patent-pending technology that works even better. It is ***SIMILAR*** in concept, but not execution. You can't patent concepts or ideas, you can only patent specific executions of those ideas. We were fortunate in that from a lucky after-effect of how the basic ACLM is designed and manufactured already, it permitted us to provide a few simple changes which resulted in a version which performs well in suppressed weapons at addressing the problems inherent with the use of suppressors on the host weapon platform.

 We're not ready to release this version yet, but we will as soon as possible. Stay tuned!!
-ArmaDynamics, LLC


roger
I'll just buy one now and a few later.
3/6/2009 3:51:58 PM EDT
[#38]
Just got an email from Tom with ArmaDynamics.  He expects the new version of the handle will begin shipping as early as this Tuesday evening.  I'm anxious to get my hands on the new version.
3/17/2009 5:34:32 AM EDT
[#39]
So would one go about getting an old version?



Will Larue sell me one of the older versions they pulled from the shelves?
3/17/2009 7:13:24 AM EDT
[#40]
These should be getting close to being back at Larue I would assume. I really want one for my duty weapon.

3/17/2009 9:26:35 AM EDT
[#41]
Quoted:
These should be getting close to being back at Larue I would assume. I really want one for my duty weapon.



Guys, we're doing all we can to get these out the door to our Distributors ASAP! TRUST  ME...nobody wants these back out there as much as we do! ;-)

As of this morning here, we are ***expecting*** to get all the parts back from the engraver today. Virtually all our service vendors (anodizer, phosphater, engraver, etc.) are way, way buried in work the last couple months. We use suppliers that are "gun industry" partners and they ALL report levels of business that are previously unheard of.

We've tried to expedite this process as best as we can, but certain elements are out of our control. That being said, I have absolutely no problem in keeping our customers 110% fully informed at all times as to current status, etc. If we have a problem, we'll tell you. We're not ever going to BS you because we want you to be a customer for life and a satisfied customer.....first time and every time.

-ArmaDynamics, LLC
3/17/2009 10:51:47 AM EDT
[#42]
Quoted:
Quoted:
These should be getting close to being back at Larue I would assume. I really want one for my duty weapon.



Guys, we're doing all we can to get these out the door to our Distributors ASAP! TRUST  ME...nobody wants these back out there as much as we do! ;-)

As of this morning here, we are ***expecting*** to get all the parts back from the engraver today. Virtually all our service vendors (anodizer, phosphater, engraver, etc.) are way, way buried in work the last couple months. We use suppliers that are "gun industry" partners and they ALL report levels of business that are previously unheard of.

We've tried to expedite this process as best as we can, but certain elements are out of our control. That being said, I have absolutely no problem in keeping our customers 110% fully informed at all times as to current status, etc. If we have a problem, we'll tell you. We're not ever going to BS you because we want you to be a customer for life and a satisfied customer.....first time and every time.

-ArmaDynamics, LLC


Mark made a good choice selling your product and dealing with you. You and Mark are alot of like in the way ya'll handle customer service. You keep this good service up and no doubt you will have more business then a lil bit



3/17/2009 11:45:44 AM EDT
[#43]
While a new charging handle is not high on the list right now, I will definitely be getting one at some point.  Great CS, great idea. I really like the design of this handle, I am impressed with your quick response to customer issues and ability to quickly correct (or maybe modify is a better word) to fit the needs/wants of the end user.  I just need 9 more lowers, 13.2 rail, FUG, micro T1, etc. first.  Unless you need some testing done... then by all means, I'd love to help.
3/17/2009 3:28:40 PM EDT
[#44]
Wow! So now there are two companies out there that have awesome customer service.
I'll never get why other companies can't figure this out. Thanks.
3/17/2009 3:52:01 PM EDT
[#45]
Quoted:
Quoted:
These should be getting close to being back at Larue I would assume. I really want one for my duty weapon.



Guys, we're doing all we can to get these out the door to our Distributors ASAP! TRUST  ME...nobody wants these back out there as much as we do! ;-)

As of this morning here, we are ***expecting*** to get all the parts back from the engraver today. Virtually all our service vendors (anodizer, phosphater, engraver, etc.) are way, way buried in work the last couple months. We use suppliers that are "gun industry" partners and they ALL report levels of business that are previously unheard of.

We've tried to expedite this process as best as we can, but certain elements are out of our control. That being said, I have absolutely no problem in keeping our customers 110% fully informed at all times as to current status, etc. If we have a problem, we'll tell you. We're not ever going to BS you because we want you to be a customer for life and a satisfied customer.....first time and every time.

-ArmaDynamics, LLC



//Colonel Klink//

so....do you verk for zee LaRueminati?

//Colonel Klink//










i'll be picking up a few of these. i have a lot of lefty shooters running around here. (i'll also need several of the "suppressor friendly" models)

A+ for the initial customer service and updates. you're well on your way to earning a lot of support and respect.

THANK YOU






3/20/2009 4:39:34 PM EDT
[#46]
Just wanted to let everyone know we began shipping out all the upgrade program replacement ACLM handles yesterday night, and all the back orders that were waiting for the upgrade feature to be incorporated.

Give it a couple days for FEDEX to do its delivery thing, but all our Distributors should have all ACLM back orders filled and in stock by mid-week next.

 We appreciate all the commentaries (good and bad), and we worked hard to produce an upgraded product that you will like.

Thanks!

-Tom H/ArmaDynamics, LLC
3/21/2009 9:15:06 PM EDT
[#47]
I look forward to the enhanced hardware.

The older version has been working very well for me (I've been able to get the tip of my thumb to quickly release the latch manually during stoppages). The version with the additional button will soon be on all the rifles I regularly use.
3/22/2009 3:54:06 AM EDT
[#48]
Since they have re-designed the charging-handle, why not make it a gas-buster type as well? I think then they would have an all-around gangbuster of a product. As it stands, I would buy one if it weren't for the PRI gas-buster I have. I love it. If the two could be rolled into one, I think it would be awesome.

As it stands, lefties should love this product, as should someone who practices/uses transitions.

PS. Looks like some awesome CS going on from this company!
3/22/2009 3:56:24 AM EDT
[#49]
IIRC that is in the works, no?
3/22/2009 5:53:31 AM EDT
[#50]
This is an ambi charging handle, and a gas buster type would spit gas into the face of the lefty shooters and shooters who shoot their weapons weak side. I am liking this unit and if it can stand up and perform under abusive conditions. I will have one in my rifle.
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