Posted: 2/3/2015 10:53:14 AM EDT
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Hi all, awhile back I ordered 4 of these and I've had pretty good luck with them: V2 NIB BCG
First, I'm wondering if those will ever be in stock as I'd like to buy more of them. Barring that, why isn't there a current offering that is fully NIB (including bolt and gas key) and that has a machined gas key instead of cast? Aim, is THIS the current comparable offering and am I stuck with nitride or will we see these in full NIB? Thanks. |
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the V2 NiB are no longer offered, the XAIMBCG-X is a superior product.
please don't worry about the investment cast key, 20,000 BCGs are out there from us, with 0.....failures there are ALLOT of other BCGs out there from other manufacturers using the same part, with 0 failures. |
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the V2 NiB are no longer offered, the XAIMBCG-X is a superior product. please don't worry about the investment cast key, 20,000 BCGs are out there from us, with 0.....failures there are ALLOT of other BCGs out there from other manufacturers using the same part, with 0 failures. Looks like the same carrier, but with a nitrided bolt and key. Same steel materials. Why is it considered superior? |
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I believe the EXO NiB is superior to regular NiB coating.
Notice the darker color. Quote from another website: By the science, there is an argument that these are better.
For example, nickel boron is the coating that mostly benefits the cleaning process. You want the carrier in a DI system to be easy to clean. There maybe some surface hardening over park'ed steel, but that is not the design intent. There is also a lubricity component in NiB that people value. Nitride is a whole different ball of wax. Here are the main characteristics (lifted from the website of a materials supply company I'm familiar with: * Excellent wear resistance/hardness * Low thermal expansion * Good chemical corrosion resistance * High temperature performance * Good thermal shock behaviour * Good flexural strength * Low weight * High Stiffness * Electrically insulating The idea is that the nitride bolt (where you want parts the strongest) uses this treatment to improve its strength, wear characteristics, things mentioned above, etc. |
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Thanks, but I'm looking elsewhere. Bryan says it is "superior" to the previous BCG and then offers nothing to back that statement up. If he said they just wanted to offer a cheaper/less expensive product I'd be fine with that, but I don't like being BS'd.
Looking through this forum, Bryan has repeatedly said that Nitride resides somewhere between phosphate and NiB in terms of slickness/lubricity/ease of cleaning. He certainly has not inspired confidence that Nitride is superior to NiB in his previous statements. In fact, some folks question whether Nitride is detrimental to the heat treatment of the bolt material (9310 already being more likely to be brittle and harder to heat treat compared to 158). Further, the description for this new bolt leaves out some important components that were included in the V2...like "billet" and "lifetime warranty". It is fairly obvious to me that this new "hybrid" BCG is just a thinly veiled attempt at cost savings. That's great for some, but I would have gladly continued to pony up an additional $20 for a better product. PSA offers a fully NiB BCG with Carpenter 158 bolt for $119...AIM needs to take note and offer a truly competitive product. God knows I'd rather give Aim my money than PSA. |
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Sorry for the delay in responding, I was working on my mothers estate and wasn't in the office.
this carrier isn't the same carrier we used it in the past. This is a re-designed carrier designed by another Large corporation that didn't take the remainder of the contract as they had trouble selling complete ARs. I swooped in and got them, it has a redesigned cam pin path, angled cuts, and yes uses Exo technology. Now the only thing i prefer about the Exo coating is it does resist staining better as its a grey finish, and isn't as polished as our normal NiB so burnt lube doesn't stain it. But it is more expensive to get done and doesn't look as sharp new. The bolt, extractor and key are nitride, which will always be my favorite when it comes to BCGs. |
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Thanks, but I'm looking elsewhere. Bryan says it is "superior" to the previous BCG and then offers nothing to back that statement up. If he said they just wanted to offer a cheaper/less expensive product I'd be fine with that, but I don't like being BS'd. Looking through this forum, Bryan has repeatedly said that Nitride resides somewhere between phosphate and NiB in terms of slickness/lubricity/ease of cleaning. He certainly has not inspired confidence that Nitride is superior to NiB in his previous statements. In fact, some folks question whether Nitride is detrimental to the heat treatment of the bolt material (9310 already being more likely to be brittle and harder to heat treat compared to 158). Further, the description for this new bolt leaves out some important components that were included in the V2...like "billet" and "lifetime warranty". It is fairly obvious to me that this new "hybrid" BCG is just a thinly veiled attempt at cost savings. That's great for some, but I would have gladly continued to pony up an additional $20 for a better product. PSA offers a fully NiB BCG with Carpenter 158 bolt for $119...AIM needs to take note and offer a truly competitive product. God knows I'd rather give Aim my money than PSA. Nitride Bolts are done at a different temp, just like barrels, so that the heat treatment isn't affected. So far in the two years we have offered AIM BCGs, no service has been turned down, we have done the same warranty repairs on the V2s as we have done on the BDGs. I have taken care for the guys who paid $79 as I have the guys who paid $129. I sell BCGs for $79.95 Phosphate BDG $89.95 Nitride BDG $99.95 NiB BDG $99.95 Nitride V2 $109.95 BCG X all are good, i would choose the $109.95 if its my $, but feel free to choose whatever floats your boat. I have sold Carpenter 158 V2s and 9310 V2s. Carpenter 158 is cheaper, so i can save $ on those but its harder to get, which is why V2s are almost always out of stock. We have yet to have any cracked 9310 bolts, and sold 20,000. |
| Judging from my personal experiences with AIM, and everything i have heard over the years, i do not think this is a thinly veiled attempt at cost savings. To me, it is trying to mix the lubricity of NiB where it is needed, with the corrosion resistance of Nitride where it is needed. I personally don't like the look of the BCG, but as far as functionality, i think they tried to get the best of both worlds. It could be an unintended result, but judging by the parts chosen for each finish, that is what i assume. |
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this carrier isn't the same carrier we used it in the past. This is a re-designed carrier designed by another Large corporation that didn't take the remainder of the contract as they had trouble selling complete ARs. I swooped in and got them, it has a redesigned cam pin path, angled cuts, and yes uses Exo technology. Now the only thing i prefer about the Exo coating is it does resist staining better as its a grey finish, and isn't as polished as our normal NiB so burnt lube doesn't stain it. But it is more expensive to get done and doesn't look as sharp new. Can you talk more about the highlighted part above? Is the cam pin path modified to delay bolt unlocking or something? What problem was it designed to solve? Short gas systems, short barrels, etc? Also, I don't see it mentioned on the web page. Do any of your other carriers have this feature? I'm probably going to go with one of your BCGs, but I'd like to hear a little more about the cam pin path mods to figure out if it's something I'd want for my build. |
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I just got 2 of your BCGX. They look AWESOME!
I know you can probably run them wet or dry, but do you recommend lube or running them dry? For me either way is fine since lubing and cleaning is no big deal, so I am asking more from an overall reliability/longevity standpoint.... not from a convenience, or dirtiness standpoint. Thanks |
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I just got 2 of your BCGX. They look AWESOME! I know you can probably run them wet or dry, but do you recommend lube or running them dry? For me either way is fine since lubing and cleaning is no big deal, so I am asking more from an overall reliability/longevity standpoint.... not from a convenience, or dirtiness standpoint. Thanks Always lube, especially if it's new. NiB is easier to clean, as is nitride, but both always need to be lubed. |
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Quoted: Thanks, but I'm looking elsewhere. Bryan says it is "superior" to the previous BCG and then offers nothing to back that statement up. If he said they just wanted to offer a cheaper/less expensive product I'd be fine with that, but I don't like being BS'd. Looking through this forum, Bryan has repeatedly said that Nitride resides somewhere between phosphate and NiB in terms of slickness/lubricity/ease of cleaning. He certainly has not inspired confidence that Nitride is superior to NiB in his previous statements. In fact, some folks question whether Nitride is detrimental to the heat treatment of the bolt material (9310 already being more likely to be brittle and harder to heat treat compared to 158). Further, the description for this new bolt leaves out some important components that were included in the V2...like "billet" and "lifetime warranty". It is fairly obvious to me that this new "hybrid" BCG is just a thinly veiled attempt at cost savings. That's great for some, but I would have gladly continued to pony up an additional $20 for a better product. PSA offers a fully NiB BCG with Carpenter 158 bolt for $119...AIM needs to take note and offer a truly competitive product. God knows I'd rather give Aim my money than PSA. One big advantage to nitride is that it add zero thickness so no dimensions are altered. Nitride is a surface treatment, not a coating. A nitride bolt has a tough-as-hell treatment that won't cause already-tight tolerances to be even tighter. Lots of threads here about people having trouble with super-match this and ultra-match that. Personally I go all nitride but I think it's a smart move to offer the combo. -Stooxie |
