Posted: 7/1/2011 11:54:27 AM EDT
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I just swapped (unknowingly) from Gen 1's to Gen 2's and I gotta say I wish I hadn't. I didn't realize there was a difference and traded a local gun shop a set of OD Gen 1's for a set of black Gen 2's before I knew there even was a Gen 2.
The Gen 2's (at least the one's I got) are not nearly as sturdy and the "peep" apertures seem kind of backwards. It folds forward instead of backward which causes a strange "halo" effect when you look through it because of the way the small aperture fits into the larger one. You actually see the edge of the cone that slips into the large aperture. It seems like if it was the other way, the coned shape of the small aperture that fits into the larger one would be much more clear to look through. The small range aperture doesn't stay up at all either, it just falls over. When they're down they don't sit flat on my upper receiver either which the Gen 1's did, and there seems to be a lot of side to side play at the pivot point. I noticed that the pin that holds them together walks a bit from side to side as well and seems like it could easily fall out if you don't pay attention to it. I'm seriously regretting the trade at this point, I thought I was just swapping for color and now its too late to get mine back.  I just took the Gen 2's off and tossed them in a box until I get some time to either send them back or take a better look at them to see if I can fix any of the issues.
Magpul, is there any chance I just got a bad set or are these typical issues with the Gen 2's? I really don't remember my Gen 1's having any of these issues and other than the color of them I was completely satisfied with them. Looking back, the color was much less of a problem to me than what I'm dealing with now 
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I just swapped (unknowingly) from Gen 1's to Gen 2's and I gotta say I wish I hadn't. I didn't realize there was a difference and traded a local gun shop a set of OD Gen 1's for a set of black Gen 2's before I knew there even was a Gen 2. The Gen 2's (at least the one's I got) are not nearly as sturdy and the "peep" apertures seem kind of backwards. It folds forward instead of backward which causes a strange "halo" effect when you look through it because of the way the small aperture fits into the larger one. You actually see the edge of the cone that slips into the large aperture. It seems like if it was the other way, the coned shape of the small aperture that fits into the larger one would be much more clear to look through. The small range aperture doesn't stay up at all either, it just falls over. When they're down they don't sit flat on my upper receiver either which the Gen 1's did, and there seems to be a lot of side to side play at the pivot point. I noticed that the pin that holds them together walks a bit from side to side as well and seems like it could easily fall out if you don't pay attention to it. I'm seriously regretting the trade at this point, I thought I was just swapping for color and now its too late to get mine back. I just took the Gen 2's off and tossed them in a box until I get some time to either send them back or take a better look at them to see if I can fix any of the issues.
Magpul, is there any chance I just got a bad set or are these typical issues with the Gen 2's? I really don't remember my Gen 1's having any of these issues and other than the color of them I was completely satisfied with them. Looking back, the color was much less of a problem to me than what I'm dealing with now While the Gen 1's were a great sight, the Gen 2 are superior in fit and finish. Hard to tell without seeing them, but the issues you described make me think you got some counterfeits... BTW both generation's apertures fold forward. |
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How can I tell if their fakes? I got them from a reputable dealer that I buy quite a bit of Magpul stuff from (I'm almost positive their a Magpul Authorized dealer). They were new in the display case, so I don't know how we could have gotten rooked unless he got them somewhere else and didn't realize they were fakes.
Everything looks legit on them and like I said, I have TONS of Magpul stuff and usualy can spot a fake pretty clearly with other products. I'll take a few pics of them when I get home from work and post them up. I thought my Gen 1's folded forward, but did the design of the cone that fits into the larger aperature change? I don't remember being able to see the edges of the cone on the samll aperature that fints into the large aperature. I could have sworn that when you sighted down the small aperature, you were looking into the the cone from its wide angle, narrowing down toward the front of the gun rather than the oposite. I don't know if I'm explaining in a way that you can understand what I mean. I can't even understand what the hell I'm talking about right now....  Maybe I'm wrong and just didn't notice it with the Gen 1's?
Anyway, is there anything I can look for that is a tell tale sign of them being bunk? I'll take them back to the dealer if thats the case and make them order me new ones. If they are legit, can I send them back or get replacements or do I have to go to the dealer for that too? Thanks for the quick repsonse by the way. I do appreciate it. |
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How can I tell if their fakes? I got them from a reputable dealer that I buy quite a bit of Magpul stuff from (I'm almost positive their a Magpul Authorized dealer). They were new in the display case, so I don't know how we could have gotten rooked unless he got them somewhere else and didn't realize they were fakes. Everything looks legit on them and like I said, I have TONS of Magpul stuff and usualy can spot a fake pretty clearly with other products. I'll take a few pics of them when I get home from work and post them up. I thought my Gen 1's folded forward, but did the design of the cone that fits into the larger aperature change? I don't remember being able to see the edges of the cone on the samll aperature that fints into the large aperature. I could have sworn that when you sighted down the small aperature, you were looking into the the cone from its wide angle, narrowing down toward the front of the gun rather than the oposite. I don't know if I'm explaining in a way that you can understand what I mean. I can't even understand what the hell I'm talking about right now.... Maybe I'm wrong and just didn't notice it with the Gen 1's?
Anyway, is there anything I can look for that is a tell tale sign of them being bunk? I'll take them back to the dealer if thats the case and make them order me new ones. If they are legit, can I send them back or get replacements or do I have to go to the dealer for that too? Thanks for the quick repsonse by the way. I do appreciate it. It's typically hard to describe the various counterfeits. They basically just feel like crap. You're always welcome to send it in for inspection though. Please email or call for details. |
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I thank you guys for the responses. I did get an IM from Magpul stating that he would gladly take them back and swap them for me, so just as always you guys are all on top of the customer service game without question. You guys are the shit and that's one of the reasons why your products are all over my guns.
I spoke to the dealer I got them from today and he said he'd take them back and make it right, so I'm gonna go that route rather than sending them back myself. I will recommend that the dealer send them back to you asap. One thing I did notice was that the allen bolts were metric, while the allen bolts in my Magpul polymer pic rails were standard. Not sure if that means anything. I also noticed that the rear sight doesn't have the Magpul "M" on the top, while the front sight does. I'm leaning toward fake and I greatly apologize for questioning Magpul quality on this one. I definately jumped the gun and I gotta be honest, I never expected to get fakes from this dealer nor did I expect them to look this real. Come to think of it, my Gen 1's had flat head screws in them I think, I don't remember using an allen to take them off or put them on. |
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Couple of questions: Do the Gen 2 sights come in a box similar to the Gen 1's or in a plastic bag affixed to a cardboard insert? The front sight I ordered from a site sponsor came in the bag, while the rear site my fiancee picked up at a local store (also a site sponsor and magpul dealer) came in a box. Also, has there been any issues with a sort of delayed release on the front sites? If I press the site from the top or left sides it pops right up, however from the right side, it doesn't seem to engage completely and will stick when depressed (sometimes only momentarily, other times until it's bumped up). The issue probably isn't worth the hassle of sending back as their sitting on a range toy, but I thought I'd ask while I inquired about the packaging. Thank you. ETA: Please disregard, got the wrong info about the packaging  |
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Depending on the age of the sight we've used hex-head and slotted-head bolts. However, we've never used any metric fasteners. It sounds like it may be a counterfeit after all... 
No doubt, they were fake. The fasteners being metric were a dead give away, but once they were lined up next to the originals again, the difference was incredibly obvious. I should have known but I never expected to get fakes from this dealer. It never even crossed my mind. Dam Chinese crap, its not even close when you have them next to each other and I'm actually kind of pissed at myself for not knowing immediately that these were bunk.
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Depending on the age of the sight we've used hex-head and slotted-head bolts. However, we've never used any metric fasteners. It sounds like it may be a counterfeit after all...
No doubt, they were fake. The fasteners being metric were a dead give away, but once they were lined up next to the originals again, the difference was incredibly obvious. I should have known but I never expected to get fakes from this dealer. It never even crossed my mind. Dam Chinese crap, its not even close when you have them next to each other and I'm actually kind of pissed at myself for not knowing immediately that these were bunk.
Didn't magpul give the go ahead for some airsoft version of their Mbus sights? The markings were different but I thought the packages still had Magpul on them??? By the way, I run the Gen2 front an drear on one of my rifles and LOVE it. |
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Depending on the age of the sight we've used hex-head and slotted-head bolts. However, we've never used any metric fasteners. It sounds like it may be a counterfeit after all... No doubt, they were fake. The fasteners being metric were a dead give away, but once they were lined up next to the originals again, the difference was incredibly obvious. I should have known but I never expected to get fakes from this dealer. It never even crossed my mind. Dam Chinese crap, its not even close when you have them next to each other and I'm actually kind of pissed at myself for not knowing immediately that these were bunk. Didn't magpul give the go ahead for some airsoft version of their Mbus sights? The markings were different but I thought the packages still had Magpul on them??? By the way, I run the Gen2 front an drear on one of my rifles and LOVE it. The growth of the Magpul Industries Corp. product line in popularity and selection over the past several years has created significant worldwide demand for Airsoft compatible Magpul accessories. Based on this demand and the desire to expand the mission of Airsoft products, Hong Kong based Professional Training & Simulation by Magpul (PTS) was established in 2007. PTS provides high quality Airsoft products suitable for both non-lethal training applications and civilian gaming use. By maintaining the same basic form and function as authentic Magpul weapon components, PTS replicas allow users to safely practice drills and perform scenarios without the use of live weapons or ammunition. While of excellent quality for their intended use, PTS Airsoft components should never be used on a real firearm and all of their products are labelled "PTS" to help distinguish them from authentic Magpul as well as from counterfeits. |