[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Instead of an ACR... (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/28/2010 9:19:29 AM EDT
How about mass producing Magpul ambi lowers 
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Huge successful products Magpul has RnD'd or at least prototyped but ether decided not to produce or produced in very limited quantity and no longer produces.
Magpul Lower (Has and could continue to be licensed for outside production with royalties) FMG (If offered in a kit form with a 16" aftermarket barrel wouldn't require firearm licensing) Nether of the above would incur the "Liability" Magpul thinks they would be under if they produced firearms. PDR Massoud Magpul your consumer base has been screaming for these for YEARS. At leased you've figured out that licensing a firearm to another company is a huge mistake. Do it right, do it yourself. Magpul Firearms Division If I'm missing any please add to the list. |
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I second this motion, but I'd say "in addition to the ACR" Yes but the ACR is now Bushmasters so instead of paying $2,500 on a good day for a caliber I don't want, I'd rather pay for a $300 for an ambi lower and build from that. and for that same $2,500 I could have a really nice rifle that I want. |
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Huge successful products Magpul has RnD'd or at least prototyped but ether decided not to produce or produced in very limited quantity and no longer produces. Magpul Lower (Has and could continue to be licensed for outside production with royalties) FMG (If offered in a kit form with a 16" aftermarket barrel wouldn't require firearm licensing) Nether of the above would incur the "Liability" Magpul thinks they would be under if they produced firearms. PDR Massoud Magpul your consumer base has been screaming for these for YEARS. At leased you've figured out that licensing a firearm to another company is a huge mistake. Do it right, do it yourself. Magpul Firearms Division If I'm missing any please add to the list. Oh, SOC, you've got so much to learn. Not much of a business guy are ya? The thing is you have little insight on the inner workings of our business. |
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Huge successful products Magpul has RnD'd or at least prototyped but ether decided not to produce or produced in very limited quantity and no longer produces. Magpul Lower (Has and could continue to be licensed for outside production with royalties) FMG (If offered in a kit form with a 16" aftermarket barrel wouldn't require firearm licensing) Nether of the above would incur the "Liability" Magpul thinks they would be under if they produced firearms. PDR Massoud Magpul your consumer base has been screaming for these for YEARS. At leased you've figured out that licensing a firearm to another company is a huge mistake. Do it right, do it yourself. Magpul Firearms Division If I'm missing any please add to the list. I'm sure Magpul has in house counsel that has advised them of the legal ramifications of these and all other kinds of matters. In any case, they've made a business decision not to go into this kind of work. |
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Huge successful products Magpul has RnD'd or at least prototyped but ether decided not to produce or produced in very limited quantity and no longer produces. Magpul Lower (Has and could continue to be licensed for outside production with royalties) FMG (If offered in a kit form with a 16" aftermarket barrel wouldn't require firearm licensing) Nether of the above would incur the "Liability" Magpul thinks they would be under if they produced firearms. PDR Massoud Magpul your consumer base has been screaming for these for YEARS. At leased you've figured out that licensing a firearm to another company is a huge mistake. Do it right, do it yourself. Magpul Firearms Division If I'm missing any please add to the list. I'm sure Magpul has in house counsel that has advised them of the legal ramifications of these and all other kinds of matters. In any case, they've made a business decision not to go into this kind of work. ....Insurance  . Its been covered elsewhere.
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Huge successful products Magpul has RnD'd or at least prototyped but ether decided not to produce or produced in very limited quantity and no longer produces. Magpul Lower (Has and could continue to be licensed for outside production with royalties) FMG (If offered in a kit form with a 16" aftermarket barrel wouldn't require firearm licensing) Nether of the above would incur the "Liability" Magpul thinks they would be under if they produced firearms. PDR Massoud Magpul your consumer base has been screaming for these for YEARS. At leased you've figured out that licensing a firearm to another company is a huge mistake. Do it right, do it yourself. Magpul Firearms Division If I'm missing any please add to the list. I'm sure Magpul has in house counsel that has advised them of the legal ramifications of these and all other kinds of matters. In any case, they've made a business decision not to go into this kind of work. ....Insurance . Its been covered elsewhere.
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They oughta try making a polymer framed pistol. Just to see what kind of cool innovations they'd come up with. What they really ought to make is a super awesome make-everything machine that they can directly hook up to arfcom so every tom, dick, and popsicle stick can instantly bring to fruition all of their "original" ideas. 
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Huge successful products Magpul has RnD'd or at least prototyped but ether decided not to produce or produced in very limited quantity and no longer produces. Magpul Lower (Has and could continue to be licensed for outside production with royalties) FMG (If offered in a kit form with a 16" aftermarket barrel wouldn't require firearm licensing) Nether of the above would incur the "Liability" Magpul thinks they would be under if they produced firearms. PDR Massoud Magpul your consumer base has been screaming for these for YEARS. At leased you've figured out that licensing a firearm to another company is a huge mistake. Do it right, do it yourself. Magpul Firearms Division If I'm missing any please add to the list. Oh, SOC, you've got so much to learn. Not much of a business guy are ya? The thing is you have little insight on the inner workings of our business. I own my own business, have an FFL and am planing on getting my 07 within two years. Please enlighten me to your inner workings... O yeah you won't. |
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Huge successful products Magpul has RnD'd or at least prototyped but ether decided not to produce or produced in very limited quantity and no longer produces. Magpul Lower (Has and could continue to be licensed for outside production with royalties) FMG (If offered in a kit form with a 16" aftermarket barrel wouldn't require firearm licensing) Nether of the above would incur the "Liability" Magpul thinks they would be under if they produced firearms. PDR Massoud Magpul your consumer base has been screaming for these for YEARS. At leased you've figured out that licensing a firearm to another company is a huge mistake. Do it right, do it yourself. Magpul Firearms Division If I'm missing any please add to the list. Oh, SOC, you've got so much to learn. Not much of a business guy are ya? The thing is you have little insight on the inner workings of our business. I own my own business, have an FFL and am planing on getting my 07 within two years. Please enlighten me to your inner workings... O yeah you won't. Owning a business does not make you a good business man there tuff guy. |
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Magpul licensed the ACR out because they aren't set up for that kind of production. Same for lowers. I don't think most actually expected MAGPUL to produce lowers in-house. Their last lowers were not. I recall that the issue had to do with liability insurance hence the lowers that NOVESKE had received for their limited run. |
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Owning a business does not make you a good business man there tuff guy. How'd that Masada thing work out for you guys? Oh yeah, so much awesomeness that you refuse to talk about it. Before you insult another person's business acumen, your own better be unreprochable. |
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How'd that Masada thing work out for you guys? Oh yeah, so much awesomeness that you refuse to talk about it.
Before you insult another person's business acumen, your own better be unreprochable. Actually it's called the ACR, and is produced by Bushmaster/Remington. And from what I hear from people who ACTUALLY HAVE ONE, it's a pretty sweet rig. If I had the money, I would get one. |
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I just can't imagine it has anything to do with "insurance".
There are seemingly much much smaller companies out there churning out stripped lowers and many of them seem to be doing fine. That line of thinking begs the Masada question. Why dump Magpul lowers due to "insurance" reasons but yet continue to do development on the Masada? The only logical reason I can think of is that selling the rights for the Masada was always the plan from the beginning? |
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Owning a business does not make you a good business man there tuff guy. How'd that Masada thing work out for you guys? Oh yeah, so much awesomeness that you refuse to talk about it. Before you insult another person's business acumen, your own better be unreprochable. You tell them. They should hire you to just sit there at the Magpul offices so you can, "tell them how it is." That way when they have to make a business decision you can give your unsolicited and poorly reasoned input. Magpul would be so much more successful if they did that. 
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Owning a business does not make you a good business man there tuff guy. How'd that Masada thing work out for you guys? Oh yeah, so much awesomeness that you refuse to talk about it. Before you insult another person's business acumen, your own better be unreprochable. Damn Drake...
Magpul is really close to my "don't buy from" list. 
The companies that participate the most on this site can't seem to keep their business attitude. 
Everything has been downhill since the tease with the Magpul lower. I'm kinda glad the ACR is meh. meh. |
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How about mass producing Magpul ambi lowers 1. Buy POF USA ambi lower. 2. Buy and install a Never Quit mag well grip. 3. Pretend that the POF lower is a Magpul lower. 4. ????? 5. Profit!
-Ed LOL cant there trigger guard is permenant that's why I need the magpul
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How'd that Masada thing work out for you guys? Oh yeah, so much awesomeness that you refuse to talk about it.
Before you insult another person's business acumen, your own better be unreprochable. Actually it's called the ACR, and is produced by Bushmaster/Remington. And from what I hear from people who ACTUALLY HAVE ONE, it's a pretty sweet rig. If I had the money, I would get one. That's oversimplifying the situation a bit. Besides, if they cost what was intended, you would have the money.
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Man, there sure are a lot of people in here that have all the answers. Just because one thing doesnt go your way you cut ties and start bashing. Everyone here talks about how Magpul did this or that and screwed the customer, yet they do hundreds of great things and one thing YOU dont agree with and they are the worst company ever. All the great things Magpul has done for this industry means jackshit to you guys and you continue to focus on one thing they did which you do not agree with.
If yall know how to run such an impecable business why arent you? And Magpul's "business acumen" is about as "unreprochable" as it gets in this industry. IMO |
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Man, there sure are a lot of people in here that have all the answers. Just because one thing doesnt go your way you cut ties and start bashing. Everyone here talks about how Magpul did this or that and screwed the customer, yet they do hundreds of great things and they do one thing YOU dont agree with and they are the worst company ever. All the great things Magpul has done for this industry means jackshit to you guys and you continue to focus on one thing they did which you do not agree with. If yall know how to run such an impecable business why arent you? And Magpul's "business acumen" is about as "unreprochable" as it gets in this industry. IMO Mine happen to come from my ass.....
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Man, there sure are a lot of people in here that have all the answers. Just because one thing doesnt go your way you cut ties and start bashing. Everyone here talks about how Magpul did this or that and screwed the customer, yet they do hundreds of great things and they do one thing YOU dont agree with and they are the worst company ever. All the great things Magpul has done for this industry means jackshit to you guys and you continue to focus on one thing they did which you do not agree with. If yall know how to run such an impecable business why arent you? And Magpul's "business acumen" is about as "unreprochable" as it gets in this industry. IMO Mine happen to come from my ass.....
Your ass must be really sore. 
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All the great things Magpul has done for this industry... What "great" things have they done for the industry? They make accessories just like many other companies. I don't hate Magpul I'm just annoyed by how they do things. I think it started after they promised all these add-ons for their M93B stock and then discontinued it. Then they made a lower receiver that everyone wanted and they kept promising (more than a year) but they ditched that. They tease us at every shot show with products that may never be. And even cool crap they make just to show how cool they are. (The vehicle crap) The Masada was supposed to be so great. Now its just something different...maybe a good shooter...but not so amazing that its worth the price of 2 AR15s. And then theres 2 different versions of it. One of which we probably can't have.
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All the great things Magpul has done for this industry... What "great" things have they done for the industry? They make accessories just like many other companies. I don't hate Magpul I'm just annoyed by how they do things. I think it started after they promised all these add-ons for their M93B stock and then discontinued it. Then they made a lower receiver that everyone wanted and they kept promising (more than a year) but they ditched that. They tease us at every shot show with products that may never be. And even cool crap they make just to show how cool they are. (The vehicle crap) The Masada was supposed to be so great. Now its just something different...maybe a good shooter...but not so amazing that its worth the price of 2 AR15s. And then theres 2 different versions of it. One of which we probably can't have. Damn, you must have been one spoiled child. 90% of the products the firearms industry makes I will never own, mainly because I cant afford them. But that doesnt mean I start bashing that company because they wont lower their price. The thing is that you dont know what is going on in their shop. All those products you say they are teasing you with may not work as advertised or they are not happy with the outcome. My point is you dont know what they are thinking. This is why they know longer talk about products in the making because when they do everyone starts hasseling them about when its gonna come out and bash them when it takes longer than expected. And even cool crap they make just to show how cool they are. (The vehicle crap)
This quote really tells me what kind of guy you are. You get annoyed with someone becuase, yet again, they have something that you cant. Just be happy that Magpul continues to create products that help improve your shooting ability and that of the rifle. They also continue to teach thousands of people each year in self defense shooting. |
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All the great things Magpul has done for this industry... What "great" things have they done for the industry? They make accessories just like many other companies. I don't hate Magpul I'm just annoyed by how they do things. I think it started after they promised all these add-ons for their M93B stock and then discontinued it. Then they made a lower receiver that everyone wanted and they kept promising (more than a year) but they ditched that. They tease us at every shot show with products that may never be. And even cool crap they make just to show how cool they are. (The vehicle crap) The Masada was supposed to be so great. Now its just something different...maybe a good shooter...but not so amazing that its worth the price of 2 AR15s. And then theres 2 different versions of it. One of which we probably can't have. Damn, you must have been one spoiled child. 90% of the products the firearms industry makes I will never own, mainly because I cant afford them. But that doesnt mean I start bashing that company because they wont lower their price. The thing is that you dont know what is going on in their shop. All those products you say they are teasing you with may not work as advertised or they are not happy with the outcome. My point is you dont know what they are thinking. This is why they know longer talk about products in the making because when they do everyone starts hasseling them about when its gonna come out and bash them when it takes longer than expected. And even cool crap they make just to show how cool they are. (The vehicle crap)
This quote really tells me what kind of guy you are. You get annoyed with someone becuase, yet again, they have something that you cant. Just be happy that Magpul continues to create products that help improve your shooting ability and that of the rifle. They also continue to teach thousands of people each year in self defense shooting. I didn't bash Magpul for not lowering prices. I think Magpul prices are just fine. I bashed the price of the ACR. (My opinion) I didn't bash the company that makes it. If they chose to stop showing new stuff to us on the forums because we hassle them about it then why do they do the same thing at Shot Show? Magpul Dynamics and their training has nothing to do with anything I said. Unless your saying thats Magpul's great thing they've done for the industry? They teamed up with Mr. Haley to make his training thing great. I've been lurking for a long time. I just think they've changed. I can't wait to see their custom yacht at next years firearms trade show. 
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All the great things Magpul has done for this industry... What "great" things have they done for the industry? They make accessories just like many other companies. I don't hate Magpul I'm just annoyed by how they do things. I think it started after they promised all these add-ons for their M93B stock and then discontinued it. Then they made a lower receiver that everyone wanted and they kept promising (more than a year) but they ditched that. They tease us at every shot show with products that may never be. And even cool crap they make just to show how cool they are. (The vehicle crap) The Masada was supposed to be so great. Now its just something different...maybe a good shooter...but not so amazing that its worth the price of 2 AR15s. And then theres 2 different versions of it. One of which we probably can't have. If you hate them because of cool stuff they have that you don't have it's called envy my friend. But in the end, if it bothers you so much and cannot take it anymore, stop being a customer for your own well being. |
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How'd that Masada thing work out for you guys? Oh yeah, so much awesomeness that you refuse to talk about it.
Before you insult another person's business acumen, your own better be unreprochable. Actually it's called the ACR, and is produced by Bushmaster/Remington. And from what I hear from people who ACTUALLY HAVE ONE, it's a pretty sweet rig. If I had the money, I would get one. That's oversimplifying the situation a bit. Besides, if they cost what was intended, you would have the money. It would have to be less than $500 for me to afford it right now. Still hurting from the spring semesters bill. 
Man, there sure are a lot of people in here that have all the answers. Just because one thing doesnt go your way you cut ties and start bashing. Everyone here talks about how Magpul did this or that and screwed the customer, yet they do hundreds of great things and one thing YOU dont agree with and they are the worst company ever. All the great things Magpul has done for this industry means jackshit to you guys and you continue to focus on one thing they did which you do not agree with.
If yall know how to run such an impecable business why arent you? And Magpul's "business acumen" is about as "unreprochable" as it gets in this industry. IMO This. |
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All the great things Magpul has done for this industry... What "great" things have they done for the industry? They make accessories just like many other companies. I don't hate Magpul I'm just annoyed by how they do things. I think it started after they promised all these add-ons for their M93B stock and then discontinued it. Then they made a lower receiver that everyone wanted and they kept promising (more than a year) but they ditched that. They tease us at every shot show with products that may never be. And even cool crap they make just to show how cool they are. (The vehicle crap) The Masada was supposed to be so great. Now its just something different...maybe a good shooter...but not so amazing that its worth the price of 2 AR15s. And then theres 2 different versions of it. One of which we probably can't have. If you hate them because of cool stuff they have that you don't have it's called envy my friend. But in the end, if it bothers you so much and cannot take it anymore, stop being a customer for your own well being. I never said I hate them. In fact I have said I don't hate them. I also never said I don't envy them. I envy that they have money and time to make crazy vehicles to show off at firearms trade shows. Thats about it. This all started because I thought "Dr. Drake" was being unprofessional when arguing with someone about who knows more about business. He could have said he knows more about the firearm industry and left out the " tuff guy " stuff. Other than the MOE trigger guard on my DD lower that I got with a $250 off card I don't own any Magpul products. I would have a Magpul lower if it came out when they told me it would. ( Again I DON'T HATE Magpul ) Magpul is just a business. No need for fanboys or haters. MY XBOX PWNS YOUR PS3!!! 
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Huge successful products Magpul has RnD'd or at least prototyped but ether decided not to produce or produced in very limited quantity and no longer produces. Magpul Lower (Has and could continue to be licensed for outside production with royalties) FMG (If offered in a kit form with a 16" aftermarket barrel wouldn't require firearm licensing) Nether of the above would incur the "Liability" Magpul thinks they would be under if they produced firearms. PDR Massoud Magpul your consumer base has been screaming for these for YEARS. At leased you've figured out that licensing a firearm to another company is a huge mistake. Do it right, do it yourself. Magpul Firearms Division If I'm missing any please add to the list. Oh, SOC, you've got so much to learn. Not much of a business guy are ya? The thing is you have little insight on the inner workings of our business. I own my own business, have an FFL and am planing on getting my 07 within two years. Please enlighten me to your inner workings... O yeah you won't. Owning a business does not make you a good business man there tuff guy. Some might call that an arrogant, dick-head thing to say. Not me but some others. How dare a customer make product suggestions in your industry forum. The gall of some people. How impudent of a mere commoner to respond to your dismissive remarks....doesn't he know how busy you are producing plastic parts?!? |
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Huge successful products Magpul has RnD'd or at least prototyped but ether decided not to produce or produced in very limited quantity and no longer produces. Magpul Lower (Has and could continue to be licensed for outside production with royalties) FMG (If offered in a kit form with a 16" aftermarket barrel wouldn't require firearm licensing) Nether of the above would incur the "Liability" Magpul thinks they would be under if they produced firearms. PDR Massoud Magpul your consumer base has been screaming for these for YEARS. At leased you've figured out that licensing a firearm to another company is a huge mistake. Do it right, do it yourself. Magpul Firearms Division If I'm missing any please add to the list. Oh, SOC, you've got so much to learn. Not much of a business guy are ya? The thing is you have little insight on the inner workings of our business. I own my own business, have an FFL and am planing on getting my 07 within two years. Please enlighten me to your inner workings... O yeah you won't. Owning a business does not make you a good business man there tuff guy. Some might call that an arrogant, dick-head thing to say. Not me but some others. How dare a customer make product suggestions in your industry forum. The gall of some people. How impudent of a mere commoner to respond to your dismissive remarks....doesn't he know how busy you are producing plastic parts?!? SOC how dare you think Magpul can do these things themselves and do them right. Tuff guy!
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I'll leave this here... http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=76&t=997784 |
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People around here are like the media, they like to focus on the negative...if you could just post things that Magpul does that makes people mad, they would greatly appreciate it. |
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Very interesting... As some people predicted, at this price, not many are buying this rifle. Just look at all the ones on GB without a single bid! There are a lot of people receiving and selling the ACR. gunbroker probably isn't the best site to make a judgement on something selling either. |