[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Magpul Sniper Rifle Chassis! (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/7/2010 8:44:29 AM EDT
I would love for Magpul to make a sniper rifle chassis system that would accept SA/LA Remington style actions and AI mags, that can also readily accept any of the Magpul stocks, grips, mags, slings or even the AFG! What do you guys think??
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I would love for Magpul to make a sniper rifle chassis system that would accept SA/LA Remington style actions and AI mags, that can also readily accept any of the Magpul stocks, grips, mags, slings or even the AFG! What do you guys think?? I don't know about this one. I don't think the currently available stocks and grips would be great on a 700. Don't get me wrong... i love my magpul parts and i love my 700. I just have never shouldered my 700 and thought to myself, " this would work way better with a MIAD and an ACS!" Now if they make a detachable magazine system for the 700 i will be all over it! |
| I personally dont care for the traditional rifle stocks for one the way they look and the main reason is I think that the are uncomfortable due to the many street/dirt bike accidents I have been in I have limited movement of my wrists and it is just way more comfortable for me to use a pistol style grip. |
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+1 on a good aftermarket stock/chassis option for the Savage 10 series. It would be tough to produce economically due to the various action-lengths, calibers, etc.
Here's the specs on how to sell me a replacement for my Choate Ultimate stock: -Make it accept .223 or .308 PMAGs. I'm tired of fumbling around under the rail to load/unload the rifle. Maybe a modular floor-plate/mag-well for different mags? -V/X-block design to simplify bedding. -Fully-ambidextrous design with dual bolt-handle cuts to simplify production. Savage does big-business catering to lefties and left-bolt competition types, but aftermarket stock options are still very limited. -Full pistol-grip for enhanced trigger control. Modular design for AR grips would be a plus. -Modular accessory rail attachment system on forearm. Keep the profile smooth and snag-free. -Sling-swivel cups molded into chassis. -Keep stock/chassis weight under say 4 lbs. A Magpul-designed, KISS-style, HSLD bipod without the noisy springs that keeps a low center-of-gravity on the weapon would be very interesting, as well. 
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There are a metric buttload of Savages with crappy factory stocks calling for Magpul replacements.  I'd be in for one or two. if they took the new LR 308 PMAG. But on the other side of this is ill be drinking more the the kool aid, I"d i don't want to drink to much of one type of kool aid. But id be on for one. Scotts556 |
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There are a metric buttload of Savages with crappy factory stocks calling for Magpul replacements. I'd be in for one or two. if they took the new LR 308 PMAG. But on the other side of this is ill be drinking more the the kool aid, I"d i don't want to drink to much of one type of kool aid. But id be on for one. Scotts556 Why do you guys want the LR20 to work with with a bolt action chassis? The LR20 limits rounds to 2.820 COAL, whereas bolt actions traditionally have mags that allow much longer COALs to accommodate very high BC VLDs. |
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There are a metric buttload of Savages with crappy factory stocks calling for Magpul replacements. I'd be in for one or two. if they took the new LR 308 PMAG. But on the other side of this is ill be drinking more the the kool aid, I"d i don't want to drink to much of one type of kool aid. But id be on for one. Scotts556 Why do you guys want the LR20 to work with with a bolt action chassis? The LR20 limits rounds to 2.820 COAL, whereas bolt actions traditionally have mags that allow much longer COALs to accommodate very high BC VLDs. You have a valid point, but it allows more rounds in the gun and it makes reloads very fast. IF you where to race a person with a DBM system and your were thumbing rounds into your gun even though you have less rounds, I'd bet money that he'd win. scotts556 |
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There are a metric buttload of Savages with crappy factory stocks calling for Magpul replacements. I'd be in for one or two. if they took the new LR 308 PMAG. But on the other side of this is ill be drinking more the the kool aid, I"d i don't want to drink to much of one type of kool aid. But id be on for one. Scotts556 Why do you guys want the LR20 to work with with a bolt action chassis? The LR20 limits rounds to 2.820 COAL, whereas bolt actions traditionally have mags that allow much longer COALs to accommodate very high BC VLDs. You have a valid point, but it allows more rounds in the gun and it makes reloads very fast. IF you where to race a person with a DBM system and your were thumbing rounds into your gun even though you have less rounds, I'd bet money that he'd win. scotts556 Yes, a DBM system is the way to go for a bolt action, but more along the lines of an AI, Badger Ordnance, etc, that takes the larger box mags. I just don't see the benefit of using a DBM built around the LR20. |
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Better idea. tactical stock for 10/22. designed with AR feel to it. you'd save me a bundle on another trainer rifle! the others on the market suck. S&W M&P 15-22; they got it right. ETA: My dream is to have LaRue and Magpul get together and design a new bolt action rifle system from scratch. We know LaRue can work the metal, and Magpul can work the stock. Maybe build it similar to the Enfield? That is a fast, proven action. That would be a rifle I could get behind! If not, how about a detachable mag and baseplate system for the Remington 700? Magpul should be able to produce a decent design with good quality and a better price point than the current systems. (I know, I know; sig line, and most likely not enough demand) |
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There are a metric buttload of Savages with crappy factory stocks calling for Magpul replacements. I'd be in for one or two. if they took the new LR 308 PMAG. But on the other side of this is ill be drinking more the the kool aid, I"d i don't want to drink to much of one type of kool aid. But id be on for one. Scotts556 Why do you guys want the LR20 to work with with a bolt action chassis? The LR20 limits rounds to 2.820 COAL, whereas bolt actions traditionally have mags that allow much longer COALs to accommodate very high BC VLDs. Feasibility, commonality, and support for existing product lines. I highly doubt it would make fiscal sense for a company like Magpul to build something like this that would not use a pre-existing mag design. I can't see a completely new .308 mag design being cost-efficient unless they could somehow sell a metric-ton on a regular basis. I personally don't use VLD's, 168 gr. pills and below work just fine for the ranges and targets I deal with. If I need anything more than that, I'll call CheyTac or Barrett..... I'd rather have a good product in-hand with a reasonable limitation, than never getting what I need because an ideal set of specifications would be too cost-prohibitive to manufacture. |
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There are a metric buttload of Savages with crappy factory stocks calling for Magpul replacements. I'd be in for one or two. if they took the new LR 308 PMAG. But on the other side of this is ill be drinking more the the kool aid, I"d i don't want to drink to much of one type of kool aid. But id be on for one. Scotts556 Why do you guys want the LR20 to work with with a bolt action chassis? The LR20 limits rounds to 2.820 COAL, whereas bolt actions traditionally have mags that allow much longer COALs to accommodate very high BC VLDs. Feasibility, commonality, and support for existing product lines. I highly doubt it would make fiscal sense for a company like Magpul to build something like this that would not use a pre-existing mag design. I can't see a completely new .308 mag design being cost-efficient unless they could somehow sell a metric-ton on a regular basis. I personally don't use VLD's, 168 gr. pills and below work just fine for the ranges and targets I deal with. If I need anything more than that, I'll call CheyTac or Barrett..... I'd rather have a good product in-hand with a reasonable limitation, than never getting what I need because an ideal set of specifications would be too cost-prohibitive to manufacture. The pre-existing mag design in question would be the Accuracy International pattern, which is supported by multiple bolt gun DBM systems. Magpul would not have to produce a new mag design for a bolt action chassis. Plus, the LR20 is quite long and would make it more difficult to get a bolt gun low to the ground. |
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Plus, the LR20 is quite long and would make it more difficult to get a bolt gun low to the ground. David Tubb seems to do OK. Quoted:
I personally don't use VLD's, 168 gr. pills and below work just fine for the ranges and targets I deal with. If I need anything more than that, I'll call CheyTac or Barrett..... Why not a 155 or a 6.5MM? Quoted:
I'd rather have a good product in-hand with a reasonable limitation, than never getting what I need because an ideal set of specifications would be too cost-prohibitive to manufacture. Word. Quoted:
Why do you guys want the LR20 to work with with a bolt action chassis? The LR20 limits rounds to 2.820 COAL, whereas bolt actions traditionally have mags that allow much longer COALs to accommodate very high BC VLDs. 6XC, 6.5X47, etc. |
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Plus, the LR20 is quite long and would make it more difficult to get a bolt gun low to the ground. David Tubb seems to do OK. Quoted:
I personally don't use VLD's, 168 gr. pills and below work just fine for the ranges and targets I deal with. If I need anything more than that, I'll call CheyTac or Barrett..... Why not a 155 or a 6.5MM? Quoted:
I'd rather have a good product in-hand with a reasonable limitation, than never getting what I need because an ideal set of specifications would be too cost-prohibitive to manufacture. Word. Quoted:
Why do you guys want the LR20 to work with with a bolt action chassis? The LR20 limits rounds to 2.820 COAL, whereas bolt actions traditionally have mags that allow much longer COALs to accommodate very high BC VLDs. 6XC, 6.5X47, etc. David Tubb, while a world-class shooter, is not a sniper. The needs are very different, and Magpul has been and always will be focused on the warfighter. If Magpul decides to put out a M700-compatible chassis, it will be for the warfighter. Since the US military is moving to either .300WM (Mk248 Mod1) or .338LM for its bolt guns, the chassis will most likely be for a long action or at least able to support a long action, which rules out the LR20. In addition, the LR20 is optimized to interface with the SR25/Mk11/M110 BCG, feed ramps, etc. Magpul would have to test the LR20 extensively, and very likely would have to tweak the design to ensure reliable functioning with a M700-based action. Frankly, Magpul is better off supporting an existing high-quality magazine that interfaces correctly with the M700 action and is able to accommodate magnum calibers. Since they're already working with Remington, maybe they go with the MSR mags, or the ubiquitous AI mags. Alternatively, if Magpul wants to put out a polymer mag for bolt actions, there are compelling reasons for an entirely new mag that takes long action rounds. |
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The military RFP requires one MOA to 1500M. It doesn't specify caliber.
The decision to go to .300WM was a poor one, but it is over and done. Even 7MM RM would have been better. I don't understand this Remington 700 fixation. The actions are poor compared to extant designs. I'd rather have a Winchester or custom action. If they do make a 8.56MM it would be best loaded to almost four inches. The current AI AWSM magazine is only 3.6 and the CIP mag is only slightly longer. |
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Plus, the LR20 is quite long and would make it more difficult to get a bolt gun low to the ground. David Tubb seems to do OK. Quoted:
I personally don't use VLD's, 168 gr. pills and below work just fine for the ranges and targets I deal with. If I need anything more than that, I'll call CheyTac or Barrett..... Why not a 155 or a 6.5MM? Quoted:
I'd rather have a good product in-hand with a reasonable limitation, than never getting what I need because an ideal set of specifications would be too cost-prohibitive to manufacture. Word. Quoted:
Why do you guys want the LR20 to work with with a bolt action chassis? The LR20 limits rounds to 2.820 COAL, whereas bolt actions traditionally have mags that allow much longer COALs to accommodate very high BC VLDs. 6XC, 6.5X47, etc. IIRC, Tubb competed and won a sniper competition a few years back. Snipers have more in common with varmint hunters than anything else. I'm running a plain-jane .308 set-up in my Savage short-action. Since I'm not reloading yet, I like to run 168 gr. for target use, simply because it's easiest to find loads in this weight. I may go with a lighter weight polymer-tip slug for hunting when I start using this rig on coyotes. If I switch barrels for any other round in this rifle, it would most likely be .260. Gotta love the Savage for changing calibers in 15 min. Glad to see someone understands that whole thing about wishing in one hand.......
Personally, I could care less about the VLD stuff at the moment; if your caliber needs an extra long bullet that doesn't fit standard mags to retain velocity or increase range, I think you need a new cartridge altogether. I'm perfectly happy with any load that fits a standard .308 round. If I need an AI-sized action and magazine, I'll buy a damn AI. I could care less about the Rem. 700, BTW. Over-priced and over-hyped. I honestly thing Magpul would generate more sales off of a good Savage stock, than a Rem. 700 stock. Everyone makes stuff for the 700, and securing a .mil contract would be some tough competition. Savage has few good aftermarket options, and very few good options for lefties. As an Enfield collector, I did enjoy the comment about basing a new action off the Enfield. Unfortunately, head-spacing and lug-wear is a major issue with that design. Now, a new action based off the P-14/Model 1917 would be very interesting, although I think the Model 70 already covered that..... |
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Dude, you shoot .308 with 168 grain bullets. That doesn't really have much of an advantage over 77 grain 5.56. In fact, an 80 grain VLD in a .223 AI has a longer range than you do, using half the powder.
The civilian market for stocks is great, but military sales can keep a company afloat. The best idea would be to just build the rifles and the stocks... |
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Dude, you shoot .308 with 168 grain bullets. That doesn't really have much of an advantage over 77 grain 5.56. In fact, an 80 grain VLD in a .223 AI has a longer range than you do, using half the powder. The civilian market for stocks is great, but military sales can keep a company afloat. The best idea would be to just build the rifles and the stocks... .308/168 shooters are madly devoted to their load. You know there is better stuff out there, I know there is better stuff out there. I personally don't mind putting on only 20 minutes to get out to 1000 yards. |
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Where I'm located, shots are mainly limited to 400-500 yds max due to the flat nature and rural population of the land. It's simply just not safe to fire at longer ranges. 168 gr. just simply works well for this area.
PASA Park is my only option for a range over 200 yds. And that is a 2 hour drive. |
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Savage is always treated like a third class turd by the Remheads. Savages are rougher than Remingtons, but they work. The Winchester is probably the best mass produced action in terms of quality, fit, finish and reliability. And you can already get CDI bottom metal for it. |
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Somebody hasn't got to handle their new MSR .... wow For the amount of money they are said to cost, I won't either. I could put a custom barrel on an AWSM for less and walk away with a MUCH better rifle. True, but they are just awesome. I got to shoot the surefire supressed 338 and changed it to a 300 win mag in like 5 min. The software and PDA they had did all the calcs to put you back on target smackin it. Very impressive. |
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The military RFP requires one MOA to 1500M. It doesn't specify caliber. The decision to go to .300WM was a poor one, but it is over and done. Even 7MM RM would have been better. I don't understand this Remington 700 fixation. The actions are poor compared to extant designs. I'd rather have a Winchester or custom action. If they do make a 8.56MM it would be best loaded to almost four inches. The current AI AWSM magazine is only 3.6 and the CIP mag is only slightly longer. The reason that the Rem700 action became the the predominate action has to do with the ability to accurize the action. I'm not a machinist, but I've confirmed with a couple of gun smiths that is far easier and takes less equipement to true up a Rem700 action than the Winchester. Something with the action being cylindrical. May seem like a small thing in light of Win feeding method and other 'accuracy' claims from action to action. The ability to easily true the action lead to more people tinkering with the action, which lead to more accesories, which lead peple to tinker more, which lead to more options........ I don't know if the manufacturing was also easier, so they were cheaper back in the day? Sometimes it is the little things. |
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The military RFP requires one MOA to 1500M. It doesn't specify caliber. The decision to go to .300WM was a poor one, but it is over and done. Even 7MM RM would have been better. I don't understand this Remington 700 fixation. The actions are poor compared to extant designs. I'd rather have a Winchester or custom action. If they do make a 8.56MM it would be best loaded to almost four inches. The current AI AWSM magazine is only 3.6 and the CIP mag is only slightly longer. The reason that the Rem700 action became the the predominate action has to do with the ability to accurize the action. I'm not a machinist, but I've confirmed with a couple of gun smiths that is far easier and takes less equipement to true up a Rem700 action than the Winchester. Something with the action being cylindrical. May seem like a small thing in light of Win feeding method and other 'accuracy' claims from action to action. The ability to easily true the action lead to more people tinkering with the action, which lead to more accesories, which lead peple to tinker more, which lead to more options........ I don't know if the manufacturing was also easier, so they were cheaper back in the day? Sometimes it is the little things. There are some other little "tricks" you can do to the Remington that you can't to a Winchester, as well, from a blueprinting perspective. But for a field action, there is nothing finer than a Model 70, and the FN models are damn fine examples. |