Posted: 4/28/2009 8:15:24 PM EDT
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Just got mine today. Two issues struck me on installing the two items.
With the ASAP plate, the one part number is meant to be used for both a milspec and commercial buffer, via a different sized key insert. That simplifies things from MagPul's POV in terms of inventory, and the end user in terms of not needing to know what size buffer tube you have, but what happens if the Castle Nut loosens up and you lose the insert? That would be a problem which could potentially let the buffer tube loosen up. Not a real issue for me as a civvie, but what about someone in combat? Maybe it would be better to make a separate one piece milspec and commercial version? The second issue involves the Lock Jaw connector. I run a LSHD standard handguard carbine with a standard front sling swivel. The Lock Jaw connector is just slightly too large to reliably work on the short side of the sling swivel. I can get it on, but it does not move freely around the 90 degree angle. Thinning the end of the jaw on the connector would fix this. I like the potential of this - it seems to lay flat and the sling will be out of the way of my light mounted at 9 o'clock. |
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If someone is concerned... they can select the appropriate index pin and silver solder (or have a gunsmith do so) the index pin to the ASAP plate. In any case a staked castle nut manages the issue!
As for converting to a two point sling configuration... on the railed handguard install a CQD sling mount. http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/CQD-Sling-Mount-Front-p/cqd%20fsm.htm |
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If someone is concerned... they can select the appropriate index pin and silver solder (or have a gunsmith do so) the index pin to the ASAP plate. In any case a staked castle nut manages the issue! As for converting to a two point sling configuration... on the railed handguard install a CQD sling mount. http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/CQD-Sling-Mount-Front-p/cqd%20fsm.htm Yup, exactly what I did yesterday...took them 10 minutes to install. |
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For the first part, I do believe that the instructions recomend staking the castle nut. I am sure that is due to the potential for losing the staking lug. No, they just tell you to torque it to 40 in-lbs, then refer you to the -23&P unit maintenance manual (which might tell you to stake it, not sure). Quoted:
If someone is concerned... they can select the appropriate index pin and silver solder (or have a gunsmith do so) the index pin to the ASAP plate. In any case a staked castle nut manages the issue! After thinking about this a little more, I think the better approach would be to manufacture a single one piece ASAP plate to fit a commercial buffer tube/receiver extension with the longer projection. In the instructions they could tell people with mil-spec tubes to file it down slowly until it fit. It would probably only take a minute or two, since the difference is apparently only .025 inch on the projection. Heck, they could even include something to fit over the projection as a file guide to keep people from filing off too much. Quoted:
As for converting to a two point sling configuration... on the railed handguard install a CQD sling mount. http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/CQD-Sling-Mount-Front-p/cqd%20fsm.htm As I said, I have a standard, low speed handguard, NO rail system. It would work fine on the standard sling swivel if they just slightly reduced the diameter of the jaw. Too me, looking at all the low profile rail system sling mounts, the jaw size looks like it MIGHT be an issue with some of them also. |
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For the first part, I do believe that the instructions recomend staking the castle nut. I am sure that is due to the potential for losing the staking lug. No, they just tell you to torque it to 40 in-lbs, then refer you to the -23&P unit maintenance manual (which might tell you to stake it, not sure). Quoted:
If someone is concerned... they can select the appropriate index pin and silver solder (or have a gunsmith do so) the index pin to the ASAP plate. In any case a staked castle nut manages the issue! After thinking about this a little more, I think the better approach would be to manufacture a single one piece ASAP plate to fit a commercial buffer tube/receiver extension with the longer projection. In the instructions they could tell people with mil-spec tubes to file it down slowly until it fit. It would probably only take a minute or two, since the difference is apparently only .025 inch on the projection. Heck, they could even include something to fit over the projection as a file guide to keep people from filing off too much. Quoted:
As for converting to a two point sling configuration... on the railed handguard install a CQD sling mount. http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/CQD-Sling-Mount-Front-p/cqd%20fsm.htm As I said, I have a standard, low speed handguard, NO rail system. It would work fine on the standard sling swivel if they just slightly reduced the diameter of the jaw. Too me, looking at all the low profile rail system sling mounts, the jaw size looks like it MIGHT be an issue with some of them also. or they could just leave it exactly as is and it will be fine for everyone except you. 
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For the first part, I do believe that the instructions recomend staking the castle nut. I am sure that is due to the potential for losing the staking lug. No, they just tell you to torque it to 40 in-lbs, then refer you to the -23&P unit maintenance manual (which might tell you to stake it, not sure). Quoted:
If someone is concerned... they can select the appropriate index pin and silver solder (or have a gunsmith do so) the index pin to the ASAP plate. In any case a staked castle nut manages the issue! After thinking about this a little more, I think the better approach would be to manufacture a single one piece ASAP plate to fit a commercial buffer tube/receiver extension with the longer projection. In the instructions they could tell people with mil-spec tubes to file it down slowly until it fit. It would probably only take a minute or two, since the difference is apparently only .025 inch on the projection. Heck, they could even include something to fit over the projection as a file guide to keep people from filing off too much. Quoted:
As for converting to a two point sling configuration... on the railed handguard install a CQD sling mount. http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/CQD-Sling-Mount-Front-p/cqd%20fsm.htm As I said, I have a standard, low speed handguard, NO rail system. It would work fine on the standard sling swivel if they just slightly reduced the diameter of the jaw. Too me, looking at all the low profile rail system sling mounts, the jaw size looks like it MIGHT be an issue with some of them also. or they could just leave it exactly as is and it will be fine for everyone except you. What's your point? That I'm the only person that might run this setup That you can't simplify/improve/take cost out of the product That MagPul's design process is perfect
If you're looking for a slobbering fanboy thread written by a 14 year old this isn't it. If you're looking for a commentary by a customer that generally likes MagPul's products, but found some potential room for improvement in the designs, this is it. |
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For the first part, I do believe that the instructions recomend staking the castle nut. I am sure that is due to the potential for losing the staking lug. No, they just tell you to torque it to 40 in-lbs, then refer you to the -23&P unit maintenance manual (which might tell you to stake it, not sure). Quoted:
If someone is concerned... they can select the appropriate index pin and silver solder (or have a gunsmith do so) the index pin to the ASAP plate. In any case a staked castle nut manages the issue! After thinking about this a little more, I think the better approach would be to manufacture a single one piece ASAP plate to fit a commercial buffer tube/receiver extension with the longer projection. In the instructions they could tell people with mil-spec tubes to file it down slowly until it fit. It would probably only take a minute or two, since the difference is apparently only .025 inch on the projection. Heck, they could even include something to fit over the projection as a file guide to keep people from filing off too much. Quoted:
As for converting to a two point sling configuration... on the railed handguard install a CQD sling mount. http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/CQD-Sling-Mount-Front-p/cqd%20fsm.htm As I said, I have a standard, low speed handguard, NO rail system. It would work fine on the standard sling swivel if they just slightly reduced the diameter of the jaw. Too me, looking at all the low profile rail system sling mounts, the jaw size looks like it MIGHT be an issue with some of them also. or they could just leave it exactly as is and it will be fine for everyone except you. What's your point? That I'm the only person that might run this setup That you can't simplify/improve/take cost out of the product That MagPul's design process is perfect
If you're looking for a slobbering fanboy thread written by a 14 year old this isn't it. If you're looking for a commentary by a customer that generally likes MagPul's products, but found some potential room for improvement in the designs, this is it. you're complaining about a tiny piece of metal, that with a little creativity and ingenuity can be modded by your professedly amazingly designer gifted self. your idea = one piece to file down to fit the other config. magpul's idea = two pieces to do the same thing. and I think anyone who paid the slightest attention to their AR would notice the castle nut coming loose by the time it was far enough out for the little metal piece to pop out, so maybe they thought your idea was entirely unnecessary. but to be honest, I found some things they could have done better too though, so I can't knock you. like a voice activated change from one-point to two-point, "two point, BUST EM!!" or an automatic levitation feature that after you transition to your secondary and you are in the clear, your rifle pops back up for the reload or jam clearing. sorry, not trying to defend magpul specifically, I just get tired of internet warriors like ourselves imagining that we can think of something after one day of playing with a new toy that those from an extremely successful company's research and development team did not think of during months and months of design, torture testing, redesign, more torture testing, reinvention of design, redesign, more torture testing, etc. etc. etc. And this trite, instantaneous complaint (er, suggestion for improvement, sorry) follows directly on the heels of months and months of complaining and inquiring about an ETA on the new product, and then when the design is redesigned (maybe because your specific design was proven to not be customer friendly to those of us without files or sanders sitting at the ready, and who would have complained that they didn't use a two little metal block design) requiring more time until production, more complaints ensue.....as chronicled endlessly on our beloved arfcom. but, in spite of all that, the reason I pooped on your post is probably because I have a massive exam that is going to spank me on friday, and I am extremely tired of studying the majority of my life, and I just needed someone to rave at at the moment. sorry for PMSing. 
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but, in spite of all that, the reason I pooped on your post is probably because I have a massive exam that is going to spank me on friday, and I am extremely tired of studying the majority of my life, and I just needed someone to rave at at the moment. sorry for PMSing. This is the reason that a lot of serious people with real world experience don't post on AR15.com. But if any MagPul folks read the comments - the ASAP took 20+ minutes to install. Getting the small piece in on my commercial tube was difficult using the included instructions, including using an extra pair of hands. I finally had to jam it in the slot, then lower the plate over it. Asking the user to file a little is not a big deal - I had to do a lot more than this plate would require installing a set of XS 24/7 Big Dots on a Glock 19 this past evening. |