Posted: 4/22/2009 7:05:51 PM EDT
| I am either lost or can't find on my own. Was this ever produced by anyone. I keep watching the vid and thinking, man that is just sweet, I need one, I need to buy one, man that is sweet. |
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It has not been produced my Magpul as of yet.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=124&t=166626 |
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Cool concept... but... trigger finger operating a lever in the trigger guard! I am not sure that is such a good idea.
A company marketed a pepper spray mounted on the rail of a Beretta pistol. Push finger forward in trigger guard to spray... press rearward to shoot. There were issues!!!!! It's that fine motor skills/gross motor skills issue that concerns me. I could see someone poorly trained pressing to drop the bolt continue the rearward movement and press a round off. VERY well trainied HSLD types... maybe, pro & semi pro 3 guns competitors... maybe. I'd hate to do the risk management assessment for insurance if I were to produce such a product. The cost of the insurance could very well make the price per unit beyond a fair market price. I'd buy one, but I will be surprised if Magpul markets the B.A.D. just my thoughts... |
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Cool concept... but... trigger finger operating a lever in the trigger guard! I am not sure that is such a good idea. A company marketed a pepper spray mounted on the rail of a Beretta pistol. Push finger forward in trigger guard to spray... press rearward to shoot. There were issues!!!!! It's that fine motor skills/gross motor skills issue that concerns me. I could see someone poorly trained pressing to drop the bolt continue the rearward movement and press a round off. VERY well trainied HSLD types... maybe, pro & semi pro 3 guns competitors... maybe. I'd hate to do the risk management assessment for insurance if I were to produce such a product. The cost of the insurance could very well make the price per unit beyond a fair market price. I'd buy one, but I will be surprised if Magpul markets the B.A.D. just my thoughts... The B.A.D. is designed to only be operated with the trigger finger OUTSIDE of the trigger guard. If you can manipulate the B.A.D. lever with your trigger finger inside the trigger guard, you are a talented individual. |
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Cool concept... but... trigger finger operating a lever in the trigger guard! I am not sure that is such a good idea. A company marketed a pepper spray mounted on the rail of a Beretta pistol. Push finger forward in trigger guard to spray... press rearward to shoot. There were issues!!!!! It's that fine motor skills/gross motor skills issue that concerns me. I could see someone poorly trained pressing to drop the bolt continue the rearward movement and press a round off. VERY well trainied HSLD types... maybe, pro & semi pro 3 guns competitors... maybe. I'd hate to do the risk management assessment for insurance if I were to produce such a product. The cost of the insurance could very well make the price per unit beyond a fair market price. I'd buy one, but I will be surprised if Magpul markets the B.A.D. just my thoughts... The B.A.D. is designed to only be operated with the trigger finger OUTSIDE of the trigger guard. If you can manipulate the B.A.D. lever with your trigger finger inside the trigger guard, you are a talented individual. You don't quite get the fine motor skill/gross motor skill concept. After an adrenalin dump you lose fine motor skill. Intending to only press the B.A.D. the loss of fine motor skills may end up with your finger moving into the trigger guard past the device, "over pressing" the B.A.D. The "muscle memory" function of the strong hand index finger IS to press inside the trigger guard. Using a pressing movement in the same area for a different function could continue INTO the trigger guard. Just an FYI... I am a professional trainer with more than 20 years as a firearms and tactic instructor serving at times at a very large federal training facility, with 30+ years as a black rifle operator. There is more to this fine/gross motor skill thing than many realize. I am not just "shooting from the hip" with my opinion. |
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This is something Travis posted here, and I think I'm beginning to see the light.
I think that is kind of a training issue. What motor control is used to hit the magazine release, or press the trigger, or pinch the charging handle latch? Fighter pilots have to hit a million tiny buttons under extreme stress. I can understand this a bit as I used to want a be a fighter pilot, and studied the cockpits of aircraft - they do have a million and one buttons. Fine motor skill or not, if trained with it should be a usable device. I got to play with one before on pre deployment leave, and it is easy to work with. Finger is outside the trigger guard too. S/F |
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This is something Travis posted here, and I think I'm beginning to see the light. I think that is kind of a training issue. What motor control is used to hit the magazine release, or press the trigger, or pinch the charging handle latch? Fighter pilots have to hit a million tiny buttons under extreme stress. I can understand this a bit as I used to want a be a fighter pilot, and studied the cockpits of aircraft - they do have a million and one buttons. Fine motor skill or not, if trained with it should be a usable device. I got to play with one before on pre deployment leave, and it is easy to work with. Finger is outside the trigger guard too. S/F True... but you can bet the farm the "ergonomics" of the cockpit design takes in account the function to fire/launch weapons, and not use a very similar action for a non-weapons system "switch" near the "go button" for the weapons! |
F-14A Tomcat - weapons selector on the joystick, to be operated with the right thumb. Trigger fires.
Anywho, trust me in that it does work, and it doesn't allow you to put your finger inside the trigger guard unless you deliberately roll your finger around it. Again, it is a training issue we are speaking about here. That said, Magpul, hurry up and make the damn thing! Just got a few Redi-Mags and the damn bolt catch is the devil itself to manipulate with oogles of PPE on! S/F |
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Fine motor skills can be reduced to second nature muscle memory with consistent training…
It is no more difficult to operate a B.A.D. than it is to operate the selector switch or mag release… Regardless of the weapon system, if you don’t train with it in an efficient, consistent manner you won’t be able to operate it efficiently under stress. 
Example of failure to train—CLICK HERE |
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Cool concept... but... trigger finger operating a lever in the trigger guard! I am not sure that is such a good idea.
A company marketed a pepper spray mounted on the rail of a Beretta pistol. Push finger forward in trigger guard to spray... press rearward to shoot. There were issues!!!!! It's that fine motor skills/gross motor skills issue that concerns me. I could see someone poorly trained pressing to drop the bolt continue the rearward movement and press a round off. VERY well trainied HSLD types... maybe, pro & semi pro 3 guns competitors... maybe. I'd hate to do the risk management assessment for insurance if I were to produce such a product. The cost of the insurance could very well make the price per unit beyond a fair market price. I'd buy one, but I will be surprised if Magpul markets the B.A.D. just my thoughts... I would agree with this assumption if I was going to install the part and then put the gun in the safe and never use it. However as several others have all ready said I wouldn't bother getting it if I was not going to train to the point of ensuring muscle memory was utilized. Heck simple disregard of the safety and trigger discipline can have the results you are suggesting. |
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Fine motor skills can be reduced to second nature muscle memory with consistent training… It is no more difficult to operate a B.A.D. than it is to operate the selector switch or mag release… Regardless of the weapon system, if you don’t train with it in an efficient, consistent manner you won’t be able to operate it efficiently under stress. http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/8744/motivator19340af0306905.jpg Example of failure to train—CLICK HERE Is that guy holding his bare barrel with a pot-holder?? 
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