Posted: 8/3/2009 9:37:23 PM EDT
| That to be a LEO you have to be 21, but to open carry you have to be 18? Atleast it is this way in my state? I would think that if you could open carry you could perform the duties of a LEO? Are there any states where you can become a LEO before 21? |
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I cannot speak for the laws of your state.
But there is more to being a police officer than just carrying a gun. For example, in my department, we did not carry guns day to day. Especially when one does not have a gun, they have to have creditbility, that quality that people will do as they say because they believe in the individual in the uniform. Such can be associated with maturity or experience. We usually required for a sailor to be a petty officer, an E-4, before they could become a patrol man although sometimes we extended the limits to Seamen that we saw were particularly mature. As far as the reasoning behind this, how it might have all come about, perhaps you can check with the licensing board for police officers for those references and a better understanding. _______________________________________________ ("Are you a cop? You have a gun."––Girl to Snake in the Chock Full O'Nuts, (w,stte), "Escape from New York") |
Over here you can be an officer at 18. You can do corrections, communications, etc. However, if you want to do patrol and get P.O.S.T., you have to get a waver in order to do so. My ex girlfriend got one at 19 whenever she went on patrol. I was jealous that she started her career at 19 than me at 23. 
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| Yeah out here I could do corrections, as in the control room or perhaps a floor deputy depending on the place. I could also do dispatch. Both of which would help my career but I don't have much interest in those fields. I wonder if I moved to a state to do college, attend the academy at 19 or so and come back to oregon before 21 if I could become a certified LEO, lateral transfer or not? |
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Uh, open carry in Oregon referees to handguns. You have to be 21 in Oregon to posses a hand gun, unless you are at a range, etc. So you can't be a Cop until you are 21. Wow its only 18 to posses in California IIRC. 21 to buy from a FFL. Its the same way in Oregon too 
Time to re-read yer ORS book.....I just went rounds with this exact scenario with a Cpl and a Sgt. 18 to OWN a firearm....ORS 166.250 (1) (A) is under 18 years old and (2) (A)Other than a handgun, if the firearms was transferred by the minor by the minors parents/gauardian etc.... for the purposes of the term minor it means under 18 years old.....so yes an 18 year old CAN own a handgun, they just cant purchase it from an FFL or buy handgun ammo from an FFL....And besides ORS 166.260 grants LEO's the status to not be affected by 166.250. Not trying to bash just giving info 
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Uh, open carry in Oregon referees to handguns. You have to be 21 in Oregon to posses a hand gun, unless you are at a range, etc. So you can't be a Cop until you are 21. Wow its only 18 to posses in California IIRC. 21 to buy from a FFL. Its the same way in Oregon too
Time to re-read yer ORS book.....I just went rounds with this exact scenario with a Cpl and a Sgt. 18 to OWN a firearm....ORS 166.250 (1) (A) is under 18 years old and (2) (A)Other than a handgun, if the firearms was transferred by the minor by the minors parents/gauardian etc.... for the purposes of the term minor it means under 18 years old.....so yes an 18 year old CAN own a handgun, they just cant purchase it from an FFL or buy handgun ammo from an FFL....And besides ORS 166.260 grants LEO's the status to not be affected by 166.250. Not trying to bash just giving info
SM can you clarify this for me as you are an Oregon boy? |
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I think most agencies require you to be 21 because you'll have more "life experience" (personally I think that's to be judged on an individual basis but that's just me). The age in Florida is 19, some agencies require you to be 21 or older though. My local county sheriff's office is 19 or older.
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| City jail here hires at 18, but deputies under 21 work strictly inside. We (PD) hire at 20.5 on the notion that the officer will be 21 by the time they graduate from a 27 week basic academy, but there's times when I wish they'd bump it up to 24 or so. A little maturity and life experience goes a long way in this job. |
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The short answer is maturity. While you can say it should be judged on a case by case basis, when you are trying to get a pool of people qualified to hire having standards helps weed out some of the less desirable candidates.
I'm 30 with 7 years on and I have matured alot in those 7 years, and I was a very mature 23. We have a shift on my department comprised of almost all the young (under 25) Officers and it shows in their work. They are, for the most part, good guys but as stated before maturity and experience goes a long way in this line of work. Another aspect is that a person with a few more years is more likely to get treated with respect by adults on the streets. Regardless of how good or mature an 18 year old Officer is, there will be lots of 30 somethings (and older) that won't respect him merely due to his age. While that may not always matter, it can lead to dangerous situations for the Officer. |
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Uh, open carry in Oregon referees to handguns. You have to be 21 in Oregon to posses a hand gun, unless you are at a range, etc. So you can't be a Cop until you are 21. Wow its only 18 to posses in California IIRC. 21 to buy from a FFL. Its the same way in Oregon too
Time to re-read yer ORS book.....I just went rounds with this exact scenario with a Cpl and a Sgt. 18 to OWN a firearm....ORS 166.250 (1) (A) is under 18 years old and (2) (A)Other than a handgun, if the firearms was transferred by the minor by the minors parents/gauardian etc.... for the purposes of the term minor it means under 18 years old.....so yes an 18 year old CAN own a handgun, they just cant purchase it from an FFL or buy handgun ammo from an FFL....And besides ORS 166.260 grants LEO's the status to not be affected by 166.250. Not trying to bash just giving info
SM can you clarify this for me as you are an Oregon boy? Basically you can own a handgun, or any firearm at the age of 18, you just cant buy a handgun from a dealer or get a CHL until you are 21. As for working in law enforcement prior to age 21....most agencies, at least the bigger ones where I work, 21 is the minimum and I think the youngest in my agency that got hired for patrol was 23.....Pretty much it comes down to maturity and life experience....its hard to hire a kid who cant even legally drink nor has gotten the "having a good time" out of there system yet. I may be wrong on this but I dont think DPSST will even accept people under 21 for the academy. My recommendations to you, and i dont know what part of Oregon you're in, but there are some great explorer and cadet programs....My agency has one of the better explorer programs, and if I were to do it over again I deffinently would have gotten involved in that when I was younger. They get to do search and resue, special events, helping out on the lake with our marine patrol and ride alongs. My wife was an explorer and said she had a blast, tho she did not persue a career in law enforcement. It is a good way to get yer foot in the door and to see what it is like behind the scenes. |
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Uh, open carry in Oregon referees to handguns. You have to be 21 in Oregon to posses a hand gun, unless you are at a range, etc. So you can't be a Cop until you are 21. Wow its only 18 to posses in California IIRC. 21 to buy from a FFL. Its the same way in Oregon too
Time to re-read yer ORS book.....I just went rounds with this exact scenario with a Cpl and a Sgt. 18 to OWN a firearm....ORS 166.250 (1) (A) is under 18 years old and (2) (A)Other than a handgun, if the firearms was transferred by the minor by the minors parents/gauardian etc.... for the purposes of the term minor it means under 18 years old.....so yes an 18 year old CAN own a handgun, they just cant purchase it from an FFL or buy handgun ammo from an FFL....And besides ORS 166.260 grants LEO's the status to not be affected by 166.250. Not trying to bash just giving info
SM can you clarify this for me as you are an Oregon boy? Basically you can own a handgun, or any firearm at the age of 18, you just cant buy a handgun from a dealer or get a CHL until you are 21. As for working in law enforcement prior to age 21....most agencies, at least the bigger ones where I work, 21 is the minimum and I think the youngest in my agency that got hired for patrol was 23.....Pretty much it comes down to maturity and life experience....its hard to hire a kid who cant even legally drink nor has gotten the "having a good time" out of there system yet. I may be wrong on this but I dont think DPSST will even accept people under 21 for the academy. My recommendations to you, and i dont know what part of Oregon you're in, but there are some great explorer and cadet programs....My agency has one of the better explorer programs, and if I were to do it over again I deffinently would have gotten involved in that when I was younger. They get to do search and resue, special events, helping out on the lake with our marine patrol and ride alongs. My wife was an explorer and said she had a blast, tho she did not persue a career in law enforcement. It is a good way to get yer foot in the door and to see what it is like behind the scenes. I was thinking of correction, or dispatcher while in college atleast part time until I turn 21. Are the Explorers something that one can do while in college? |
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Uh, open carry in Oregon referees to handguns. You have to be 21 in Oregon to posses a hand gun, unless you are at a range, etc. So you can't be a Cop until you are 21. Wow its only 18 to posses in California IIRC. 21 to buy from a FFL. Its the same way in Oregon too
Time to re-read yer ORS book.....I just went rounds with this exact scenario with a Cpl and a Sgt. 18 to OWN a firearm....ORS 166.250 (1) (A) is under 18 years old and (2) (A)Other than a handgun, if the firearms was transferred by the minor by the minors parents/gauardian etc.... for the purposes of the term minor it means under 18 years old.....so yes an 18 year old CAN own a handgun, they just cant purchase it from an FFL or buy handgun ammo from an FFL....And besides ORS 166.260 grants LEO's the status to not be affected by 166.250. Not trying to bash just giving info
SM can you clarify this for me as you are an Oregon boy? Basically you can own a handgun, or any firearm at the age of 18, you just cant buy a handgun from a dealer or get a CHL until you are 21. As for working in law enforcement prior to age 21....most agencies, at least the bigger ones where I work, 21 is the minimum and I think the youngest in my agency that got hired for patrol was 23.....Pretty much it comes down to maturity and life experience....its hard to hire a kid who cant even legally drink nor has gotten the "having a good time" out of there system yet. I may be wrong on this but I dont think DPSST will even accept people under 21 for the academy. My recommendations to you, and i dont know what part of Oregon you're in, but there are some great explorer and cadet programs....My agency has one of the better explorer programs, and if I were to do it over again I deffinently would have gotten involved in that when I was younger. They get to do search and resue, special events, helping out on the lake with our marine patrol and ride alongs. My wife was an explorer and said she had a blast, tho she did not persue a career in law enforcement. It is a good way to get yer foot in the door and to see what it is like behind the scenes. I was thinking of correction, or dispatcher while in college atleast part time until I turn 21. Are the Explorers something that one can do while in college? Yes......they are similar to reserves, but dont carry guns and are not sworn. they do have some mandatory training, but that is ussually on weekends. Explorers are age 14-21, the older ones have more responsibility than the younger ones. Dispatch is also not bad, though spend too much time there and you wont be able to pass the PT test when yer ready to go LE ........J/K
I was unaware that corrections hire under 21.....are you looking into D.O.C?? or county jail (Cuz I know in our jail its 21 also) |
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Uh, open carry in Oregon referees to handguns. You have to be 21 in Oregon to posses a hand gun, unless you are at a range, etc. So you can't be a Cop until you are 21. Wow its only 18 to posses in California IIRC. 21 to buy from a FFL. Its the same way in Oregon too
Time to re-read yer ORS book.....I just went rounds with this exact scenario with a Cpl and a Sgt. 18 to OWN a firearm....ORS 166.250 (1) (A) is under 18 years old and (2) (A)Other than a handgun, if the firearms was transferred by the minor by the minors parents/gauardian etc.... for the purposes of the term minor it means under 18 years old.....so yes an 18 year old CAN own a handgun, they just cant purchase it from an FFL or buy handgun ammo from an FFL....And besides ORS 166.260 grants LEO's the status to not be affected by 166.250. Not trying to bash just giving info
SM can you clarify this for me as you are an Oregon boy? Basically you can own a handgun, or any firearm at the age of 18, you just cant buy a handgun from a dealer or get a CHL until you are 21. As for working in law enforcement prior to age 21....most agencies, at least the bigger ones where I work, 21 is the minimum and I think the youngest in my agency that got hired for patrol was 23.....Pretty much it comes down to maturity and life experience....its hard to hire a kid who cant even legally drink nor has gotten the "having a good time" out of there system yet. I may be wrong on this but I dont think DPSST will even accept people under 21 for the academy. My recommendations to you, and i dont know what part of Oregon you're in, but there are some great explorer and cadet programs....My agency has one of the better explorer programs, and if I were to do it over again I deffinently would have gotten involved in that when I was younger. They get to do search and resue, special events, helping out on the lake with our marine patrol and ride alongs. My wife was an explorer and said she had a blast, tho she did not persue a career in law enforcement. It is a good way to get yer foot in the door and to see what it is like behind the scenes. I was thinking of correction, or dispatcher while in college atleast part time until I turn 21. Are the Explorers something that one can do while in college? Yes......they are similar to reserves, but dont carry guns and are not sworn. they do have some mandatory training, but that is ussually on weekends. Explorers are age 14-21, the older ones have more responsibility than the younger ones. Dispatch is also not bad, though spend too much time there and you wont be able to pass the PT test when yer ready to go LE ........J/K
I was unaware that corrections hire under 21.....are you looking into D.O.C?? or county jail (Cuz I know in our jail its 21 also) County/Municipal. |
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" I would think that if you could open carry you could perform the duties of a LEO?"
Lets get this out in the open first, I am a California resident, however I was/am a Marine and have resided in North/South California, Missouri, North Carolina, and New York... either way 18 I think is too young to purchase/own a handgun, my personal opinion and nothing more. However being a Marine, I was, aswell as my friends were, issued handguns along with MACHINEGUNS at the age of 18, and by 19 were called upon and excpected to perform duties in the desert's of Iraq and Afghanistan which required WAY more maturity than your average teen is excpected or equiped to perform. Non-the less I would not say just because your state law says an 18 year old can "open carry"... that he could perform the duties of a LEO. Any unconvicted idiot/criminal/druggy/gangster can carry a gun at the age of 18, that doesnt make them any more mature or responsible. For the record I was in fact carrying a belt fed machine gun, at4 and hand grenades at the age of 19... 
Also if this answer's any of the above questions, its my understanding to open carry: California LEOs have to be 21+ by the date of graduation Military Police have to be 18+ by the date of graduation of occupation school Federal LEO Agencies on Military base's have to be 18 aswell by graduation to carry Most other Federal Law Enforcement Agencies usually have to have enough experience in life/study that they tend to be 21 anyway (ie FBI, DEA, ect) |
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I know in my state, Georgia, all handgun laws are at 21 years of age. All long guns are at 18. However, I spend some time in Florida and I saw an add for a deputy there that you just had to be 19. You can possess a handgun at 18 in GA. Pistol has to be gifted or private sale. 21 to purchase from FFL. |