Posted: 4/18/2009 7:21:12 PM EDT
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couple nights ago, i turned onto my street to my house...had some lights come up behind me real fast...knew it was an officer, well i pulled into my drive way, shut my truck off, and the take down lights and blue lights came on?...yelled at me to get back in my truck...came up to me, asked for my DL and told me he pulled me over...mind you in my drive way...for a "tag light" being out?...lol...i told him i was a former deputy and he just kinda grunted and walked off...
came back told me i was lucky i didnt recieve a 110$ ticket  ....that about set me off....first, you stopped me in my driveway after im already out of my truck...for a traffic violation..which here is a no no...second knowing...by computer...that i was a former he still threatened me with a ticket....a TAG LIGHT ticket lol...
just kinda bothered me...in the #1 city in crime in FL, from an officer who's on an understaffed department, your pulling a truck with a tag light...and no priors |
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He must have been excite and thought he had someone he was looking for. The $110 threat was lame. Equipment tickets are fix it tickets. I use the for pc to get a stop but normally don't write anything more than a warning....if I find something further and want to document the pc.
The concept of getting stopped in your drive way being a no no is new to me. In Illinois as long as I observed the violation on a roadway I can make the stop where I want. A lot of people pull off onto private property and jump out of their cars to avoid the interaction. I have to admit it ticks me off. |
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no i understand the PC of it...but also at least here...we run the tags before any lights go on...we see the background...i have none and it also comes up with alot of stuff blocked...due to past LEO...
in FTO i stopped alot of people, but i had two pull into a drive way and I got spanked by my FTO for almost lighting them up....apparently when you run the tag you can verify if they live at the residence they stop at...all before you pull them.....if its verified they dont...then you get them for misd evasion...cant remember the exact statue/name.... i know the guy was doing his job...i called a few of my friends who are in a few departments here and they laughed...just pulling someone for a tag light here...means your either really bored or getting your ass chewed for doing nothing...ehhh |
| IT was a dipwad for a deputy. He should be finding something else to do, like frequenting a Starbucks for a cup. Actually, there wouldnt be anyting wrong with just driving up in front of the house and telling you your light happened to be burned out. I would personally appreciate a deputy telling me this stuff because I seldom jump out of my car in the middle of the night at 60 mph to check my taillights and stuff. Then again, im from the old school where public relations were more important than bullshit. |
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Completeing a traffic stop once the person reaches their driveway is not an automatic, see ya.
You are assuming the offcier has an MDT, had time to type in the tag number and receive the information. From the sounds of it this did not happen. Also your being a former deputy has nothing to do with the equipment violation. |
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Completeing a traffic stop once the person reaches their driveway is not an automatic, see ya. You are assuming the offcier has an MDT, had time to type in the tag number and receive the information. From the sounds of it this did not happen. Also your being a former deputy has nothing to do with the equipment violation. Although it would be cool if we could run employment histories on the MDT...j/k 
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Completeing a traffic stop once the person reaches their driveway is not an automatic, see ya. You are assuming the offcier has an MDT, had time to type in the tag number and receive the information. From the sounds of it this did not happen. Also your being a former deputy has nothing to do with the equipment violation. Yea, you said yourself he didn't have time to run your tag. I assume he was looking for bigger fish in the crime ridden town. He also probably was a little alarmed by you getting out of your car, he doesn't know for sure you live there.... |
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Completeing a traffic stop once the person reaches their driveway is not an automatic, see ya. You are assuming the offcier has an MDT, had time to type in the tag number and receive the information. From the sounds of it this did not happen. Also your being a former deputy has nothing to do with the equipment violation. Quoted:
just kinda bothered me...in the #1 city in crime in FL, from an officer who's on an understaffed department, your pulling a truck with a tag light...and no priors And you being a former deputy should know how stupid your last point is. |
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Well......I gotta ask.
How long were you in LE? If you think that your somehow immune to being stopped for a traffic violation because you are former LE, no matter how minor the violation, you are dead wrong. Maybe the officer was a cocky little prick, that's something that you need to take up with his supervisor. I'm sure at some point in your career in LE, someone, somewhere, thought your were a dick and called all their friends to bitch and complain about how they were done wrong by "The Man" and that Officer Whatshisface is a no good civil rights violatin' dickhead. Now....on to this "no stops in driveways" shit. In my very short ten year career I have never heard that you cant stop someone in their driveway. This isn't a game of tag and there isn't a "home base". Now I agree that doing so may not be very tactically sound or situationally advantageous, but to say that it cant be done is simply retarded. I cant even begin to count the number of cites I have written in a homeowners driveway, HELL....I've written them standing at their front door after someone thought if they beat me inside that I would somehow go away. |
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Completeing a traffic stop once the person reaches their driveway is not an automatic, see ya. You are assuming the offcier has an MDT, had time to type in the tag number and receive the information. From the sounds of it this did not happen. Also your being a former deputy has nothing to do with the equipment violation. Having a MDT is great.... having a system that send/receives and links to a DMV system that never has slow times is another!!! I question too how long he was a deputy.... he should know that eqpt. violations get you some good stops and criminals like to pull into driveways that aren't their's. |
| Have you ever thought that maybe he saw your violation before you pulled into your driveway? I've stopped numerous tag lights that have turned into DUI's. Hell, my last DUI/open container/no driver's license (6th offense), came from a tag light violation. I'm not saying that you were never an LEO, but I would bet that you weren't much of a traffic person |
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I could go it line by line. But I think it's simpler to say, lose the attitude. It was a minor stop for a minor violation.
Not stopping someone in their driveway, or in a bar parking lot, for minor violations, may make good sense from a tactics standpoint. But legally there's nothing prohibiting it. |
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The OP did post something a while back reference being prior LEO and looking for a job (I think)... I have no idea what the point of his post is supposed to make.
OP... this thread really makes you look bad. I would not want you working at my agency with your attitude and obvious lack of knowledge, not only from the "drive way" comment, but also the tag light (reason for stop) stop being a waste of time. Sounds like you FAILED FTO, am I correct? If not, does not sound like you worked the road for very long. I have made countless felony drug and warrant arrests off a simple tag light being out... |
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first....i just stopped back in and this seems to have snowballed into something totally else...it was more or less just a simple post, not trying to step on anyones toe's,there is no "attitude" in anything i post, i was just taken aback at how it was handled
as for calling me out, i was not "dropped" out of the academy...i had several years in LE, i humped it, signed up for ALL the training course's i could while in my department in other words i worked my ass off while i was there, while keeping my mouth shut...but politics of a sheriffs office sort of has way of making someone not want to be where they are anymore... ive arrested my share of code 1s on "tag lights", on turn signals, improper lane changes, and even tags being "covered" i understand the type of stop itself and i dont have a problem with that, thats good police work....it was the fact, when my tag was run, no priors came up, to see it was actually my house...it would have just been as simple to walk up to the truck...."hey man your tag lights out get it fixed"... my reasoning behind the "not stopping someone in the driveway"....is that through my past experience and that of others who i worked with...some violations are VERY hard to prove or uphold in court if you had not lit the car up before it was stopped...maybe its different in other places ive 10-50d other leo's before and after making sure they werent DUI i just told them to have a good night...maybe its different for that in other places to bowhunter are you familiar with JSO at all? and im sure if you've been in a department since 81' im sure your going have a good step up on me, so im not trying to pretend to know everything...just what i was taught and what i learned |
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first....i just stopped back in and this seems to have snowballed into something totally else...it was more or less just a simple post, not trying to step on anyones toe's,there is no "attitude" in anything i post, i was just taken aback at how it was handled The "tone" of the post suggests otherwise. as for calling me out, i was not "dropped" out of the academy...i had several years in LE, i humped it, signed up for ALL the training course's i could while in my department in other words i worked my ass off while i was there, while keeping my mouth shut...but politics of a sheriffs office sort of has way of making someone not want to be where they are anymore... I can understand this... just wanted to know what you experience level was. ive arrested my share of code 1s on "tag lights", on turn signals, improper lane changes, and even tags being "covered" i understand the type of stop itself and i dont have a problem with that, thats good police work....it was the fact, when my tag was run, no priors came up, to see it was actually my house...it would have just been as simple to walk up to the truck...."hey man your tag lights out get it fixed"... Again, your tone in the post suggests you DO have a problem with the stop. As far as "priors", who the hell runs a QI BEFORE initiating a stop? I don't, and know of no other deputy who does. I assume when you use the word "priors" that you are referring to a complete criminal history?. my reasoning behind the "not stopping someone in the driveway"....is that through my past experience and that of others who i worked with...some violations are VERY hard to prove or uphold in court if you had not lit the car up before it was stopped...maybe its different in other places I'll never understand this part, and I have worked for five other agencies in three states. ive 10-50d other leo's before and after making sure they werent DUI i just told them to have a good night...maybe its different for that in other places to Discretion as to who to write and when is your call. I have no issue here. bowhunter are you familiar with JSO at all? and im sure if you've been in a department since 81' im sure your going have a good step up on me, so im not trying to pretend to know everything...just what i was taught and what i learned No, I have no knowledge of JSO, and my serving since 1981 includes 20 years of military. I have eight years full-time LEO with another four years reserve. No, I don't know everything. But I do know a post that is in poor taste when I see one. Even more so when posted by a former or fellow LEO. Your post makes light of the traffic stop, bashes the other cop for doing the same things you did, and simply reads poorly. I guess you and I won't see eye-to-eye on this one. |
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first....i just stopped back in and this seems to have snowballed into something totally else...it was more or less just a simple post, not trying to step on anyones toe's,there is no "attitude" in anything i post, i was just taken aback at how it was handled The "tone" of the post suggests otherwise. as for calling me out, i was not "dropped" out of the academy...i had several years in LE, i humped it, signed up for ALL the training course's i could while in my department in other words i worked my ass off while i was there, while keeping my mouth shut...but politics of a sheriffs office sort of has way of making someone not want to be where they are anymore... I can understand this... just wanted to know what you experience level was. ive arrested my share of code 1s on "tag lights", on turn signals, improper lane changes, and even tags being "covered" i understand the type of stop itself and i dont have a problem with that, thats good police work....it was the fact, when my tag was run, no priors came up, to see it was actually my house...it would have just been as simple to walk up to the truck...."hey man your tag lights out get it fixed"... Again, your tone in the post suggests you DO have a problem with the stop. As far as "priors", who the hell runs a QI BEFORE initiating a stop? I don't, and know of no other deputy who does. I assume when you use the word "priors" that you are referring to a complete criminal history?. my reasoning behind the "not stopping someone in the driveway"....is that through my past experience and that of others who i worked with...some violations are VERY hard to prove or uphold in court if you had not lit the car up before it was stopped...maybe its different in other places I'll never understand this part, and I have worked for five other agencies in three states. ive 10-50d other leo's before and after making sure they werent DUI i just told them to have a good night...maybe its different for that in other places to Discretion as to who to write and when is your call. I have no issue here. bowhunter are you familiar with JSO at all? and im sure if you've been in a department since 81' im sure your going have a good step up on me, so im not trying to pretend to know everything...just what i was taught and what i learned No, I have no knowledge of JSO, and my serving since 1981 includes 20 years of military. I have eight years full-time LEO with another four years reserve. No, I don't know everything. But I do know a post that is in poor taste when I see one. Even more so when posted by a former or fellow LEO. Your post makes light of the traffic stop, bashes the other cop for doing the same things you did, and simply reads poorly. I guess you and I won't see eye-to-eye on this one. I'm with Bowhunter on this one... your post has a shitty tone since the officer/deputy had the nerve to check on you in your driveway. |
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your right dunkin doughnuts was out of line
but the armed revenue collectors was right on the money hey I would do the same thing if I had to bring revenue in to keep my job. in a economy where cites and counties are running out of money. But now I will go back to GD where the attitudes are not as cocky and they (GD)can take a little ribbing |
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well if it makes any difference i apologize for my tone...i should have written this with a little more thought...
for priors, i mean by before the stop, you run the tag as usual, and the software is setup to where you can run NCIC/FCIC for a quick hit. (we used a system called OSSI and alot agencies use that or something similiar around here) also DAVID is used later...most of the agencies in this area go by that policy...gives you a small edge on starting a 35 if you get a listed violent felon or someone wanted...if its not that individual in the car, then its just another 10-50 with a backup with that said, i should have noted that JSO has been known for giving other deputies hard times if they get pulled over...i can name several instance's but itd be beating a dead horse... ive been out for a little over a year, i worked the road, worked with a federal bomb and arson agency in another state, and trained military units off an on for a year as a COB/opfor contract worker...i miss the job, with college education, experience, a clean record, and a good reference from every job...ive made it to the final offer twice for agencies around here...just to get a letter explaining the position is now closed due to fiscal reasons...i was also turned down for OCT/OCS due to having a hernia...that ive since had surgery for...lifes been a little rough, and thats why im asking around...you've got to get up and keep going.... |
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your right dunkin doughnuts was out of line but the armed revenue collectors was right on the money hey I would do the same thing if I had to bring revenue in to keep my job. in a economy where cites and counties are running out of money. But now I will go back to GD where the attitudes are not as cocky and they (GD)can take a little ribbing I think you need to check out of this forum until reality checks in with you. Almost makes me wish I was on duty now. 2 more beans and I might win that toaster. idiots. Research pretext stop. Go on a ride out. Do something to help pull your head out man. As far as the OP. Not going to trash talk you, but we all know the driveway is not base. I think throwing out the 110 woulda coulda is weak; however, returns can be slow and I try to ALWAYS call out my stop before I actually stop someone. If they get into their driveway, chuys or place of work, oh well. In addition, if I am having problems in one of my areas with thieves/whatever, I will stop everyone I can to see what I can observe. I have found more than one person steal/robbing/vandalizing their own area. I am sure these are all things your know being prior, just throwing em out there anyways. I was no on the stop and try to avoid monday morning it. |
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Almost makes me wish I was on duty now. 2 more beans and I might win that toaster. LOL one of my old Sgt's used a line like that once...he got bored and wanted to do some stops, lady got mad at him about his "quota" and he said he almost had "his flat screen and she was not to worry" As far as the OP. Not going to trash talk you, but we all know the driveway is not base. I think throwing out the 110 woulda coulda is weak; however, returns can be slow and I try to ALWAYS call out my stop before I actually stop someone. If they get into their driveway, chuys or place of work, oh well. In addition, if I am having problems in one of my areas with thieves/whatever, I will stop everyone I can to see what I can observe. I have found more than one person steal/robbing/vandalizing their own area. to a T I am sure these are all things your know being prior, just throwing em out there anyways. I was no on the stop and try to avoid monday morning it. |