Posted: 11/5/2008 12:52:45 PM EDT
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Personally, it think it needs to be more liberal. The federal law allows an ex-LEO to carry after certain restrictions are accomplished on a yearly basis.
To achieve the that goal.........some jurisdictions have placed some very high hurdles in the way. Then, in some places the hurdles are very small and easy to fulfil. Perhaps, too much, was left to the Local Chief of Police and Local Governments. Aloha, Mark PS...........but, don't get me wrong. IMHO.....CC is a RIGHT, not a privilege. |
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Sorry, guys but I don't believe in HR218. Hear me out.
It's unfair to the "regular folks". I should have the same rights (national reciprocacy). I thought the premise of allowing an ex-cop an unrestricted CCW (in their own state) was for defense against someone who held a grudge (sent to jail) and seeking revenge. Not that I believe you should have to produce a "need to carry" but I'm implying that was the premise to begin with. What are the odds that a cop from NY is going to run into some douchbag in Disneyland that locked up twenty years ago? Now, with this FUCK OSAMA BIN BIDEN, I have to worry that he's going to take away my NYS given right to carry in my own state? And "ex-cops" can carry anywhere in the country that they please? Come on.... 
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 It is your perrogative to believe in HR 218 or not. However, the premise of HR 218 is to allow retired LE to carry firearms because they are trained in the usage and legalities of using a firearm to a much greater extent than "common folk". Retired LE's must meet certain criteria to be allowed CCW; it is not automatic. Retired LE's are also a source to draw from in emergencies where people with police experience can assist, allowing active LE's to be used in more needed areas. Most "common folk" with CCW do NOT meet these requirements.
I myself am a member of the Volunteer Homeland Reserve Unit, which makes me a card carrying member of the Nevada Division of Emergency Managment. All of us are retired law enforcement and train with law enforcement agencies to be used in cases of emergency. Yes, we qualify for and carry HR 218 credentials. ALSO. the world is much smaller than you think. Criminals are not all stupid, nor do they all "forgive and forget". It is not uncommon to run accross "prior" contacts anywhere.. Especially around larger cities. All retired LE's cannot, not should they have to, retire to small faraway towns to avoid any contact with their past. AND most retired LE's are "common folk" too... |
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Sorry, guys but I don't believe in HR218. Hear me out. It's unfair to the "regular folks". I should have the same rights (national reciprocacy). I have to worry that he's going to take away my NYS given right to carry in my own state? And "ex-cops" can carry anywhere in the country that they please? Come on.... I agree with the "regular folks" having national carry. I also lived in Suffolk County NY 3 1/2 years ago as a non-leo. (trust me I now the gun laws––-restricted pistol permit 14 yrs) BUT if someone came to YOU and said "Hey you now have nationwide "...you'd take it. I sense a hint of bitterness in your post...It is what it is...but saying leo's shouldn't have nationwide carry and it going away is a step in the wrong direction. IMHO |
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Sorry, guys but I don't believe in HR218. Hear me out. It's unfair to the "regular folks". I should have the same rights (national reciprocacy). I thought the premise of allowing an ex-cop an unrestricted CCW (in their own state) was for defense against someone who held a grudge (sent to jail) and seeking revenge. Not that I believe you should have to produce a "need to carry" but I'm implying that was the premise to begin with. What are the odds that a cop from NY is going to run into some douchbag in Disneyland that locked up twenty years ago? Now, with this FUCK OSAMA BIN BIDEN, I have to worry that he's going to take away my NYS given right to carry in my own state? And "ex-cops" can carry anywhere in the country that they please? Come on.... Look bud, I didn't start this thread to read about someone whining about how unfair it is. Life ain't fair, get over it, I posted this in BOS for a reason. |
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Quoted: I wish more agencies understood what 218 allows. Traveling to other places I've heard some pretty stupid sh$t said, some of it at conferences or classes. Me too, cause it does not allow much. It specifically states it does not supersede or limit the laws of any State that prohibits carry in a variety of places. I will not be surprised if they try to tighten the requirements and make it more difficult to comply, and expand on places where carry is prohibited. |
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Considering former cops in IL are having a issues getting their certifications, it would not surprise me to see him go after it. From what I understand, that's mostly a High Holy Daley thing. He's the same mayor that said that Chicago "wouldn't recognize LEOSA" due to "the difficulty of verifying whether the presented identification from out of state was valid", and also instructed his command staff to routinely "decline" to schedule the required annual qualification shoots or issue ID cards. Luckily, not everyone in Illannoys loves Hizzonner - our brothers in the IL State Police administration arranged to have quarterly quals at various places around the state, and they even offer ID cards upon completion. You know - for those "small town agencies" that can't afford to do it themselves. 
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In the great scheme of things LEOSA is not "fair" to Joe Citizen.
But I didn't seen anyone giving a crap when Joe Citizen's CCW was legally recognized in other states over a LEO's credentials. Most LEO's wouldn't jack up another officer from a different state unless he screwed up, but tha fact was.......his LEO credentials meant nothing in State "B" whereas a CCW was accepted. |
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In the great scheme of things LEOSA is not "fair" to Joe Citizen. But I didn't seen anyone giving a crap when Joe Citizen's CCW was legally recognized in other states over a LEO's credentials. Most LEO's wouldn't jack up another officer from a different state unless he screwed up, but tha fact was.......his LEO credentials meant nothing in State "B" whereas a CCW was accepted. That is the reason why I kept my civilian CCW permit active after becoming an LEO. |
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I wish more agencies understood what 218 allows. Traveling to other places I've heard some pretty stupid sh$t said, some of it at conferences or classes. Me too, cause it does not allow much. It specifically states it does not supersede or limit the laws of any State that prohibits carry in a variety of places. I will not be surprised if they try to tighten the requirements and make it more difficult to comply, and expand on places where carry is prohibited.
Yeah I understand that there are certain places it's not allowed, but I've heard things such as "while you are out and around in our city you can't carry your weapon". Our rangemaster had an issue during some training and called around. The variety of responses he got were sobering. Everything from "I was unaware of HR 218" to "Hmmm, I didnt know it said that". |
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I am not complaining one way or another. I have a CCW but am not qualified for 218 because I became disabled after only 12 yrs on the job from late onset Muscular Dystrophy. I am still in good enough shape to do the job but I can't run so I got out. Now I only accept work and carry in places that allow me to CCW. Until they decide to change their minds about CCW they don't deserve my spending my money in their jurisdiction.
If you don't like the rules don't go there. Simple enough!! po-po |
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MO finally got a qualification requirement so several of us retired Springfield cops got certified last March. I have that card, along with my MO CCW endorsement. I figured you can never have enough permits.
I can see him maybe going after the CCW issue as part of the next round of gun control, but probably not HR 218. But then a year ago I never saw this clown as a threat to be POTUSA either. Craig |
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Hell, anyone try to meet the criteria in NYC to carry? Its next to impossable.. Seeing what they have done here with HR218 I cant see the Obama clan not getting to us eventually.
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I wish more agencies understood what 218 allows. Traveling to other places I've heard some pretty stupid sh$t said, some of it at conferences or classes. Me too, cause it does not allow much. It specifically states it does not supersede or limit the laws of any State that prohibits carry in a variety of places. I will not be surprised if they try to tighten the requirements and make it more difficult to comply, and expand on places where carry is prohibited.
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I thought the premise of allowing an ex-cop an unrestricted CCW (in their own state) was for defense against someone who held a grudge (sent to jail) and seeking revenge. Not that I believe you should have to produce a "need to carry" but I'm implying that was the premise to begin with.
What are the odds that a cop from NY is going to run into some douchbag in Disneyland that locked up twenty years ago? You may think that this is impossible, but I have seen criminals from NJ, in Philadelphia, North Carolina and Florida. Nowadays scum travel when an area gets too hot for them. |
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What are the odds that a cop from NY is going to run into some douchbag in Disneyland that locked up twenty years ago? Now, with this FUCK OSAMA BIN BIDEN, I have to worry that he's going to take away my NYS given right to carry in my own state? And "ex-cops" can carry anywhere in the country that they please? Come on.... I've been in Colorado and run into people from my hometown. No, they weren't criminals, but a lot of people in our society are transient now. many, many of the people we deal with anymore are not locals to begin with. You have more to worry about than Obama; especially with the NYS government totally Democratic. My wife and I have decided that we'll need to abandon NYS when the kids are older. |
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When I retired I was issued a 218 card to go along with my retired ID card. Still have to qual once a year. When I moved to Utah, I discovered that Utah issues Concealed Weapon Permits to non-residents. I had friends that retired from my agency come to visit and take the 4 hour CCW course and have the permit mailed to them. Those CCW permits are good in a number of states. A good book to have is the Traveler's Guide to the Firearm Laws of the Fifty States, by J. Scott Kappas. He is a pro gun attorney. www.gunlawguide.com
If you like the benefits of the 218 law, put in the time as a law enforcement officer and retire. It's a great job if you don't mind dealing with other people's misery. 
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What are the odds that a cop from NY is going to run into some douchbag in Disneyland that locked up twenty years ago? Are you kidding? I live in northern Indiana. While at Disney World in Orlando with my family years ago I ran into a Public Intox Perp that I had arrested ten years earlier. He remembered me!! I will not go anywhere unarmed! Mike |