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4/20/2008 5:04:55 AM EDT
Does anyone have any power point training materials for proper pat down procedure instruction.  I am looking for someone that has material they can share (or not copyrighted) or can direct me to where I can get one.  I am wanting to put on a presentation to some officers for proper procedures during patdown of inmates in a correctional facility...  Thanks for anyones help.  Can provide LE credentials if LE sensitive.
4/20/2008 6:05:59 AM EDT
[#1]
Northwestern put out a handbook, but it's on JSTOR.

links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0022-0205(195411%2F12)45%3A4%3C481%3ASADC%3E2.0.CO%3B2-Q
4/20/2008 6:11:17 AM EDT
[#2]
You may find better results looking for 'search' procedures. In the street, a patdown is very limited, and I'm positive that corrections personnel are allowed to go past the legal definition of 'pat down' as I know it, into what's better referred to as a 'search'.

Good luck, stay safe, and search ALL of them
4/20/2008 6:13:01 AM EDT
[#3]
Can't help you with that but I can tell a funny story.
When I was in "screw school" and we were being taught to frisk search the instructors picked my room mate to pat one of them down.
Naturally he was nervous about doing it.
When he was done the instructor said "are you finished". My room mate said yes.
Instructor "are you sure?".
roommate "yes sir".
the instructor then says while you missed a couple of things.
He had a cuff key on a chain around his neck, a butterfly knife in his shoe and a 4"357 magnum S&W tucked in his underwear right over the wedding tackle.
You should have seen the look on everyones face (including mine) when he pulled that out and laid it on the table.
4/20/2008 6:22:33 AM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
Can't help you with that but I can tell a funny story.
When I was in "screw school" and we were being taught to frisk search the instructors picked my room mate to pat one of them down.
Naturally he was nervous about doing it.
When he was done the instructor said "are you finished". My room mate said yes.
Instructor "are you sure?".
roommate "yes sir".
the instructor then says while you missed a couple of things.
He had a cuff key on a chain around his neck, a butterfly knife in his shoe and a 4"357 magnum S&W tucked in his underwear right over the wedding tackle.
You should have seen the look on everyones face (including mine) when he pulled that out and laid it on the table.


That's an eye opener.
4/20/2008 2:29:13 PM EDT
[#5]
Back in 1991 I was burdoned with the knowledge that comes from seeing an X-ray of a man carrying a loaded revolver and a handcuff key in a place that a man should not carry a loaded revolver and a handcuff key.

Icky.

My searches now take a little longer.  

If you just patted him, I'm patting him too, before he goes in my car.  

If I got distracted and can't remember the entire search pattern, I'll just start all over.

If he's been out of my sight, I'll pat him again.

I will not let the death of Brett Clodfelter be without a lesson learned.  I cried at his funeral.

www.oregon.gov/OSP/bret_clodfelter.shtml

His widow, Rene, joined him at her own hand a year later.
4/21/2008 6:31:51 PM EDT
[#6]
I'm in agreeance (if that's even a word) with KirkP, and many other posters.

search = S E A R C H

Pat down is nothing more than cusory.

INMATES have lost this:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

If they are in jail / prison you SEARCH them.  My apologies if I appear frank, blunt, politcally incorrect or just plain rude.  h Fear not the grabbing of genitals.  Fear not the stench or nasty-ass hygene.  Fear not the "innappropriate touch" complaint.  FEAR the itty-bitty derringer tucked behind the sack.  FEAR the belt buckle with hidden knife.  FEAR the end of your watch.  FEAR keeps you alive.  It is not a bad thing,  It is your "personal radar."

S E A R C H them.

Empty pockets.  Remove shoes.  Imagine the smallest thing you can harm someone with and LOOK FOR IT!!!

Remember, in this day and age, it is better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6.

Now, on to the question at hand:

I have no secret links to this information, but try calling area and even out of area agency training centers and see what their instructors have that you can use.

BE SAFE and GO HOME AT THE END OF YOUR SHIFT
4/22/2008 4:09:47 AM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
I'm in agreeance (if that's even a word) with KirkP, and many other posters.

search = S E A R C H

Pat down is nothing more than cusory.

INMATES have lost this:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

If they are in jail / prison you SEARCH them.  My apologies if I appear frank, blunt, politcally incorrect or just plain rude.  I do not wish to see, read or hear about any brother or sister harmed or worse for failure to do this simple task. Fear not the grabbing of genitals.  Fear not the stench or nasty-ass hygene.  Fear not the "innappropriate touch" complaint.  FEAR the itty-bitty derringer tucked behind the sack.  FEAR the belt buckle with hidden knife.  FEAR the end of your watch.  FEAR keeps you alive.  It is not a bad thing,  It is your "personal radar."

S E A R C H them.

Empty pockets.  Remove shoes.  Imagine the smallest thing you can harm someone with and LOOK FOR IT!!!

Remember, in this day and age, it is better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6.

Now, on to the question at hand:

I have no secret links to this information, but try calling area and even out of area agency training centers and see what their instructors have that you can use.

BE SAFE and GO HOME AT THE END OF YOUR SHIFT


EXACTLY.....  I had a terrible Saturday night... the really first great weather weekend brings out the drunks and it was hectic AND busy...  Long story short.. a gal made through the pat down, shower out procedure/ dressed into a suicide gown and 25 feet away from the padded cell she was going into when a kershaw knife fell onto our booking floor        

Huge wake-up call for some of the members on my crew!!!  And I want to go through a thourough training with them on it...  just fortunate this didn't cause and injury or death to any of our staff, and the inmate wasn't able to carve up her arm
4/22/2008 6:09:15 PM EDT
[#8]
sounds like she had it "suitcased"

that may be something none of your crew had any control over

our agency policy and i believe state law forbids LEO or corrections officers to do a body cavity search

we are required to have medical staff do that part
4/23/2008 12:11:51 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
sounds like she had it "suitcased"

that may be something none of your crew had any control over

our agency policy and i believe state law forbids LEO or corrections officers to do a body cavity search

we are required to have medical staff do that part


Yeah.. the cavity search part is probably standard everywhere... if all procedures were done good and correct.. then yeah.. unfortunate situation... but they weren't... she said it was initially in her waistband.. and eventually got.. ummm "suitcased"  
4/23/2008 5:31:42 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
sounds like she had it "suitcased"

that may be something none of your crew had any control over

our agency policy and i believe state law forbids LEO or corrections officers to do a body cavity search

we are required to have medical staff do that part


My agency requires a search warrant and a transport to the hospital for a doc to do a cavity search. Not exactly soething that happens nightly. A strip search can be done in-house based upon reasonable suspicion.


Suitcased.... LOL
4/23/2008 7:06:51 PM EDT
[#11]
As one of our TEMS instructors said: figure out a pattern that works for you, and stick to it. Practice on a partner, and have him tell you areas you missed or have him try to hide stuff... and vice versa.

Just like any other training, doing it right, then the same way all the time will reap rewards... or at least a lack of surprises.
4/23/2008 7:55:39 PM EDT
[#12]
Complacency can be horrific. I received a cuffed(in the front, because they knew she was "OK") obese EDP from a herd of village police officers and had them put her into the back of my ambulance. She had barricaded herself in her home. They kicked and shoved the door open to get to her. They said they tossed her. When she was seated on my stretcher I could see a long object printing on the front of her left leg. I reached into the pocket and found a claw hammer. I moved the collar of her shirt and saw a long thin wire which she had fashioned into a necklace with a small knife in a sheath that was between her floppy sloppy breasts. Her shoes yielded a wad of keys the size of my fist, a zippo and $400 cash.

Sure you tossed her.