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12/10/2006 7:26:12 PM EDT
Can anyone gimme a run down on leather helmets? I've only ever had my issue Cairns 1010 but would like some traditional leather for x-mas. What's the difference between the Sam Houstin and New Yorker? thanx.
12/10/2006 8:28:58 PM EDT
[#1]
New Yorker - typically has Bourke flip down eye protection.
Sam Houston - has a flip down full face shield. Not sure if it has a full polystyrene liner or not, but that's the biggest problem with the "new generation" leathers. With the NFPA required impact liner, they're much bigger than our forefathers' leathers.

ETA - Note the red sections - they both claim impact caps.

From the Cairns (now MSA) website:

The New Yorker:


The original OSHA-compliant leather helmet, individually hand crafted, hand shaped, hand stitched and hand trimmed to meet today's standards. With over 165 years of dependable performance, Cairns have been a manufacturer of the leather firefighting helmet since 1836. The New Yorker helmet retains the same authentic look and quality that generations of firefighters have relied on. Choice of silk-screened 6-inch front holder on standard configuration or carved brass eagle 6-inch front holder on deluxe configuration. A durable handcrafted leather shell lasts for years with minimum maintenance. Features non-corroding, high temperature glass filled polymer faceshield/goggle hardware and a soft, black Nomex chinstrap with one-hand quick release buckle and postman slide that allows quick and easy adjustment. Offers choice of Nomex or Pbi/Kevlar earlap for increased neck/ear coverage and protection as well as a choice of removable flannel or leather cushion liners for washing and upgrading that provides greater ease and comfort. An engineered impact cap provides advanced thermal/impact/penetration protection. The larger diameter hanger fits on larger hooks and racks.


The Sam Houston:


Hand crafted, hand shaped, hand stitched and hand trimmed to meet today's standards. With over 165 years of dependable performance, Cairns have been a manufacturer of the leather firefighting helmet since 1836. The Houston helmet retains the same authentic look and quality that generations of firefighters have relied on. Made with the added protection necessary for today's standards of safety in the firefighting industry, in your choice of silk-screened 6-inch front holder on standard configuration or carved brass eagle 6-inch front holder on deluxe configuration. The durable leather shell lasts for years with minimum maintenance. Features a non-corroding, high temperature glass filled polymer faceshield/goggle hardware and soft, black Nomex chinstrap with one-hand quick release buckle and postman slide that allows quick and easy adjustment. Offers choice of Nomex or Pbi/Kevlar earlap for increased neck/ear coverage and protection, as well as a choice of removable flannel or leather cushion liners for washing and upgrading that provides greater ease and comfort. An engineered impact cap provides advanced thermal/impact/penetration protection. The larger diameter hanger fits on larger hooks and racks.



12/11/2006 1:44:15 AM EDT
[#2]
New Yorker- Not NFPA approved

Houston N6A- NFPA approved


Both can be had with ESS goggles,Bourkes or Shield just what you want to spend.

My Department requires all personal gear (boots,gloves helmets etc) to be NFPA approved before you can wear it on the job. That goes for both department and personal purchases. That leaves the N6A our only Cairns choice.

I wear a Conway Leather and it has held up pretty well for the last 6 years. It was a Little cheaper than the Cairs but it is lighter. It's all personal preference!!

go to The Firestore and they have just about all the helmets out there and decent pricing.
12/11/2006 6:15:42 AM EDT
[#3]
Sam Houston is a little wider, where as the New Yorker is a bit taller.
OSHA or NFPA approved or not, whatever your department "lives by" should be concidered......here its either.  Chances are if something falls on your head, its whats holding your head up that will suffer.