Posted: 12/6/2006 2:03:07 PM EDT
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Okay so I was tasked with setting up some active shooter training. I need help with what the going thought and training is in this area. Any sites good for research ect. Any good thought in this area. |
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Just take your basic SWAT entry techniques, and scale them down to a basic two man patrol unit. A two officer unit can effectively enter and secure your basic apartment, or single family residence. Those "Active Shooter" tactics are just designed to give the average patrol officers a fighting chance to search out and engage an armed suspect in a confined space. Sometimes you can't wait for, or just plain don't have access to SWAT to come save the day. There will be a time when you and your partner have to just suck it up, and go in. Active Shooter training gives you a few tactical tools that may save not only your life, but maybe improve the hostage's chances of survival as well. I just finished a day in the "Hot House", using sim-u-nitions and practicing breaching a structure occupied by multiple bad guys. I got shot a couple of times. I capped a couple of bad guys before they got me too..  It's excellent training. |
Realpolice.net has a secure LEO only area for info sharing. Follow the directions on getting "verified." Good place to share info in a better OPSEC enviornment. NorCal |
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I would like to think that we could have a three or four man team but 0ne and two officers are standard on shift. We are a small department here in Alaska and by they time the troopers or another department got word and showed up all would be long over. The nearest other department is just over 70 miles. Our day shift is one patrol officer and admin. A call out would take at least 15 min for the first officer arrive. The whole State of Alaska has not much more that 1500 officers. It is also difficult to get much real help from the state acadamy in this area. They are in Sitka and we are several hundred miles away. |
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Well, all the training we have (most on powerpoint) is set up with a 4 man element as the minimum. Since a 2 man element is the desired for each single room entry, you would lack all of the cover and breech element. PM me your info..... I may be able to get you a copy of the CD. Powerpoint is easy to modify to fit your needs. |
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you arent in Tx but we have a great program thats offered by the Gov to all officers for free. Heres the link: ALERRT training its really appealing because the program is standardized and taught to every class across the state in the same way so first responders from different organizations can work together with minimum preparation. the 2 man thing is right too. They use a T or diamond formation here with at least 4 people and the current trend is to try to throw a few more bodies in the formation to allow a little extra manpower should the situation call for it in dealing with wounded, securing and holding hallways, evacuation routes, ect. BTW, this is all publicly available knowledge for all the OPSEC wary guys. |
Yeah, we have a minimum # of officers for that incident that is significantly higher than 2. And being a part of an active shooter entry team is considered "voluntary" at the scene. |
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Ours is the first supervisor on the scene picks/takes three volunteers and "runs to the guns" so to speak, if the shooting stops, we stop and hold and await reinforcements. Our team training also involves a 4 man "hunter" team in the event we have entered the building covertly and shooting starts in another location. |
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Half of the time we do not have four officers even in town. Town is the main hub or the area. There are 5000 in the winter with another 3-4000 around town and you can more than double the numbers for summer time. We are running into the meth heads more and more. Our area high School has an open campas and you name it and it can be had there. Our meth heads are starting to run with a lot of fire power and we are fighting to catch up. We are standing up a two man sniper team next month and I hope to have at least two active shooter training days per year to start with. Any help is always great. Thanks |
| I work for a large 1,600 man department but we train from 4+ people all the way down to 2 people. The idea is to get officers to the threat as soon as possible. We arm up & immediately begin moving to where we here the shots & neutralize the threat. We don't stop & help people or evac them. That stuff takes place after the threat is over. If all you have is 2 officers on a shift, it doesn't do much good to practice with 4 or more. We did training with simunition. You get a good feel for what does & doesn't work & it allows you to practice good techniques. Get a group of officers you work with & practice different things as pairs & practice against the other officers & then switch things up. |
ALL of our training is designed for two man deploy. Mainly, because that's usually what's on a scene. It can easily be scaled UP, if more troops are available. Two officer deploy isn't the perfect situation, but it will do in a pinch if you have to clear a room, or small house. If you are trying to clear a larger building, like a church, school, or office building, then no, two officer's aren't enough. It doesn't do you much good to train for a 4 or 6 man deploy, if you only have two officers available. Make the best of what you have. I just spent a full day running though our hothouse using simunitions with multiple bad guys and various scenarios. My partner and I gave better than we got. I had a blast... To the OP, call your local FBI office. They will come out and train your people for you. Good Luck with the project. |
Did some Alerrt training Tuesday. I have some nice bruises to show for it! |
In all of the training I have attended, the wounded were bypassed. We also did not clear every room we encountered, if the general area of the shooter was known, we would go there. |
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I cant remember if this was mentioned yet or not, and im sure that its taken for granted on this board, but... If you dont have a carbine or arent already carbine certified then you must do so if you take ALERRT training seriously. Carbines are a very effective force multiplier for any officer and a great intimidation tool that can gain voluntary compliance when a pistol cant. and if you're allowed to carry one type of gun, then your dept. should allow you to carry another. |