Posted: 6/30/2006 10:55:03 AM EDT
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Am I the only one who does this? I keep my OC on the left side of my belt, but the nozzle is always facing out for quick hip deploy. In many situations I have been in, rather than escalate by pulling out the OC, my thumb automatically finds the OC button while it is still on the belt. If needed, I can quickly deliver the spray and keep my hands free. What do ya'll think about it? h.gif |
| My oc holster had a cover flap, so I don't think it would work as well. If I had an open topped, I don't know if I would try it due to the fact I wouldn't be completely sure as to the actual direction. Plus you might get the lateral direction ok, but hitting in the face rather than the crotch could be problematic. I haven't had to use OC, but I think I'll use it as trained. |
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I think that you think too much. How do you get the spray from your hip to their face while the cannister is still in the holster? Doing the limbo maybe....... How long does it take to draw and spray the OC if you already have your hand on it as you describe? If my hand is already on the OC, I can draw and use mine as fast as I can draw my pistol. It seems like a wild shot at best to fire from a holstered OC cannister when it is almost identically as fast to draw and fire the correct way. |
I don't understand... Don't you use your OC to gain compliance? Don't you find that taking your can of OC out and preparing it for spray gains compliance most of the time without having to actually use the spray? When you're chasing somebody do you try to use this technique? Do you look like one of the Village People doing a Shakira impression when you do? Seriously, I can't think of very many situations where a "sneak attack" of pepper spray is the ideal response. |
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I don't understand... Don't you use your OC to gain compliance? Yes. In close quarters. Don't you find that taking your can of OC out and preparing it for spray gains compliance most of the time without having to actually use the spray? Sometimes. In which case having it out already is helpful. When you're chasing somebody do you try to use this technique? No. OC is not appropriate if your running. If you're LE, you should know this. Run, tackle, cuff (although that is how I broke my hand). Do you look like one of the Village People doing a Shakira impression when you do? Won't justify that one. Seriously, I can't think of very many situations where a "sneak attack" of pepper spray is the ideal response. It is only a suggestion that has been effective in certain situations, such as where I am talking someone down, but may still escalate. I have seen it get worse in the ghetto when the can comes out and I have seen it calm. It is only a suggestion. |
Compliments????? Sorry, you would be the joke on the squad doing stuff like that!!!! If you go back to the old swivel style holsters, you could start shooting your gun from the holster too  As for your wrist, did you hurt it trying another fangled move  Your tactic sounds great, but spraying at an angle, in front of you, sounds like an increase of a secondary exposure on yourself. Sure, you get it no matter what when you use OC, but having it spray along your body seems like you are asking for more. Your original commment about escalating by pulling out the OC doesn't make sense. The mere presence is usually a deterrent. If you know you are going to spray him, it has already escalated. As for your Taser issues, there is something wrong there........... you said no crap, so I'll let it slide. |
Careful with that. One of my guys wore his like that and his canister either leaked or sprayed into the holster a little bit, bit the OC dried on the sides of the can. He figured it wa out of date one day and went to supply and turned it in for another one, and handling it got the dried OC on his hands. Comes times to go out and actually work, and Jimmy hits the head in the front lobby of the office on his way out the door. In that particular head, the sinks are in line with the door, so when the door opens, it is actually possible to see who's standing at the sink. Anyway, Jimmy is draining the lizard, and suddenly feels an immediate burning sensation all over his bone. Dumbass is dancing and hopping around the bathroom until he finally calms down and realizes what solves this problem...soap and water, right? So there's Deputy Jimmy, half propped up on the counter, with his burning willy as far into the sink as he can fling it, and he desperately pouring soap and water onto it and rubbing the hell out of it. About that time, the door flies open and it just happens to be Lt Randy, the biggest and loudest old fart that still has a job. He just stops in the doorway, and is standing there with the door wide open and Jimmy still furiously trying to get that OC off his junk, and people in the lobby are peeking into the bathroom to see what the hell's going on. "Jimmy, What in the living HELL are you doing, boy?" |
Got a tip from a CI on a dude slinging crack. My partner and I posted up (in uniform) and saw him serve a couple fools. Approached him as he was facing away from us, seeing him holding a wad of cash in one hand and a wadded up object in his left hand, and said, "Hey dude." He turned, saw who we were and after a 150 yard dash, a great open feild tackle (except for landing on my wrist with him on top of it), and 20 grams of crack later, he was indicted by the feds for the dope and resisting. Sucks for me being out for 6-8 weeks. |
That was hillarious! Reminds me of a buddy who does contracting work, he's a retired LEO. One day he got some tar or something on his hands and went to take a leak in the shop. About ten minutes later he's found hanging over the sink using our 'Gojo' hand cleaner -with fine Italian pumice- to clean his willy.  |
That sure is a fast indictment. Guess there isn't much of a back log in the fed courts there. Your chemical analysis section must be extremely fast also then. Are you a fed PO??? |
OK, here goes. 1. Was in a foot pursuit with an idiot who bailed out of a stolen car. I cornered him in a back yard, but he was still trying to get away. I told him to stop and drew my Taser. I was within 10 feet of him. He turned to run again, so I aimed and tried to pop him. The dot was in the center of his back, but when the darts exited the cart, they split (like a Blue Angels Split) in opposite directions, almost perpendicular to me and him. As soon as he heard the pop, he turned on the afterburners and I lost him. 2. Was on a domestic call when my partner went to cuff one party. The guy pulled away and backed himself into a corner. I drew Taser and ordered him to comply. He refused so I tried to pop him. One dart went into him as prescibed, but the second shot out only about a foot and hung limp out the end of the cartridge. Both the bad guy and I had a "Holy Sh*t" look on our faces. When he realized how lucky he just was, he says, "Ok sir, I'll do what you say now." 3. Had a crazy homeless stopped on the street when he became very beligerant (spelling?) and began making a scene, so we went to lock him up for his warrants and peace disturbane, but he wanted to fight about it... so I popped him with the taser. He had a coat on, but I had winter loads. Darts went in and stuck, but they didn't phase him. He looked at me, said "F$#k You, Bitch!" and pulled the darts out of himself, threw them on the ground, and sqared up to throw a punch. A quick blast of OC and a shot to the leg with the ASP finally took the fight out of him. After that, these all happened in a two month period, I gave it up. As a side note, I had observed a Tasing in one of our cells where a dude gets hit with both darts without a shirt on. Not only did it not affect him, but without saying a word, he pulled his own darts out, broke the wire, and flushed them down the toilet in the cell. |
Someone in your department tased a perp inside a cell? He's in a CELL. He's not going anywhere. Compliance is achieved by having 4 officers, one officer per limb, grab him and force him wherever you need him. More importantly... Your department allows officers to carry things other than batons in lockup? Sounds like your department is begging for either an excessive force or officer injury in lockup. |
24 hours??? OK, I seriously doubt that is the case. There are times, like this, where a test result will or most likely will take more than 24 hours. Especially for an indictment, there is NO WAY that would ever been done in 24 hours. Or are you just trying to say the court requires the paperwork to be filed in 24 hours? There is a big difference there....... The paperwork being filed for a simple PC or prelim hearing only requires basic information and not all the pertinent details. BTW, I question your resisting charge at the federal level. You aren't a fed LEO and the federal government has no authority in charging a state offense. Just a thought  As for this "He had a coat on, but I had winter loads." Where did winter loads come from?? Never heard of them and neither has Taser ever said anything about them....wonder why that is  Something stinks 
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Regarding the Taser, Taser has different cartridges for different uses. They have trainers with blue doors, and I believe that the summer loads have green doors while the winter have yellow bay doors ( I could be mixed up on that).The difference in the two is the lenght of the barbs (don't know if they have more propellant or not) to allow deeper penetration through the standard issued ghetto puffy coat. I don't know where to buy them, they are provided to us. In training, we were showed the difference between the barbs. Fed charges? I misstyped (brain runs faster than my one hand). Feds issued the dope. State issued dope, Trafficking 2nd Degree, and resisting. My commander made me charge him with Assault on LEO, but I knew that was a stretch and they refused it like I knew they would. As far as the lab goes, well, I can't testify to the thoroughness of the results. All I know is that I take the dope to the lab and less than 24 hours later, I get a certified statement telling me what the substance was and how much. We have to apply for a case within 24 hours, unless there are mitigating circumstances or we face an allegation. One year ago, it was within 20 Hours, but the law changed this year. We've got a great lab. It's our lab, it's open 24 hours a day, and I believe that they will sometimes take submissions for the State Patrol and County agencies. They have a firearms section, Chemical analysis section, DNA Lab, and God knows what else because we, the grunts, are not allowed back there. I think you would be impressed. If you're ever in the Midwest, email me and we'll see if you'll be near my area... I'll show you around. |
I'm only going justify this comment by saying that you do not know the whole story or the reason. It was justified. Had you been there, you would have understood. |
Actually they do exist and are sold by Taser International although they aren't called "winter loads". The standard dart length is 9.53mm. The longer or XP dart is 13.33mm. It was designed to penetrate heavy clothing. www.taser.com/law/specs/RD-SPEC-CRTG-001-G.pdf They get used a lot up here in the frozen tundra.
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Whatever you may think or know, we have been using them for two years. Call our Armory if you want more info. |