Posted: 3/31/2005 8:07:41 AM EDT
| Does anyone know how to obtain information on the US M16 plan for police departments (not individual officers). I believe they are either free or super cheap to departments and I think they are older M16A1s that have been turned in by the National Guards. |
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Yes, you need to contact the Texas State Point of contact at: https://wex.drms.dla.mil/leso/ Once your agency signs up and signs all the obligitory forms, then go shopping, on-line, for everything but weapons. Your state point of contact can order your rifles for you. About the M16A1 rifles. They will limit you to 20% of your department. If you have 100 officers, then you can have 20 rifles. Once you submit for them, then fater a waiting period of 90 to 365 days, they will call you and have your agency remit, in money, shipping charges. (My last 4 rifles were $123.00 so that breaks down to $30.75 each) Once you receive them you must register them with BATFE on Form 10's. ETA: They also have real nice M1A1 (M-14 .308 rifles) and .45 auto's, if your interested. 
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You are correct. They are M16A1's. We were able to get 1 for every 4 officers. You must write up a proposal. Your POC for the program will give you the outline. Our Point of Contact is the Kentucky State Police. They came full auto, so all I did was swap out some parts, made them semi auto, and everyone likes the A2 hand guards better, so on they went. You could keep them full auto, or make them 3 round burst. Remember, once a machine gun, always a machine gun. Even though they are semi auto now, they have to be registered, and you can not sell them or transfer them (without permission) Full auto was not going to work for what we were going to do with them, but I think the best set up is safe, semi, 3 round. Email me a phone number for you, and Ill give you further details if you like. If the proposal out line is the same as the one I had to use, and I think it is, Ill give you ours. Just change out some stuff. Art in KY Why reinvent the wheel when you can just borrow someone else’s? I "borrow" more ideas, reports, and policies then the bosses care to admit.  |
Agreed about the ideas, but I thought he was in Texas ? Same point of contact ? |
Exactly what he said. You need to contact Senior Airman Weller of the Texas National Guard's Counterdrug Program at (512) 782-6975 (e-mail at: [email protected]). Your agency will have to get signed up for the Texas 1033 Program. That involves having your Chief/Agency Head and the City Manager/Mayor/County Commissioner to sign an MOU, which you fax to the state office. Once approved by LESO at FT Belvoir, you are in the program and do a separate letter for weapons transfers. M16A1s run about $25-25 each, and are typically depot-level rebuilds that have been taken out of storage. They will be used, but in workable condition (Weapons are the only item that 1033 inspects and guarantees, to an extent). The M14s we got were under $20, and were depot rebuilds; basically the same as brand-new weapons. |
Go to: www.dla.mil/j-3/leso/ Follow the Links to "State Coordinators." They list the following for Colorado: COLORADO Mr. Ron Hinton Colorado State Patrol 1033 Program- DoD Excess Property 700 Kipling Street, Suite 3000 303-239-4436 Denver 80215 FAX: 303-239-5775 POC1:Ms. Wendy Meredith POC2:Ms. Barbara Hanstrom POC3:Ms. Heather Meredith [email protected] |
Thanksz |
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FYI, You can now get them at a rate of 40% of department size. For those of you who got them at the 20% rate can put in requests for more rifles. This is for M16A1's and M14's. 1911's are on a 100% basis. Our state coordinator said some guys were getting Colt 1911's. Our last M16A1 was a Colt. Also, they have sped up the return time. My last request I did was submitted in December and we got a letter last week letting us know to expect a packet soon. |
SWEET! I'll be putting in for some more rifles. |
It's just a guess, but I think it's partly due to the Marines and Army transitioning to the M16A4. Now, the M16A2's will probably be going into storage, after being gone through. So, maybe years down the road, we'll be able to get M16A2's through the program. Okay, so maybe I'm dreaming a little bit. |
Also, that 40% isn't set in stone. Lake of the Woods County, in Northern Minnesota acquired more than that because they were able to articulate a need for them. They have to go through Canada to get to part of the county, so they got some extra rifles to store up there. I'd check with your State Coordinator and see what they have to say. According to ours, we are one of the highest for acquiring weapons through the program, so maybe he's got a little more pull. |