Good officer as well. Deserves a pat on the back for that bit of self-control. Did you listen to the commentary by the Animal control officer? Dog did not hurt the cop, and had no history of hurting anyone so he was released? Interesting, to say the least. Also noticed the officer drew his weapon on a concrete roadway? TRG PS. I'll give hi ma pass on the muzzle sweep, with adrenaline pumping, he probably did not even see his partner downrange. |
I didn't realize it either until the commentary. Although I have seen alot of dogs that would run from the sight of a gun, even a handgun. Makes them hard to hit.  TRG |
It doesn't even look like a full-blood Rott. snout's too long.... a mix maybe? Tail wasn't even bobbed. |
My dog runs away when I point my guns at him. Every time I'm cleaning them, he wants to stick his nose in. I pointed an unloaded one at him years ago and he ran away. Been doing it ever since. Now he hardly ever bothers me while I'm cleaning. |
That 'warning shot' comment got a chuckle, I admit. Touche' From what was said, they just handed the dog back to the owner? Since the 'policy' of Animal Control (who is a part of the PD here locally) was to simply return the dog if there were no injuries and no previous history of biting, and the officer was not bit, would he have been in trouble if he had shot the dog? BTW, about the partner's angle to the 'shooter', it looked like his partner rushed in parallel to him, it was when the officer turned that he swept his partner. Until that turn he was at a 'safe' angle and moved in safely. TRG PS. He did look familiar, maybe he was in my last Dog Saving class...
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We have a law that given those circumstance the dog would have been declared a Dangerous Dog and the owner would have 5 days to construct a kennel with concrete floor, kennel roof, a padlock on the gate and post the property that there is a Dangerous Dog on the property. Any violations results in a court order to destroy the dog at the expense of the owner. Any damages (injuries) inflicted by the dog are a liability of the owner. |
Sounds like a good idea to me. TRG |
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Not to hijack your thread, but since mine got locked while I was at work today and this thread is an obvious attempt to prove your point I'll add something. Several questions and concerns were raised in the other 'dog shooting' thread that I will now respond to. The simple answer was to take the drunken 'home invader' straight to jail and not bother with trying to undo his mistake. This is something that the Officer had every right to do, but instead tried to remedy a mistake. Let's face it, if there was a thread entitled, "Those sorry Cops hauled my friend to jail for no reason." and the story was that someone's friend had too much to drink and got lost and ended up in the wrong apartment and the person didn't want to press charges for the mishap. The ARFCOM legions would be lined up around the block complaining about how those JBT's wouldn't even bother to go to an apartment in the same complex to help the guy get home. Instead the Officers tried to show some compassion and get the poor guy to the right place. How hard would it have been for the dog owner to say, "Wait a minute while I get a leash for my dog." My guess (knowing the Officer) is that the Officer would have said, "Okay." and waited. Sometimes Officers in the course of an investigation have to go to someone's house/apartment in the middle of the night. Lastly the dog owner admitted that he heard the Officer and understood the commands but CHOSE to open the door without any restraint on the dog. The dog was a 75-85 lb Lab/Chow mix. While the video was entertaining and was attempting to prove a point, it didn't. Apples and oranges, the story that started this occurred at 0230 in close quarters with the dog owner conciously choosing to open his door with the dog uncontrolled. There were three people present during the shooting of the dog at the apartment, two Officers and the dog owner. The dog owner's wife came to the door after the shot was fired. Lastly, in your video what recourse was the Officer about to take if a Taser had not been deployed by his PARTNER? I didn't see the Officer that was being attacked attempt to deploy anything but a weapon. Oh yeah, that kick that he applied like you have suggested Officers perform worked like a champ........not. My story came from the I.A. Sgt. who had lunch with us and had just finished taking the dog owner's statement. His take on the story was/is that the dog owner had the DUTY to control his dog in public. If the Officer had been in the apartment when the dog lunged/attacked it might have been different, but the Officer was in a public place (the breezeway where there are three other apartment front doors). In case there wasn't enough fuel on this fire already, during a follow up visit today the I.A. Sgt. found out that the dog owner is getting evicted from the complex by the apt mgr because of this incident. |
I appreciate you taking the time to add more details. And you're correct, that officer in the video was about to apply the same response to that dog, but he didn't. It is a shame that the good deed of trying to get a drunk home had to lead this incident. It cannot turn in to a positive for the officers, they still have headaches to deal with from the incident. Even if that is just good natured ribbing from his fellow officers. I don't mind that we see it differently, we live in two seperate worlds. In my world, I don't have any expectation that I would not be in jail if this incident was about me shooting my neighbor's dog at 2AM. There would not be any internal investigation to see what happened. My gun, my rights and time would be taken from me until I hired a lawyer, posted bail, and dealt with the reprecussions. In my world, carrying a gun, and using it to shoot a dog at 2AM is a free ticket to jail. FWIW, I am sorry that the officers, as a reward for their good deed of returning a drunk( they do sound like decent cops to me), ended up in this predicament. But, it does not change the fact that two rules apply, one for you, one set for me. If you had come up to this scene with no officers, just a good samaritan, a drunk, a dead dog a homeowner, and a firearm, would you have patted the Good Sam on the back, told him...nice work... and sent him home? Don't take my perspective as an attack on you, just as a view from the other world that you work in. It might help show you why many people feel the cops are not on thier side, that laws are not applied equally, and shooting a dog is not considered a 'good shoot' to most people. TRG |
Why do you continue to insist on thinking that if the participants were changed and that a civilian did it, that he would be arrested? If someone was legally carrying a gun and attacked by a dog and killed it, then so be it - the dog got what he deserved. What would they be charged with - defending themselves? The only difference would be that you wouldn't have any support for your argument that cops feel they are better than you. The majority of cops out there don't have a superiority complex. Maybe those civilians who consistently think that, actually have an inferiority complex of their own instead. 
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FWIW, there is no proof to my argument that a citizen would be treated differently. But it does leave the question open to you. Would you have sent the Good Sam home with his weapon and a pat on the back? Or would you have let a court work it out? And I never said I felt that all cops feel superior, but I do recognize when they overstep common sense. Taking the drunk home would be my reaction, and I regret that their one act of kindness put them in their predicament. If the cops were asked, would they have reacted differently now? I bet they would. I would also bet they would be less likely to do a drunk a favor in the future, that they become more jaded, and resent the reaction to what they felt was a necessary shooting. And that is the real tragedy here. Two good cops, one bad situation and it changes them from trying to help, to being something else entirely. But, it does not change my opinion that they let their badge do their thinking. We really don't have anyway to know what the officers were thinking. The dog owner could have told the cops to 'get bent'. At some point, mistakes happened that lead to this shooting and all of that could have been avoided. From what was posted, the owner knew the dog was going to go out and be aggressive, he screwed up, and the officers were left with the consequences. If he had lawyered up, I could bet you his story would be 'Oh no... my dog does not bite, I did not let him out.' TRG |
Extra crispy with some tots. TRG |
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I read more than enough of this shit in the GD. I come here to get away from the BS. Or so I thought. We have post here about Brother Officer's that have been shot and some of them killed in the line of duty, and right along with those post is another post where someone is still bitching about a dog that got shot and the earlier thread on the subject was locked , but here we are again. |
Actually, I don't see anyone bitching at all. It was a discussion a couple days ago, and both sides involved seemed to have understood the others position. While we may not have agreed in the end, the purspose of the discussion was to see other viewpoints. From my IMs with the other side of the debate, there was nothing more than a difference of views on the issue and I appreciated them taking the time to explain their outlook on it. That is the purpose of a discussion board. As for not seeing this in here, who better to explain the police side of the story WITHOUT all the miscreants from GD than you guys? For those that took the time to constructively explain their points, I appreciated it. TRG |
| It was a dog that was obviously attacking the guy. I would expect anyone, police officer or not, to shoot the dog. And if you live in a state that is so anti-self defense that you can't even shooot a dog without fear of going to jail, you need to either move or do something to change the mindset of the population. |
I live in Texas, with some of the strongest self defense laws, and very good second person defense laws as well. That would not prevent me from going to jail if I shot a dog on a neighbor's property. I might be that rap, but I would not beat the ride. TRG |