Posted: 5/24/2004 2:50:23 PM EDT
| If I hear that name again I think I will scream! OK truth be known in TN that is about all you do with an EMT licence, but still I just found out today I passed my national registry and I am extremely proud. That test was a b####. I start Medic school in Aug. and we shall see how that goes. Thanks for listening guess I needed to blow my horn a bitas I am pretty darn proud of my achievment ( even if I am only an "ambulance driver") hail |
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Well...unfortunately, the general public really has no idea what we are capable of doing (and do on a regular basis). My department actually has one of the most aggressive/progressive medical protocols in the country, but much of the general public thinks we drive around sticking band aids on people (until they actually need to call 911). The public is not generally educated on EMS. BTW, there is a series of books with funny EMS related cartoons called something like "Im Not an Ambulance Driver, Damnit!" |
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Congratulations dude. National Registry is nothing to scoff at, and most people would be suprised how much an EMT-I has to know to be registered. Most EMI-Is are near the level of a nurse, but without all the pharmacology. I know its hard, but you are going to have to accept the fact that most people are idiots when it comes to the world around them. They are going to call you all sorts of cute names that they hear on TV (the ambulance guys, bus driver, etc) and ask you all sorts of stupid questions ([dumbass]can I smoke in here?[dumbass]...[me] uh, no sir, there is a 200 lb tank of oxygen there that is a flammable hazard (dude is on O2 at the time) and smoking may set it off[me]) and do all sorts of crazy things. Just go forth and do your best and know that the work you are doing is important. The finest ERs and the finest doctors in the world can't do shit if the patients are laying in the street dead. Oh, and remember this always...no matter what you do, most of your patients will live  Good luck, be safe |
Actually O2 isnt flamable. Congrats on makeing it. |
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Nurses are lost in the field because they are not trained in "Pre Hospital" Care,,,,,as far as EMT-I's being on a level of a nurse? Apples and Oranges......are you going to compare the two,,two differant forms of patient care. and if anyone thinks that the basic NREMT exam/praticles are a bitch etc. wait till they take the Paramedic exam...and that really is not bad,,,if you study! If you are "bright" then,,well don't study much and you'll do fine..... After retiring "from the job" I got a job as a ER Tech,,I got the job because of my Paramedic Certification. sure most "floor Nurses" aren't worth much at a trauma site etc. but give me a Trauma ER RN any day to help me out "on the scene". I got fustrated working with my level of training/skill and not being able to use all of it,,sure I saved alot of patients from ignorance,,,including first and foremost some M.D.'s So, I went back to scholl and became a R.N. was not as easy as my Paramedic Training when you consider all the differant classes etc. Inclosing, all R.N.'s would benefit from taking a BASIC EMT course and continue upwards. I love working with health care providers that have pre hospital training,,,it is not brain surgery,,,but it helps alot.....differant way of thinking... Remember,,hone your skills and put your patient at ease,,be confident in their eyes even when tunnel vision is peaking at you,,,,psychological first aid is not impressed upon Nursing students. But is of paramount importance............. |
The state of florida scoffs at it! 
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psychological first aid is not impressed upon Nursing students. But is of paramount importance............. Im so glad this is finaly being taught to EMTs and Medics. We used to learn it from our proctors. I always stressed this point to RNs when teaching ACLS ect to them. It's so easy for them to pull a curtan and ignore the problem.... My bitch is RNs feel that they should be able to challenge the Paramedic test but Medics should have to start from square one, CNA class.....Why? |
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Wow, it burns you THAT much? Blah! Get over yourself! Paramedics ARE EMT's (with a -P on the end) and off duty, we're ALL slaves to BLS. Paramedics with tudes would be wise to remember were they came from. Paramedics save lives, EMT's save paramedics. I would hope you didn't flap your gums like that to your EMT partner.
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And EMT’s hate it when you call them ‘Glorified First Responders’........ 
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...lol... I am an EMT-B at the moment and finish EMT-P class in Feb. I have worked for a high call volume service for the last 4 years. I dont refer to myself as a medic now nor will I when I have the blue and gold. What a lot of "Paramedics" dont understand is that emergency medicine is a TEAM effort. One man shows and arogant "Paramedics" have killed many a patients I am sure. Come down of your high horse and remember there are some salty EMT-B's and I's out there that can teach you a thing or two.
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Don't get me wrong, Id rather have an EMT as a partner than another medic any day. Too many cooks. BTW, thats MICP. I spent yearrs telling people what an EMT was. Now people either think EMTs are Paramedics or visa versa. 4 credits class opposed to a degree program. |
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BTW...MICP (Mobile Intensive Care Paramedic) = EMT-P (Emergency Medical Technician- Paramedic)Same thing. MICP is an outdated acronym that refers to "Paramedic", albeit, MICP looks cool on an old name plates as it did for "Johnny & Roy". Don't wast your time telling the GP what an EMT is, it's a waste of breath and IMHO, not all that crucial for them to know the difference and it makes you sound like an elitest (AKA: Paragod) which serves no purpose other than arrogance. All they need to know is when they call for "The Paramedics", you show up. Why would you bother to spend years telling people what an EMT is or isn't? So they think EMT's are MEDICS (Medics are STILL EMTs), so what? What do you care? Do their opinions matter on your run sheets? They still call us "Ambulance drivers" whist we certainly do more than that. I hear it all the time, I hear it from fire as well and I'm indifferent to it, who cares if the firetruck driver, channel changer, barbeque master and keeper of the station's sacred TV remote control gets it wrong? Your reference to a 4 credit class -v- a degree program shows an incredible lack of respect for EMTs. Info only, some of the EMT classes in the PRK are 11 to 15 unit courses (At the EMT-B level.) which is considerably more than the 4 units you've described. Medics don't have the market cornered on what defines a dialed in EMS professional, there are EMT's who will read the ECG with awesome accuracy and report these findings to a truck of a medic who's BLS skills are so poor, the patient's fortune was that there was an EMT on the rig that maintained the edge of the crew. Eh, bleh, I'm ranting on.... You get the just of the jist. I'm beating a dead horse here.
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Oh brother.... Dude, MICP is as out dated as you are! 1979, eh? And you knew "Johnny -n- Roy" personally right? *rolling* Sounds like you need to do some reading. Get over yourself! Too funny! Someone needs narcan!
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Hello all, I'm brand new to the forum. I've lurked here from time to time, but I recently bought a carbine and figured it was about time to log in. Ak, sorry bud, but I couldn't help but laugh at your comment. No offence or flames implied, to each his own. I worked as a reserve firefighter/ EMT, for 4 years, then spent a few years as a full-time ambulance driver. In the area I worked EMTs attend about as many patients in the back as their paramedic partners do. Whenever anyone asked me what I did for a living I told them I was an ambulance driver. As other people here have pointed out, the general public doesn't know, or even give a rats a$$ about what an EMT or an EMT-P is. I always knew my job, my partners knew my job, and that's all I really cared about. Just so everyone knows where I'm coming from, I was never a paramedic. I did complete paramedic school, as well as my clinical internship. That was three years ago. I never began my field internship or took the National Registry medic test, because I got into a new career. The reason I had to laugh at your comment is this; Why would someone call themself a "medic" to imply they are a "paramedic"? "Para" means "similar to". A true "medic" is someone in a combat environment, who provides life-saving care under fire. Medics have been around for quite a bit longer (an understatement) than "paramedics". As far as training is concerned most medics were probably closer to the level of an EMT, than an EMT-P. It's my guess that more lives have been saved by EMT level "medics" placing bandages on gun-shot wounds than by civilian "paramedics" dropping ET tubes and pushing Epi and Atropine into dead 90 year olds. I've been on more than one call where several paramedics were standing around arguing over a rhythm strip and the lowly EMT brings it to everyone's attention that the patient has stopped breathing, and wouldn't it be a good idea to start bagging the poor soul. Don't get me wrong, I have a lot of respect for good paramedics, and a lot of disrespect for crappy ones. A "medic" can be anything from an EMT to a trauma surgeon. |
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The truth is "medic" referes to a MD. Thus "Paramedic" is to be beside the MD. That is why we as well as PAs are called Physician extenders. We are the mutpl hands of the MDs. I agree wholeheartedly about too many medic on scene and have agued aganst dual medic rigs for years. How else are EMTs supposed to get seat time? Give me a good EMT over most any medic anyday. The point of this whole thread was EMTs don't like being called ambulance drivers. I don't like EMTs calling them selves more than they are either. It gives EMS a bad name when some rookie yaahoo shows up and steps all over his dick. It's so bad that Alabama (I think that wasa the state) passed a law allowing EMTs to call themselves Paramedics becouse thats what the public wanted. What a crock of crap! I have found that most vocal EMTs are the ones that never progress. The best of the best use there BLS skills to become really good Paamedics. The rest sit around and snivel about how much better they are than real medics and never move on....Thats MOST, not all. Again, y'all want to argue the history of EMS, ya better read up, I was there for a lot of it. |
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I'm glad that where you are most of the good EMTs become paramedics. A disturbing trend I see in my area is that some of the newer paramedics are simply doing it so they can get hired by Fire. Some will openly admit they hate working on patients, and can't wait until they get a "real job" as a fire fighter. Conversly I know many EMTs who've stayed at that level not because they are lazy (it's hard to be on an ambulance in my area and have time to be lazy hey The best paramedics I knew were an inspiration. I worked with many fine professional paramedics who were career ambulance paramedics. They were the most dedicated and selfless people I've ever met. Some are still my best friends. As for me personally, I haven't "quit" my EMS career, and I apologize if it came across that way. I'm a cop and recently became a SWAT Medic. I'll finish my internship one of these days hinking.gif. |
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User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm glad that where you are most of the good EMTs become paramedics. A disturbing trend I see in my area is that some of the newer paramedics are simply doing it so they can get hired by Fire. Some will openly admit they hate working on patients, and can't wait until they get a "real job" as a fire fighter. Conversly I know many EMTs who've stayed at that level not because they are lazy (it's hard to be on an ambulance in my area and That my friend is exactly why I stoped proctering interns. First question Id ask is "why do you want to be a medic?" Answer was always "to get a job with the fire department"...End of interview..... I only procter people that want to be real medics, not FFs with a bonus on there paycheck.... |
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AK, Dude, you're STILL whining about what an EMT calls himself? Holy shit, you've got issues! It's not that important! Rookie yahoos stepping on their dicks on scene? *shaking head* I hope you mean the Rookie yahoo MEDIC stepping all over his dick totally embarassing the EMT in front of fire. I don't see too many "rookie EMT's" stepping on their dicks here, Field Training is a real bitch and FTOs are most certainly NOT gentle. I don't see our medics talking like you, but then again, when they precept through us, Preceptors arn't gentle either. By the time an EMT or Medic gets "released" into the field, healthy servings of humility a la mode have been gulped down in concert with large quantities of competancy. Personally, I've seen fire step all over their dicks than an EMT on scene. Hell, they step all over our dicks too. We're professionals, so, we say nothing to them about it and run our call. It's not about the gums that flap on scene, or status of "title", even for the egomaniacs. You don't like "EMTs calling them selves more than they are" (quoted)? Ok, so, what do you think an EMT is? You express contempt for an EMT calling themselves a medic, you express alot of contempt for EMTs, then you go on to talk about how you'd rather work with one over a medic. Your very inconsistant. Who gives a shit what Alabama decided to "allow" EMT's to call themselves. Does it effect your service area? No? Then don't worry about it. You're sweating the small shit, and for what? No one gives a fuck. What's a real crock of crap is that you would have such an issue about trivial shit. Run your calls and shut up. Your battle to hold the term "medic" to a "higher standard" of what looks like self appointed "godhood" is a total waste of time. You think most of the "more vocal EMT's" are the ones that never progress? Oh brother, you are either full of shit or you're a burnout. I've yet to meet anyone in EMS without being both vocal and egotistical to some degree, myself included. Are you saying that you've never been vocal? If so, that's laughable, you're being vocal now. You likened vocal EMT's to "sitting around, sniveling about how much better they are than real paramedics". Are you THAT insecure with yourself as a medic to think that way? I hope I'm wrong, otherwise, why don't you hang it up in the field and become a supe, I'm sure operations could use another blathering troll. Think about it, a pay raise, a white shirt, a coffee cup and you could hang out in dispatch bitching about ambitious EMT's calling themselves "medics". What makes EMS look bad are self inflated medics like you who demand the world marvel at your delusional magnificience, "You! EMT! Bow before my deified medic majesty for EMT stands for EAT MY TRASH"! Now, you will understand where EMT's under their breath call medics "paradick". I guess I'm fortunate working in the California EMS system and company where EMTs are respected by medics and treated well. AK, ya know, in many ways, you seem like a bright guy and you're probably not a bad sort to hang out with off duty providing you don't talk shop, but, on the job, you've got to be a real downer that would make a 12 hour shift feel like an eternity unless you would assure me that you wouldn't speak to me or anyone else during the shift. LETS PLAY WITH THIS! (For shits and giggles. Hell, I'm giggling) Look at the label MICP. Mobile Intensive Care Paramedic. How redundant. Moble? Of course the Paramedic is MOBILE! See that cute lil ambulance with the wheels? Otherwise, how the fuck are we going to get there? Intensive Care? Why certainly! It's ALS, Advanced life support, I guess that's pretty intensive. Care? Hmmmm...Depends on the quality of CARE provided, huh? Lastly, but never least, PARAMEDIC.. *falls over* So, umm, does an EMT on an ALS unit qualify for your spiffy "MIC" too? Looks kinda funny, lets look at it. "MICEMT". Huh? *tilt* Ok, I'm envisioning security guards with jackets that say "Special Enforcement Officer" here. *laughing now*. The EMT is on an ALS unit, Lets see, Mobile? YUP! Same spiffy ambulance, Intensive care? Sure, it's an Advanced Life Support unit, Care? Hmmmmmmmmmm ditto to the above, EMT? Yup! Sure enough! It's an EMT! BUt, MICEMT... MICE who??? Mice Mountain? Is THAT what that means? I'm so confused now, I know when I key up with base station hospital, an MICN (Mobile Intensive Care Nurse" answers. She gives me alot of cool drug calculations and relays orders from the docs to me, but, she's NOT mobile, She sounds INTENSE though, Care? Hmm, I remember her, she was pretty dialed, yeah, she cares. NURSE? Yup!. Umm, labels... oh wow.. Anyone ELSE getting a headache here? I am so screwed here, identity struggle here, wait, I saw something, my run sheet! Yeah!, There it is. Crew Members: Name of EMT, Name of EMT-P. Whew, glad THAT was resolved! Sorry partner, your an EMT-P. Hmm, what does THAT stand for? The MICN and the Doc in the ER says it stands for "EMT MY TRASH, PRICK"! Sounds like chain of progression to me. Doc shits on the nurse, nurse shits on you, you shit on the EMT, and the EMT, well, shit..... Since we've taken a shit, well, everyone but the EMT, we should feel much better now. Nevermind the EMT, he doesn't get to shit. Hey, there's an ambulance outside! Lemme go look.... *reading decals on side* "Paramedics". Wow, that sounds great! Lets take the crew and encapsulate them into one word, "Paramedics". It's sure easier than saying "Here comes the MICP and the MICEMT now". Hmm. nah, too long, I'm out of breath and I'm Joe Citizen and I don't personally give a fuck, I got it, "Hey, the medics are here"! shit! I've just solved AK's problem with labels! And for my next trick, watch me pull a medic out of my ass! Ak, did I make your head hurt yet? Feeling a little silly now? If not, alas, sorry, you're hopeless and your partner probably wants to see your face on the back of a milk carton. *Ace Ventura Voice* Well, Alllllllrightttttyyyyy thennnnnnnn! This has been entertaining. AK, blather on! But.. Psssst! *whispers* Get over yourself and your need to feel secure with titles! *Blistering over*
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It's not so hard to understand, newer medics are simply "following the money". Fire pays MORE than private ambulance. It's all on what you want to do. I'm not satisfied with patient care on scene, I get more out of a combination of care on scene and transporting, thus, if I want to do this, I must stick with provate ambulance (Unless I am fortunate enough to get on with an FD that transports, where are FEW and far in between, alas, I'm in my later 30s and frankly, I don't feel like attending a fire academy) The FD turncoats refere to FIRE as a "real job" do so (citing the above) as they get "real job" money. Too bad private ambulances pay so shitty. Of course, fire gets paid through government funding, through Federal, state, county and municipal taxes and grants where private ambulance is subject to paying it's EMS workers out of portioned funds recieved via adequately insured patients, when medicare FEELS like paying. When health care insurance is "standardized" and uniform for all, I don't see this changing. If your bitter because the prospective medic student wants to be a medic to go work for fire, relax, he's only following the money. I bet they still want to be a "real medic", I'm betting they want to make "real wages". Are YOU happy with YOUR paycheck? Hell, if I were still in my early 20s, I might have opted to go fire medic too, skip transporting and buy a bigger house, own a better car, have more toys. As far as precepting EMT-P students, it takes patience, grasshopper.
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I think it's you that has the serious ego problem. Late 30s and still working as an EMT? Hummmm?....BTW my CA license is #1102 As far as privates vs fire ambulance, IMHO there is no choice, privates do it becouse they want to be there doing pt care....The worse thing that ever happened to EMS other than SSM was AMRs takeover of the world. So many now believe that AMRs way is the only way and any other companys ideas or level of care is wrong. Still better than most fire ambulances though. Also, there are a lot of NON moble paramedics around too. An EMT calling himself a "medic" is like a security guard calling himself a cop. People expect a level of training and care and using the word medic muddles the issue. |
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*LMFAO* AK, dude, you're a total crack up! I didn't think you would be THIS funny! Your CA WHAT license is "1102"? Ya got a P number on you somewhere? No? I didn't think so. Looks like you don't have a CA ANYTHING! I doubt seriously that your a medic. More like a psych patient who's watches a few too many episodes of "3rd watch" and "Reno 911" and think this shit's for real. As far as AMR's "takeover of the world", dude, you make me laugh! Yeah, I'm AMR, I enjoy working at AMR, you sure seem to bitch alot. Ummmmmm, I'm thinking you applied and got turned down. Once upon a time, when I worked at Cole Schaefer, I ran into a few whiners like you in Westco. It was funny. Such collective bellyaching. "Waaaa, big bad AMR's gunna destroy the EMS world... waaaaaa" Dude, tums! Try 'em! As far as my ego *cracking up* I already said I had an ego, right along with everyone else in the biz, ya putz! Did you bother to read EVERYTHING I wrote? Apparantly not. Yup! I'm late 30s and I'm an EMT and I still have a blast on the job. You've got issues with that? Wow, you must be one WEAK paramedic to be so threatened by an EMT. And you're still whining about EMT's calling themselves medics? *rolling here* Dude, you're such a crybaby! Get over yourself or get in the back of the rig with the rest of the 4am GI pain whiners.
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Connelly698, Congrats! It's a great career. Although depending on where you live, the pay may not be the greatest. Work up to Paramedic, get a degreem then go to PA school. One thing you'll learn in medicine is that there's always some one who knows less than you, and always some one who knows more than you. Something cool can be learned every day. All my Registry/State and whatever else expired in 1998. Now I'm just a dumb electrician - and thinking about going back. Backstop - NREMT-P Reg #53****. That's from 1980, for you new guys! I think they started the numbers over or something once...
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| That would be my P license dumbass. How did I know you worked for AMR? Years of dealing with impotent little fools who think they know as much as real medics. The fact that you have been afraid to go to P school says alot about you. Your long winded babblings say more. If you need a job to be your ego, then your even more pathetic than you sound here. If you need to call your self a medic, which Im sure you do, then you need to grow some nuts. |
*LMFAO* OOOOH! AK, I struck a nerve! "P-License" *roaring* You are soooo not a medic! What's more is you are easier than a 19 year old nympho hopped up on E! Dude, you're killing me! Umm, ya say yer a paramedic? *rolling* ummm NOPE! Rejected! Man, you've got issues! Some advice about your psych meds... UP THE DOSAGE! You're sooooo killin' me here! You're gunna have a CVA if you don't get that temper under control! Yer a medic, *cracking up* yeah, uh huh... And I can buy oceanfront property in Arizona! Put the remote control down, hell, change the channel! "Third watch" is definately screwing you up! It's funny to see you lose it like this with me, did I give you a ride to Arrowhead Regional Behavioral before? If I havn't, call me, AMR takes MEDICARE! Dude, you've got me laughing so hard, I nearly coughed up a lung! You need a nick change! I'm thinking "AKwildkook", or hey, can I call you "GORKY"? (GORK= God Only Relly Knows) Welp, this conversation has exhausted it's possibilities. Have fun, crazy man.. Watching you chew your fingertips to nubs whilst you foam at the mouth has been amusing, just don't kick the family dog in your tirade.     10-7 [Edited to add some more funny shit]
   
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I don't need to prove anything to an impotent little fool like you. Scaring 40 and still and EMT? LMAO. Like I pointed out earler, EMTs that like to call them selves medics are usualy the ones that think they know it all with out ever having gone to school. This would be you. Now, I think I have wasted way too much of my time on a POS like you. NOW SHUT UP AND DRIVE since thats all your good for. |
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Hey, what other job can make you crazy? No I mean crazy, really crazy. Not like a fox either. More like an out of control maniac with poor impulse control. Gosh that was a fun 12 years. And oh yes, they don't call some of them "Paragods" for nothing. "I've come to realize that my job is less about helping people and more about bearing whitness." Joe Connoly, Bringing Out The Dead |
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Hey GORKY! Actually, I'm good for TWO things.. 1. Driving the rig. 2. The other you would have to ask your wife about. Awe, whatsa mattah, Gorky, did I make you cry? Sooooo, get over yourself! Baaa haaa! Cheers!
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Hmm, yup! I'm in my 30s! I feel MUCH younger though and your wife says I boink like a rabid badger. Maybe that's what's responsible for my much enjoyed regression. Ahh, the love of a good woman. Kiss her for me and pat her on the butt, would ya? One question though, why are YOU so buttsore? I never touched ya!
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NorCal, Nah, this is just the foreplay part of the fight. Wait till AK and I get down to IV caths at 10 paces, Needle T jousting and of course, the real down and dirty IV bag flinging. That's if AK gets over being soooo buttsore!
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