[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Warning shots? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/24/2013 10:56:56 AM EDT
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Following advise from the local DA and recent case law it appears after a decades long prohibition on warning shots we are again going to authorize their use both as a warning prior to deadly force or as a method of summoning aid.
Anyone else moving in this direction? |
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Warning shots are mostly Hollywood stupidity, and a really dumb idea. I agree. Unfortunately I do not write policy. I think this change stems from a recent appeals court ruling in which the court ruled that police must issue a warning prior to using significant force unless the circumstances do not allow it. "Stop or i'll shoot" would seem to cover that as well as a bullet in the ground IMO. |
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Following advise from the local DA and recent case law it appears after a decades long prohibition on warning shots we are again going to authorize their use both as a warning prior to deadly force or as a method of summoning aid. Anyone else moving in this direction? And what DA has authorized this? State? County? I would be very surprised if any DA would give their blessing to fire a warning shot... |
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Warning shots have a place in places like Iraq and Afghanistan. IMO they have no business in the US. I could see Coast Guard ships using warning shots but not in US cities.
There are acceptable levels of collateral damage when working in foreign countries. There is no acceptable collateral damage in LE in the US. It'll be interesting to see where this goes. I could see liberals espousing warning shots because they can't handle the concept of shooting a person....and personal injury lawyers would like them too when they start filing lawsuits over the collateral damage resulting from their use. |
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What case law?
Warning shots are definitely a no-go in any department that I am familiar with. Where are you aiming for the warning shot? What happens when the warning shot deflects and hits an innocent or causes damage? I have copies of incidents where one officer would trip and fall, accidentally discharging his weapon, causing his back up to fire. The end result was a bad shoot. I'm surprised an DA would even hint that warning shots are okay. |
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Following advise from the local DA and recent case law it appears after a decades long prohibition on warning shots we are again going to authorize their use both as a warning prior to deadly force or as a method of summoning aid. Anyone else moving in this direction? All first shots are warning shots. It warns bad guy #2, 3, 4, ect ect ect that I am serious. Kinda sucks to be bad guy #1, But something has to responsible to be a bullet sponge, We cant just have bullets flying around unaccounted for can we? |
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Quoted: Following advise from the local DA and recent case law it appears after a decades long prohibition on warning shots we are again going to authorize their use both as a warning prior to deadly force or as a method of summoning aid. Anyone else moving in this direction? Nope! Your DA must be an idiot! Rounds have to go somewhere, as you know. |
| I put 'used to be allowed, now banned'. From talking to the old timers, it seems in the early 70's pretty much anything went around here. There's even a well known story of a guy shooting a suspect who was in the holding cell, shot him in the ass and left him for the weekend. Try that shit now. |
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Years before my time we had a policy of no warning shots. Then a Deputy working out in the rural part of the county found himself outnumbered and getting surrounded by some backwoods scroat bags. He fired into the ground and basically said the next were gonna be at them. It did the job and policy was rewritten to reflect that although warning shots are strongly discouraged, there may come a time where they are the best option and are therefore allowed.
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Warning shots are illegal here, except for correctional officers ( tower guards I assume  )What dept is that? Here in DE, us correctional officers are not authorized warning shots. We are cleared to shoot to stop the threat/escape, but warning shots are verboten. |
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Articulation is key....I find no use, nor agree with warning shots....IMHO if you have enough articulation to fire the warning shot, you should have enough articulation to triple tap...(especially when you start talking about urban core areas)
That said...the majority of departments in the south's policy is, no warning shots...as far as identifying yourself...if it is reasonably prudent to issue a verbal warning such as "stop or I will shoot"etc. and that verbalization will not place additional danger on that officers life than it can be used....but that a verbalization is not required to employ deadly force. Warning shots just open a department up for future litigation and bad publicity if things go bad... |
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Oregon DOC-they are allowed as a least preferred method to warn the inmates. Inside the facilities only into the sand traps. Out in the public absolutely not. Per DOC Policy and Oregon Revised Statutes. Sand traps? Designated bullet catching areas for that purpose? |
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Warning shots are illegal here, except for correctional officers ( tower guards I assume )What dept is that? Here in DE, us correctional officers are not authorized warning shots. We are cleared to shoot to stop the threat/escape, but warning shots are verboten. Minnesota. |
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Oregon DOC-they are allowed as a least preferred method to warn the inmates. Inside the facilities only into the sand traps. Out in the public absolutely not. Per DOC Policy and Oregon Revised Statutes. Sand traps? Designated bullet catching areas for that purpose? I should have been a little more detailed. Sand traps that are for that purpose (black top below) or into the grassy areas below the towers |
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I put 'used to be allowed, now banned'. From talking to the old timers, it seems in the early 70's pretty much anything went around here. There's even a well known story of a guy shooting a suspect who was in the holding cell, shot him in the ass and left him for the weekend. Try that shit now. One of our now-retired sgts back in that time frame chased an escaping prisoner down a street outside our old offices when we were in the heart of the county seat, shooting at him repeatedly...never hit the guy once. Wonder where all those rounds went. Try that nowadays |
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I was in Brazil and the cops were going to town with the batons on some poor fellow, I was watching from a cafe when a crowd of people surrounded the cops yelling "Hey.hey....as the cops were going to town on this guy the crowd got huge, I mean huge. I heard gunshots maybe 5-6 by the last gunshot the crowd was gone, me searching for anything concrete. The cop used warning shots as crowd control, quick crowd control.
Warning shots are mostly Hollywood stupidity, and a really dumb idea. |
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I put 'used to be allowed, now banned'. From talking to the old timers, it seems in the early 70's pretty much anything went around here. There's even a well known story of a guy shooting a suspect who was in the holding cell, shot him in the ass and left him for the weekend. Try that shit now. One of our now-retired sgts back in that time frame chased an escaping prisoner down a street outside our old offices when we were in the heart of the county seat, shooting at him repeatedly...never hit the guy once. Wonder where all those rounds went. Try that nowadays Cop I worked with emptied 3 mags at a guy he was chasing down a six lane major roadway in Brooklyn. Can't believe he didn't get in trouble for that one. |
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Cop I worked with emptied 3 mags at a guy he was chasing down a six lane major roadway in Brooklyn. Can't believe he didn't get in trouble for that one.
It's all about articulation  either that or he's one of the protected. There's a few of "those" at my place. i.e. shooting at a moving vehicle for m/v violation only or emptying a 15rd mag in residential neighborhood where houses are on top of each other and missed.
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Warning shots are mostly Hollywood stupidity, and a really dumb idea. +1 it opens a officer up for liability as well. If a warning shot is fired you have no idea where the bullet is going. Also, if a warning shot is able to be fired the officer must not have thought his or her life was in immediate danger. We had one constable do this 'warning shot' and it was not pretty how they reamed him a new A**hole. |
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I put 'used to be allowed, now banned'. From talking to the old timers, it seems in the early 70's pretty much anything went around here. There's even a well known story of a guy shooting a suspect who was in the holding cell, shot him in the ass and left him for the weekend. Try that shit now. One of our now-retired sgts back in that time frame chased an escaping prisoner down a street outside our old offices when we were in the heart of the county seat, shooting at him repeatedly...never hit the guy once. Wonder where all those rounds went. Try that nowadays Cop I worked with emptied 3 mags at a guy he was chasing down a six lane major roadway in Brooklyn. Can't believe he didn't get in trouble for that one. NYPD most likely sent him back to training. In the 90's they had a case where two rookies fired 42 times at a suspect and made contact 4 times at a distance of 10-15 yards. They recycled them in the academy |
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NYPD most likely sent him back to training. In the 90's they had a case where two rookies fired 42 times at a suspect and made contact 4 times at a distance of 10-15 yards. They recycled them in the academy I am continuously amazed at Extorris' reports of NYPDs training program or lack thereof. Maybe its long over-due for NYPD to take a neutral look at the equipment they issue and their training program. |
| Question was, were they always banned, go back in time far enough and many department allowed them, by far enough the mid 70's, back when choke holds were taught and allowed, saps were common, no vests, low ban radios you get the idea. Different time and mind set. Now not saying they were a good idea and the end was coming for this practice even then. |
| I would like to know the DA's opinion on what situation would be possibly improved by shooting your gun into the air or the ground? If you feel you need to use justified deadly force, then we should be able to use it without hesitation. These types of cases only make it much more dangerous for the cops, where milliseconds matter. |