Posted: 2/7/2011 2:18:54 PM EDT
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I have to take the polygraph test on Wednesday assuming everything goes well with the board interview tomorrow. I was wondering what to expect, I tried to disclose anything I could think of since I have already had a full background check and have my secret security clearance. Whats bugging me now is I have filled out the first set of paper work and turned it in looking at the 2nd set and starting to think I wasn't as in-depth as I should of been on first one. PD already stated if anythings different that its a most likely be a no-go and if you fail the Polygraph it is a no-go and can never retake it.
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Cheif P. J.: "Have you ever done anything you wouldn't want to tell your parents about?'
Me: "Yes" Cheif P. J.:"No, have you ever done anything you wounldn't want to tell your parents about, as adults when you're much older?" Me:   "No?"
Cheif P. J.: "Next question..." |
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question on this, hopefully no one gets the wrong impression, i have nothing to hide or lie about, what happens if you simply dont recall doing something in ur past, im talking minor things, nothing major, but if u cant recall lets say for example, stealing a candy bar when you are 5, and they ask you have you ever stolen a candy bar, you reply no, does the machine record that you are not being truthful?
ps...i also have one p. test coming up, just wondering how it works |
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They are going to be looking for discrepancies between what you've already told them, what you tell them on the detailed questionnaire, and what you tell them when they break you during/after the poly.
Hopefully you were truthful on your original application. They're going to be looking for changes in the types and amounts of drugs you've used, things you've stolen, crimes you've committed, sexual acts you have been involved in, etc. Don't worry about things you may have forgotten - if they don't weigh on your conscience, they won't bother you and cause a reaction. I won't give you any "inside information" about how the box or the poly operator work, but google is your friend if you choose that route. Using countermeasures is a bad strategy, but that's totally on you. I will give you just one invaluable tip: If you have told the truth - and I mean THE TRUTH - after you are strapped in, don't let the poly operator get you to change your story one bit. |
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Examiner - "Have you ever had sex with an animal?" Me - "Does my ex-wife count?" Machine - "Whirrrrrbbzzzzzzzhmmmmmmmm" Really? They ask questions like that? I've talked to some people who sounded like real weirdos..........terrible to think now they were honest. ____________________________________________________ ("Running Creek, your years spend in the great cities of the east have turned you into a real weirdo!"––White Cloud after her fiance, Max in disguise, kisses her elbow in ritual foreplay, (w,stte), Get Smart "Washington 4, Indians 3") |
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Enjoy your interrogation; that is what it is. You have an appointment with an interrogator and magic ju-ju box to distract you. You already got the correct advise though. This. It's about as scientific as a divining rod or chicken bones telling the future. Yeah, people sweat and their heart rate increases when they lie. No shit, Sherlock, you went to a 3 week school to tell me that? The polygraph exists to help create self-induced stress in the person being interrogated. It is only somewhat useful as part of an overall interview/interrogation regarding a specific set of events in a directed timeline. Its use for preemployment purposes is less than well-respected, even by seasoned polygraphers. |
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question on this, hopefully no one gets the wrong impression, i have nothing to hide or lie about, what happens if you simply dont recall doing something in ur past, im talking minor things, nothing major, but if u cant recall lets say for example, stealing a candy bar when you are 5, and they ask you have you ever stolen a candy bar, you reply no, does the machine record that you are not being truthful? ps...i also have one p. test coming up, just wondering how it works The polygraph measures REACTIONS TO STRESS. There's no way it can detect stuff about your past that you don't actively remember. HOWEVER There IS a reason that polygraph results cannot be admitted into court (in most cases). After you are done with your test, get the book "A Tremor In The Blood." |
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If you don't lie you've got no problem. Not true for me. Kept hitting on "Have you ever sold drugs". "Nope." The tester kept coming back to it, said it was showing I was being less than truthful. and every time it got worse. I have never sold drugs. It was a horrible experience for me. the tester and I joke about it now, but it almost kept me out of the academy. There is a reason they are not admissible in court. |
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Just tell the truth no matter what. It's your integrity on the line is what they are testing............everyone has skeletons..............unless of course you've done some seriously criminal shit then you are done anyway. Haven't seen some of our guys down here have you? 
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Just tell the truth no matter what. It's your integrity on the line is what they are testing............everyone has skeletons..............unless of course you've done some seriously criminal shit then you are done anyway. Haven't seen some of our guys down here have you?
Not in while.........the ones I have met were really decent guys..........but then again that was only 3 or 4 and there are like 35,000.... 
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Be glad you don't have an interesting history like mine. Between the various things I've done for various people and a rather strict personal interpretation of whether it occurred or not, it might just be easier to say "yes" and explain after wards. Or not bother at all with being an officer again and just being satisfied in research.
For example, "Have you ever smuggled?"..............twice, once by bringing a dirty mag back from a USN deployment...........and I knew of things that essentially involved the diplomatic bag. Or, "Have you ever B&E?"...............Probably.........but under orders from a Captain or a General. The catch is that while those questions are like the ones about illicit drugs, that if done under official duties then it isn't illicit, that unless something is specifically said or stated not to include military affairs, my conscience is rigged not to read into the question and to respond......when precisely questioned. When not precisely questioned, then the field is wide opened and things that can appear as lies to many....aren't.....or at least, aren't necessarily. Ie, my birth date on the Net is often rounded down or rounded up to the month and decade for personal security reasons. Is that, in fact, a lie? No......because I'm using an integer counting method at that point. "Ceiling" and "Floor" functions, but essentially, with integers, where the month is the integer, there are no in between numbers. I know that isn't necessarily clear but I don't see a reason to go into what ceiling and floor functions are. Plus, there is another complication with me. My style of acting is to mentally build a scenario with limits, rules, and the associated feelings that I can perform the part in. When used, it enables me to keep going in a part regardless of what happens because "You are there". When not in use, it is something of a memory. It derives in part from how interrogators try to take apart someone's story. To go back again and again from different angles to find the flaws in a memorized story as oppose to an experienced memory.........and I'm building that experienced memory even if it didn't really happen. With those memories in place, "I can lie with conviction". Of course, I know what's real and what's not.......but I have to wonder, hooked up to the machine, what would the body reveal? Oh, it's terrible coming from a spy background, being so ruthless, so potentially dishonest....................but I like it. _________________________________________________________ ("Put him on the next flight home.........,"––KGB General Pushkin about General Koskov, the latter smiling, thinking his deception has worked, "...........in the diplomatic bag!", (w,stte), "The Living Daylights") |
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Be glad you don't have an interesting history like mine. Between the various things I've done for various people and a rather strict personal interpretation of whether it occurred or not, it might just be easier to say "yes" and explain after wards. Or not bother at all with being an officer again and just being satisfied in research. For example, "Have you ever smuggled?"..............twice, once by bringing a dirty mag back from a USN deployment...........and I knew of things that essentially involved the diplomatic bag. Or, "Have you ever B&E?"...............Probably.........but under orders from a Captain or a General. The catch is that while those questions are like the ones about illicit drugs, that if done under official duties then it isn't illicit, that unless something is specifically said or stated not to include military affairs, my conscience is rigged not to read into the question and to respond......when precisely questioned. When not precisely questioned, then the field is wide opened and things that can appear as lies to many....aren't.....or at least, aren't necessarily. Ie, my birth date on the Net is often rounded down or rounded up to the month and decade for personal security reasons. Is that, in fact, a lie? No......because I'm using an integer counting method at that point. "Ceiling" and "Floor" functions, but essentially, with integers, where the month is the integer, there are no in between numbers. I know that isn't necessarily clear but I don't see a reason to go into what ceiling and floor functions are. Plus, there is another complication with me. My style of acting is to mentally build a scenario with limits, rules, and the associated feelings that I can perform the part in. When used, it enables me to keep going in a part regardless of what happens because "You are there". When not in use, it is something of a memory. It derives in part from how interrogators try to take apart someone's story. To go back again and again from different angles to find the flaws in a memorized story as oppose to an experienced memory.........and I'm building that experienced memory even if it didn't really happen. With those memories in place, "I can lie with conviction". Of course, I know what's real and what's not.......but I have to wonder, hooked up to the machine, what would the body reveal? Oh, it's terrible coming from a spy background, being so ruthless, so potentially dishonest....................but I like it. _________________________________________________________ ("Put him on the next flight home.........,"––KGB General Pushkin about General Koskov, the latter smiling, thinking his deception has worked, "...........in the diplomatic bag!", (w,stte), "The Living Daylights") 
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Tell the truth. If it's a professional agency they will ask professional questions.... BTW, with proper training, the polygraph can be defeated, I know this first hand. The polygraph is not fool proof............ I am not a polygraph operator but am a CVSA operator. The #1 issue with lie detection is the skill of the operator and question formulation. Many cops bash the lie detection process because no one likes to bare their soul to the examiner. The machines work IF the operator knows what he/she is doing. A crappy operator is easy to beat. A good operator is VERY hard to beat. Don't try to beat it. Just tell the truth. |