[ARCHIVED THREAD] - On the Job...Pie (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 8/12/2010 9:28:33 PM EDT
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I recently participated in a conversation about engaging in sex acts while an officer was on the clock. I don't remember the exact instance that brought the topic on, but two sides quickly developed. My position was that it should not be a problem as long as the officer is taking an approved break. We are allowed 45 minutes to eat, as call volume provides, of course, but during that time or any other where you've put yourself out of service you are subject to emergency calls. We all understand this, and no one suggested an officer wouldn't respond to a felony in progress, officer in trouble, or injury crash just to finish a meal.
Similarly, you place yourself out of service to take a dump. We have an internal code for it, but it lets your shift know you're sans trou and gun belt for a bit, and your response could be delayed. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's left meals on the table or pinched off a dook prematurely because an emergency arose. Partaking of pie while on duty could take several forms. I could see boning someone else's wife as conduct unbecoming. I could see being caught in a public place the same way, and didn't argue with the sergeant when he said he'd punish any of his officers caught fornicating on duty under that vague policy. I disagreed with him in that going home on your lunch break, or to your girlfriend's house, to knock out a nooner wouldn't delay you any more than sitting down to eat or taking a dump. Hell, you could go home and spank it without taking your uniform off, and if you were on this particular sergeant's shift you'd still be on the couch for a few days or fired. By the way, our policy does not expressly prohibit sexual activity on the job. Other than saying you have to get your meal break approved by your boss, it doesn't specify what you can and can't do with that time. Any supervisors care to chime in? I'm sure his supervisory role had some effect on his view, so I can't say I didn't appreciate his position as a sergeant having to look at the issue. Edited for spelling. |
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Ohhhh, A, B, C, and D
A: On one side of the coin, Cold War Navy wise, there is the point of whether or not they were approved to be off station. If they were approved, should it matter what they were doing if they were ready to instantly come back into service? B: Well, it can. One of the things that got passed my direction was a sailor's opinion about noon time allotments for PT/recreation. Her view was that if the Navy was going to give her 45 extra minutes at lunch, then she would take it catching a nap in the BEQ. As the retired CDR who passed me the story put it, "These kids don't realize that when the Navy gives you time for something, you use it for that and only that!" (or words to that effect) C: But then we come back to another side of the coin and that is: THE HARDER YOU LET THEM PLAY, THE HARDER THEY WILL FIGHT. D: So where might that leave us? Treat them like adults, don't regulate too far, don't go too much into their personal lives, but let it be known that if it does come to your attention, then you will have to take action and there will probably be hell to pay. Oh, and by the by, sort of had something like that once where a boy and girl sailor snuck into my office at night and boinked on my desk. Officially, told the Chief we couldn't have that going on.......personally, was rather amused by it. _______________________________________________________________ (After a CA Hwy patrol climaxes before his date does.....as heard on Blue Thunder's sensors, "Sounds like ole "Double Dork" is missing a beat or two."––Murphy, (w,stte), "Blue Thunder") |
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I recently participated in a conversation about engaging in sex acts while an officer was on the clock. ... . My officers are paid while on break and are still subject to call. If I ever catch one having sex while getting tax dollars they will be fired. When I hire a new officer I take them for a ride with me around town and give them my "this is what I expect of you" speech. Part of that speech is telling them about how many thousands of officers have lost their badge because of the opposite sex. Every officer that works for me knows that having sex while on duty (or even trying to pick someone up) is the 2nd fastest way to get fired from my department. |
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I'm completely hornswoggled that anybody can temporize this as being an accepted, legitimate activity while "on the clock" as anything, much less a police officer.
And I'm sorry, but the stuff about taking a dump being just as out of service as getting laid... 
I gotta wonder this: if you were getting naked with someone while on the clock, how good would you feel after hearing a 999 put out? |
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I'm completely hornswoggled that anybody can temporize this as being an accepted, legitimate activity while "on the clock" as anything, much less a police officer. And I'm sorry, but the stuff about taking a dump being just as out of service as getting laid...
I gotta wonder this: if you were getting naked with someone while on the clock, how good would you feel after hearing a 999 put out? What's a 999? Mechanics of getting laid could actually be less entangling than making poo. I think you could easily have sex without removing any uniform items at all. So far, I haven't devised a way to leave a crap without removing the gun belt, but when I do I can probably quit the day job. 
For the record, this is not something I have done. I was playing devil's advocate to the sergeant's point of view because I enjoy messing with him. 
I think this is the first time I have seen an ARFcom poster use the word hornswoggled; we need more use of words like these! It makes younger people use the dictionary! |
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I don't know any body who would stand behind an officer who got caught "getting his/hers" while they were on duty.... and talk about a major black eye for your agency, and police officers in general, if the public found out. That's not even considering how id feel if the call came over the net for an officer in distress and I had my pants around my ankles.
Out of service making a head call is inevitable, Out of service because you can't maintain professionalism through an entire shift is unacceptable. ETA: Just my opinion. The severity of this type of situation could be gauged by many different factors I guess(ie is this a major city, are you someones only cover unit or are you not even needed, are you even on the road or riding a desk, ect.) |
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I'm completely hornswoggled that anybody can temporize this as being an accepted, legitimate activity while "on the clock" as anything, much less a police officer. And I'm sorry, but the stuff about taking a dump being just as out of service as getting laid...
I gotta wonder this: if you were getting naked with someone while on the clock, how good would you feel after hearing a 999 put out? What's a 999? Mechanics of getting laid could actually be less entangling than making poo. I think you could easily have sex without removing any uniform items at all. So far, I haven't devised a way to leave a crap without removing the gun belt, but when I do I can probably quit the day job.
For the record, this is not something I have done. I was playing devil's advocate to the sergeant's point of view because I enjoy messing with him.
I think this is the first time I have seen an ARFcom poster use the word hornswoggled; we need more use of words like these! It makes younger people use the dictionary! Just guessing, but that's probably their "officer needs assistance RFN!' code. We didn't use three digits... it was just a "99." |
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Quoted:............ I think you could easily have sex without removing any uniform items at all. So far, I haven't devised a way to leave a crap without removing the gun belt, but when I do I can probably quit the day job.
.........!Well, two things. First of all, to me, you're talking like a hooker. Now, that's not meant to be an insult, just an observation of the rapid off and on of clothes to have sex. That is, in the 80's when I learned of such things, if I were to dress as a "working girl", it would be a wrap skirt and a zippered or wrap top. Easy off, easy on. Secondly, this is at least one advantage of a shoulder holster: one can be on the can without being disarmed (understanding that for patrol, there is more than just the gun). ____________________________________________________________ (The young man asked the hooker with the beautiful hair how much. "Twenty dollars standing up, 100 dollars lying down." When he inquired to why the difference, she replied, "The Latter involves the trip afterwards to the beauty shoppe.", (w,stte), joke, "Playboy") |
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I was pretty sure the majority would frown on the subject, but at least there's been no bashing. A well-mannered and light hearted discourse was what I was after, as sleep eludes me tonight.
I called a buddy and asked him to remind me of the situation that started our conversation. To the best of his recollection: An officer was at the girlfriend's house, banging it out. The other girlfriend happens to drive by, recognizes the car number, and proceeds to confront the officer as he's leaving. Nothing physical, he'd just been caught running around, and they had a shouting match in the street. Later, she decides he hasn't had enough and goes to the chief with the story. In the end, no discipline was handed down, much like the other times he's had to stand in front of the man. I'm sure some of you have had the displeasure of working with the dude with the teflon badge. I wasn't trying to defend what he did, but I couldn't resist arguing the point with the sergeant.
Thanks for the replies, gentlemen. |
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The badge will get you pussy, but the pussy will get your badge. Don't mix business & pleasure  An applicable phrase in this instance, but change the relationship to a married couple or current GF/BF. You go home and have a nooner with your own wife instead of eating a sandwich. You're not boning some chick in exchange for getting out of a DUI or taking advantage of a battered woman or drunk college girl. It happens behind closed doors, with full consent. How your boss would know you hunched over your wife/GF is beyond me, but would it change things at all? In the above scenario, the bonking was discovered by the other woman and without her whistleblowing would never have been found out. |
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The badge will get you pussy, but the pussy will get your badge. Don't mix business & pleasure An applicable phrase in this instance, but change the relationship to a married couple or current GF/BF. You go home and have a nooner with your own wife instead of eating a sandwich. You're not boning some chick in exchange for getting out of a DUI or taking advantage of a battered woman or drunk college girl. It happens behind closed doors, with full consent. How your boss would know you hunched over your wife/GF is beyond me, but would it change things at all? In the above scenario, the bonking was discovered by the other woman and without her whistleblowing would never have been found out. While I understand what you are saying if it goes public it will look bad on the department. Private sector is not the same as working in the public sector. |
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The badge will get you pussy, but the pussy will get your badge. Don't mix business & pleasure An applicable phrase in this instance, but change the relationship to a married couple or current GF/BF. You go home and have a nooner with your own wife instead of eating a sandwich. You're not boning some chick in exchange for getting out of a DUI or taking advantage of a battered woman or drunk college girl. It happens behind closed doors, with full consent. How your boss would know you hunched over your wife/GF is beyond me, but would it change things at all? In the above scenario, the bonking was discovered by the other woman and without her whistleblowing would never have been found out. While I understand what you are saying if it goes public it will look bad on the department. Private sector is not the same as working in the public sector. Most definitely, and that point has to be considered when judging all our actions. Thanks for the level replies, guys. It's why I posted it here instead of GD. 
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Quoted: Quoted: The badge will get you pussy, but the pussy will get your badge. Don't mix business & pleasure An applicable phrase in this instance, but change the relationship to a married couple or current GF/BF. You go home and have a nooner with your own wife instead of eating a sandwich. You're not boning some chick in exchange for getting out of a DUI or taking advantage of a battered woman or drunk college girl. It happens behind closed doors, with full consent. How your boss would know you hunched over your wife/GF is beyond me, but would it change things at all? In the above scenario, the bonking was discovered by the other woman and without her whistleblowing would never have been found out. Just because you won't get caught doesn't mean it's acceptable behavior for an LEO. Put me solidly in the "no booty on duty" camp. |
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Quoted: When I hire a new officer I take them for a ride with me around town and give them my "this is what I expect of you" speech. Part of that speech is telling them about how many thousands of officers have lost their badge because of the opposite sex. Every officer that works for me knows that having sex while on duty (or even trying to pick someone up) is the 2nd fastest way to get fired from my department. "That badge will get you p*ssy, but p*ssy can take that badge" is how I remember it... ETA - beat by Infiltrator.  As for the fire side, I can neither confirm nor deny having overheard allegations of sexual relations on duty... whether Clintonesqe or otherwise. Of course, having beds in the station might have facilitated some of that. The official unofficial policy would probably get you a day's suspension furlough at least. |
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I'm completely hornswoggled that anybody can temporize this as being an accepted, legitimate activity while "on the clock" as anything, much less a police officer. And I'm sorry, but the stuff about taking a dump being just as out of service as getting laid...
I gotta wonder this: if you were getting naked with someone while on the clock, how good would you feel after hearing a 999 put out? What's a 999? Mechanics of getting laid could actually be less entangling than making poo. I think you could easily have sex without removing any uniform items at all. So far, I haven't devised a way to leave a crap without removing the gun belt, but when I do I can probably quit the day job.
For the record, this is not something I have done. I was playing devil's advocate to the sergeant's point of view because I enjoy messing with him.
I think this is the first time I have seen an ARFcom poster use the word hornswoggled; we need more use of words like these! It makes younger people use the dictionary! No we dont, if we dont know what the word is, we guess |
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Really? Really? Really?!? This is quite honestly, one of the stupidest lines of reasoning I have ever heard. While you are on the clock, you are paid to respond to calls. Equating getting laid with taking a dumb is a false analogy as going to the bathroom is a bodily function that is necessary while laying pipe is something that can wait until you are off duty. It is a completely inappropriate activity to take part of in any kind of work environment. PERIOD. Would you be ok with your child's teacher getting laid in the teacher's lounge during her lunch break? As emergency personnel we are not guaranteed a real break, because SHTF may happen and we are expected to saddle up and roll if it does. Taking a lunch break at home, you are still on duty, and while you may never get caught, still an unwise choice IMHO. Also a PR nightmare if the public ever finds out that cops are getting laid on the clock. |
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I'm completely hornswoggled that anybody can temporize this as being an accepted, legitimate activity while "on the clock" as anything, much less a police officer. And I'm sorry, but the stuff about taking a dump being just as out of service as getting laid...
I gotta wonder this: if you were getting naked with someone while on the clock, how good would you feel after hearing a 999 put out? What's a 999? Mechanics of getting laid could actually be less entangling than making poo. I think you could easily have sex without removing any uniform items at all. So far, I haven't devised a way to leave a crap without removing the gun belt, but when I do I can probably quit the day job.
For the record, this is not something I have done. I was playing devil's advocate to the sergeant's point of view because I enjoy messing with him.
I think this is the first time I have seen an ARFcom poster use the word hornswoggled; we need more use of words like these! It makes younger people use the dictionary! No we dont, if we dont know what the word is, we guess For clarification. A 999 is (in CA speak) a SHTF, everybody-dressed-like-me-needs-to-get-here-RTF-now. Usually in concert with rounds either incoming or outgoing. Hornswoggled is when one person becomes bumfuddled by another, but with specific and malevolent intent to obfuscate or delucidate (which as our semantically equipped members know, is the opposite of elucidate). Disclaimer: while I have personally heard or used each of these words used in context, I also know at least half of them exist in no English dictionary with which I'm familiar. That's never stopped me, though. In our next edition, we'll discuss why those of us working in depressed urban areas should start using "entitlementarianism" as euphemism for "ghetto life". 
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its called storing comp hours...you need some ass that bad, use some comp hours at the end of the night or something and head home... booty isnt worth the badge Thank you. One of my good patrol Sergeants insisted any of us could call him and ask for some comp time/vacation (unless we had shots fired, etc. at hand) RIGHT THEN and he would approve it, but only so often. His sole condition was to be provided with a Polaroid of the two-legged reason for such an emergency; should he find it valid, nothing more would be said and you were gtg. Should he find it NOT a valid reason, he would share the pic with everybody else on the shift. To my knowledge, this was rarely asked/given, and no pics were found invalid. |
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its called storing comp hours...you need some ass that bad, use some comp hours at the end of the night or something and head home... booty isnt worth the badge Thank you. One of my good patrol Sergeants insisted any of us could call him and ask for some comp time/vacation (unless we had shots fired, etc. at hand) RIGHT THEN and he would approve it, but only so often. His sole condition was to be provided with a Polaroid of the two-legged reason for such an emergency; should he find it valid, nothing more would be said and you were gtg. Should he find it NOT a valid reason, he would share the pic with everybody else on the shift. To my knowledge, this was rarely asked/given, and no pics were found invalid. Hahaha....Never met the man, but I sure like his style. And for the record, assuming the OP is referring to a wife or serious GF (and at home), put me in the who cares camp. |
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Ok, let me chime in as I am probably the only officer on here that has been accused of such a thing on duty. I have been accused TWICE of having sex on the clock since I've been at this department.
The first time I was accused of said conduct was during the academy. An unknown number of students went before the academy director telling them that I was having "relations" during our breaks (15 minute breaks mind you) IN THE HALLWAY. They called my department's training LT and her department's Chief over the matter but never once asked us if it was happening. We were ordered by our respective departments to have no physical contact during the remainder of the academy or face termination. Might I also add that while I was in the academy, I got bit by a black widow and ended up unconscious in the ER after training that day, and had the female officer (recruit) and another male officer (recruit) not been at my place studying, there is no telling what would've happened. My Dept Sgt ended up at the ER b/c it was work related, and saw her there, so that was also brought up in the meeting as well. I will say this to clarify. The female officer in question worked for a seperate agency initially, and I had a study group with her and another male officer every day after the academy that usually ended up with there being 5 or 6 recruits instead of just us 3. (It was later found out that the recruit that initiated the complaint did so because she rejected him, so he started the rumors that we were screwing between classes, as immature a reason as I have ever seen to try to get back at someone...) 
The second time was several weeks after I got cut loose from PTO, and the accusation was against me and the same female from the academy (who had since been hired by my agency). Her and I went to lunch with another male officer at a Hospital a couple times a week, as the hospital was the borderline between our areas and actually had delicious (and free) food for police. The other male officer went and filed a complaint stating that he never went to lunch with us, and that we were "relating" during our meal breaks. Same situation, she refused him, so he accused us. Instead of being questioned, they seperated our beat areas and restricted our movements, even though everything involved in the accusations could have been verified by the GPS in our cars, including the third officer being with us. I have never (read NEVER) had sex while on the clock, nor would I ever consider it. It is completely embarassing to be accused TWICE of wrongdoing when there has been nothing of the sort. And that shit is in my file now, even though in both cases it could be proved otherwise. If you seriously think that it's ok because it is not prohibited in your policy, you are severely mistaken. Personally, you should have better ethics/morals than to spend your work time screwing around. For those of you that think it's ok, keep thinking that until you go through what I've been through, and then you'll understand. |
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We have no break. You grab a bite to eat as you are able, but if a call comes in, the food goes in the trash and you're out the door.
Given that, I can't see where getting laid on the clock would fly. Back in the old days it was known to happen on overnights, but that was 25+ years ago. Today....never. |
| Do not do it. Had a friend who thought it would be good to go while on break. He would go to his girlfriends or whatever she was house and knock off a piece. well it back fired on him. A urgent call came in and he had his radio off. needless to say he was let go because he was not thinking properly. Do not do anything while you are on duty that can screw up your career. The public has a hard enough time trusting the police. Once you break that trust your career is over. |
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Since I am no longer in uniformed LE, I'll comment here. I always lived in or very close to my assigned district so I could take my dinner breaks at the X10  Your screen name makes this post incredibly appropriate, even though I disagree. That's what I like about BOTS. Classier posting! I'm surprised this thread is still alive. 
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Heh, when I was working EMS we could have pie, all we wanted, on duty. Just don't take longer than 10 min to get to the station...and not while someone else was sleeping in the same room. Then again, we were volunteer so it wasn't that big of a deal.
ETA: This by no means I did get pie on duty. Alas, I was single for that length of time. |
