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5/31/2010 9:45:25 AM EDT
Did LAPD really treat the surviving officer in that manner?

I know you never give up your weapon but like the senior cop said, you dont second guess the cop in the field.

So what was the training video that LAPD put out in reaction to the situation.

During the scene my first instinct was shoot the hostage taker than put rounds into his partner, but thats me being a armchair commando
5/31/2010 12:13:14 PM EDT
[#1]
Like what? Having him stand in front of squads at roll call and relive the incident over and over...saying how he had made a terrible mistake in allowing himself to be disarmed in spite of the fact that LAPD had done almost no training with officers on such subjects at that time? Yes...he died at age 59. Probably as much from embarassment, shame and a broken spirit as anything else. But he did get to do one program for Caliber Press before he died, and his words there were his own. I hsve no doubt he was haunted till the day he died over that incident.

Yes, LAPD supposedly did a training video, but I have never seen it, being on the other end of the country. I did see interviews with Pierce Brooks...the main investigator of the crims, and his information is well known.

I wasn't there...I defer to the men who were. May they rest in peace.
5/31/2010 12:43:51 PM EDT
[#2]
The book paints an even worse picture. At the time, as far as I know, Law Enforcement hadn't really considered PTSD to be an issue.
5/31/2010 7:22:46 PM EDT
[#3]
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The book paints an even worse picture. At the time, as far as I know, Law Enforcement hadn't really considered PTSD to be an issue.


Some still don't. Ask for help dealing with PTSD here and your career is ruined.
5/31/2010 9:00:13 PM EDT
[#4]
According to Wambaugh he was subjected to a great deal of humiliation.
5/31/2010 9:51:16 PM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
Like what? Having him stand in front of squads at roll call and relive the incident over and over...saying how he had made a terrible mistake in allowing himself to be disarmed in spite of the fact that LAPD had done almost no training with officers on such subjects at that time? Yes...he died at age 59. Probably as much from embarassment, shame and a broken spirit as anything else. But he did get to do one program for Caliber Press before he died, and his words there were his own. I hsve no doubt he was haunted till the day he died over that incident.

Yes, LAPD supposedly did a training video, but I have never seen it, being on the other end of the country. I did see interviews with Pierce Brooks...the main investigator of the crims, and his information is well known.

I wasn't there...I defer to the men who were. May they rest in peace.


Can you imagine? My God....
5/31/2010 10:51:01 PM EDT
[#6]
Cliff notes version? Roy Schieder?
6/1/2010 10:45:38 AM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
Cliff notes version? Roy Schieder?


Hettinger was basicly made to relive the incident by speaking to roll calls about how according to LAPD had screwed up by giving up his duty weapon. Eventually it appears to have really screwed him up.
6/1/2010 8:48:25 PM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
Did LAPD really treat the surviving officer in that manner?

I know you never give up your weapon but like the senior cop said, you dont second guess the cop in the field.

So what was the training video that LAPD put out in reaction to the situation.

During the scene my first instinct was shoot the hostage taker than put rounds into his partner, but thats me being a armchair commando


57 years ago there was no such thing as video. If anything, probably a training bulletin, in addition to Hettinger's first hand narative.

Was Hettinger ridiculed and shunned by his peers? By all acounts, yes. Remember that it was a much different time. PTSD didn't exist.

If the events had not unfolded the way they did, if Hettinger had been murdered that night as well, we would not have some of the training that we have today.

6/1/2010 10:43:49 PM EDT
[#9]
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Reenactment of it.....
6/7/2010 11:52:21 AM EDT
[#10]


did they ever do a reenactment of the actual T stop?